Gentleman Jack
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Nothing new about this, it's just the first time in a while an American president has decided it's important that everyone know specifically just how dangerous and deadly brown people are.
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Trump introduces his plan for a Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement-Agency
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Nothing new about this, it's just the first time in a while an American president has decided it's important that everyone know specifically just how dangerous and deadly brown people are.
BinaryPork2737
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In addition to the other responses, I'd like to point out that the go to answer for underwhelming numbers will always be "but these are just the crimes being reported on, there are surely far more crimes that go unreported." This agency will first and foremost lend more visibility to the cycle of confirmation bias already surrounding both legal and illegal immigrant crime rates.
DontBeThatGuy
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Bingo bango. Propaganda 101.
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This is really fucking scary...
It gives you an avenue to shift the blame off of yourself to an 'other' for your woes.
Germany had something similar before WW2.
Unknown Soldier
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I really don't think this is remotely constitutional, but after Trump has packed the Supreme Court with his nominees, it won't matter.
Yoshimitsu126
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It hasn't even been two months yet.
Holy shit
Holy shit
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Don't break the law?
Sorry, I should have said there is no practical reason for this to exist if you are not a Nazi.
Holy shit, are you real?
Explain why we need a federal office specifically for reporting examples of crime commited by immigrants. Explain why we are not doing the same for native citizens.
You're justifying this blatantly unnecessary fear-mongering against people like my father under the justification of "Don't break the law?" Really?
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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This.. It's really messed up thing to do, surely the country has a lot bigger crime and murder issues with its own citizens than a handful of immigrants causing shit...
And the name is even just stupid V.O.I.C.E ..fucking really???
couldn't you reserve the acronym V.O.I.C.E for a committee that maybe helps minorities, people in special needs/care that need their VOICES heard...?
They should've called this S.I.R.E.N or A.L.A.R.M.. as in ring the ALARM when you see an illegal Mexican causing shit, so we can send some troops to shoot him.
Gentleman Jack
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This is the same justification we heard for stop and frisk. Still a heaping pile of manure then and now.
What about the victims who will be discriminated against by people emboldened by this dog whistle bullshit? It singles out a statistically law abiding group for no possible legitimate reason. The actual reason is clear to everyone.
Evening Musuko
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Hell, people are already giving Democrats shit for groaning when he brought it up.
They're going to exploit victims of crimes to push their anti-immigrant agenda.
Meanwhile, the next time a white guy opens fire on people, they'll just give a vaguely worded condemnation about racism or mental illness, whatever's easier, just like he did when he talked about the shooting in Kansas City. See. He said stuff. Now shut up and let me tell you all about the Mexicans killing our citizens.
Frozenprince
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White middle class people commit crimes and break the law at the same rate per capita as immigrants.
Where is that department?
DontBeThatGuy
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That's not the correct answer to propagandistic nonsense that targets specific groups of people. Try again.
Frozenprince
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This is a difficult concept for many to understand but, here we go.
Crime rates are fairly stable across ethnic backgrounds. Lower class/income people commit more crimes per capita than any other group and rates decrease as you climb the ladder of income.
Racial lines is a terrible way to draw crime stats because they are almost uniform across the board on a per capita basis.
Crime rates are fairly stable across ethnic backgrounds. Lower class/income people commit more crimes per capita than any other group and rates decrease as you climb the ladder of income.
Racial lines is a terrible way to draw crime stats because they are almost uniform across the board on a per capita basis.
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To be fair and it is about being fair isn't it. It's called Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement. Immigration crime is not the same as "crime committed by immigrants".
Immigration crime can even include the immigrants as the victims. It can include anything from human trafficking to drug dealing. Anything involving illegal imports to all sorts of things.
I know immigrant is a very triggery word right now but maybe read in context.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Not to mention that this is very clearly going to result in people being hurt/killed in retaliation regardless of what their citizenship status is.
More_Badass
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Wait, he's targeting all immigrants with this, legal and illegal?
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You are right, we have no departments that investigate white people 🙄.
Gentleman Jack
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Trump explicitly framed it as focused on crimes committed by immigrants. Full stop. You're inventing positions he has never once taken and did not once mention tonight.
Frozenprince
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Wherein his statement did that come out? There are already federal agencies to bulwark against human trafficking and drug dealing.
What, specific purpose does this proposed agency do, and what, from what Donald Trump said in his own words, did you find to take away that this is to protect immigrants?
What is the white people commit crimes engagement agency?
BrutishMrFish
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In context, Trump talked exclusively about people who were victims of illegal immigrants.
He has said absolutely nothing about supporting immigrants, ever.
Try again.
DontBeThatGuy
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Context does matter, and perhaps knowing who's coming up with this shit, and what they're about should actually tell you everything you need to know.
This is propaganda designed to drum up support for harsher policies.
Frozenprince
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If you'd care to name some that are entirely drawn along ethnic lines like this proposed agency I would love to hear it.
By that reasoning we already have departments that investigate immigrant crimes too.
You can't say illegal immigrant without immigrant.
the_sun_king
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Pretty much this. I hate this orange fuck.
Hours before pledging he will make USA safer(from immigrants), Donald made the access to guns for mentally ill people easier again
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ng-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
So there is that.
He did not mention that immigrant that got killed and 2 injured, did he?
This grosses me out so badly. Especially because he led into it sounding reasonable, and like it might be something that wouldn't be so terrible compared to everything else he does or has cooking. Then he dropped the immigration crime bit and - and I just can't.
It's so blatant, and clearly just trying to further demonize and create unnecessary fear of immigrants. And what's even worse, is that it'll probably work.
God, I will never understand how people are so willing to blindly hate just because they're told to.
It's so blatant, and clearly just trying to further demonize and create unnecessary fear of immigrants. And what's even worse, is that it'll probably work.
God, I will never understand how people are so willing to blindly hate just because they're told to.
Just because they pay a little lip service towards fairness and immigrants it still means that it's supposed to reinforce the notion among nationalists that all immigrants are criminals and illegal. It's typical racist doublespeak.
We already are. We are reading in the context of our history.
To be fair those were indian. In context Trump literally does not care about them because they aren't black, hispanic, or muslim.
Well, they may be muslim, but in context, to Trump, they aren't.
The context is pretty clear from the speech. Trump invited and mentioned people whose family members were killed by illegal immigrants with criminal records. The organization is for "those who have been ignored by the media and silenced by special interests." The victims Trump invited are "brave Americans whose government failed them."
The office exists to amplify media attention to any crimes of this kind in order to put pressure on sanctuary cities and reduce sympathy for illegal immigrants. It "provides a voice"; it does nothing to actually prevent or punish crime.
Name me the federal office that specifically investigates crimes commited by native citizens.
So to be clear, when you say "in context" you are referring to the context of the speech in which this department was announced, correct?
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Oh well at least you added the word illegal in front of immigrants. Better than most word smiths these days.
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Ummm how about every US government law enforcement agency in existence? I mean is that a serious question?
Frozenprince
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And we've reached stage two of the traditional handbook.
Look if you're not going to even bother keeping up a pretense of honest discussion then why are you even posting here other than "lol isn't it funny to make the Libruls mad?"
Can't even defend your own position.
Don't those also investigate crimes committed by immigrants?
Yeah, unlike the dumbasses who use the word "illegal" as a plural noun because heaven forbid they accidentally empathize with the designated scapegoat - because there can be no nuance, only good hombres and illegals.
metalslimer
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How about that reset eh liberals /s
if this is all the justification needed, why don't we have an agency tracking and publicizing the crimes of trump supporters (such as threatening black children at birthday parties or murdering people for being brown at a bar)?
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