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Havoc2049
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(12-03-2017, 07:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by Narasaki

Microsoft already killed two sega franchises by releasing sequels on xbox consoles: Jet Set Radio and Panzer Dragoon (and Shenmue didn't sell a lot on that machine too)

Xbox is for dumb people with bad taste

Microsoft published Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta and Shenmue II (Xbox version). It's not like the previous games in those franchises were retail hits before coming to the Xbox. If anything, Microsoft kept those franchises alive longer. Jet Set Radio Future sold better than Jet Set Radio, Panzer Dragoon Orta sold better than Panzer Dragoon Saga and the Xbox version of Shenmue II sold better than the Dreamcast version.

If you include the pack-in sales, Jet Set Radio Future and Sega GT 2002 were both million+ sellers on the Xbox. If anything, Sega should have capitalized on the renewed exposure that some of their franchises received on the Xbox and released sequels on both the X360 and PS3.
therapist
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(12-03-2017, 08:18 AM)
lol no and i hate you for making me wish for VF6, you bastid
Memorabilia
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(12-03-2017, 09:07 AM)

Originally Posted by Narasaki

Microsoft already killed two sega franchises by releasing sequels on xbox consoles: Jet Set Radio and Panzer Dragoon (and Shenmue didn't sell a lot on that machine too)

Xbox is for dumb people with bad taste

Lol WTF is going on in GAF these days? Prior to the mass exodus, Juniors would've been banned about 5 minutes after spouting this kind of console warrior nonsense.
FZW
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(12-03-2017, 02:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by JP

Doesn't seem like a good move to me, the Xbox just doesn't have a presence in the places it would need to for this to be worth anything to Microsoft.

If has to be done then it really needs to be one of the other two console manufacturers.

The point of doing this would be to increase ms presence in those places. How does that not make sense to you? I thought this would be obvious.
Cyber Caesar
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(12-03-2017, 02:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by therapist

lol no and i hate you for making me wish for VF6, you bastid

You're welcome. People are forgetting one thing. This man Harada is the King of Console fighting games. If not Harada then who?



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Havoc2049
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(12-03-2017, 06:25 PM)
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What Microsoft should do is moneyhat a North American and European release of Phantasy Star Online 2 to the PC and Xbox One, with cross-play.
xviper
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(12-03-2017, 07:03 PM)
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any 3rd party game becomes exclusive to Microsoft platforms will have a Very high risk of failure, even if the game is amazing like Titanfall 1, i like how a lot of people who "played" Titanfall 1 and said it's flop but when Titanfall 2 came out on all consoles, it's MP is suddenly considered amazing and underrated even though most people who REALLY played Titanfall 1 agree that Titanfall 2 MP is a huge step back and a big disappointment compared to the original

Microsoft has lost this generation by a big gap, there is nothing they can do to get back on the competition in the current generation

however, next generation may be different, even though i highly doubt there will be a next generation of Xbox
Cyber Caesar
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(12-03-2017, 07:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by KingJ2002

Microsoft has Killer Instinct... they don't need to money hat VF6... what should happen is Sega should take some of that Sonic money and have am2 bring Virtua Fighter into the e-sports world... hell... i'd take a F2P version where i get thrown a million costumes a day just to be able to see this game come to fruition.

Since VF's inception it's never missed a generation... I hope that's not the case for this one.


I hope you're right and Sega doesn't allow Virtua Fighter to miss a console generation. But I don't think it's a bad idea for MS to have multiple exclusive fighters on their resume. The X-box need to be at EVO too.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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(12-03-2017, 10:15 PM)
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I don't think I need to jump on board and further prove the XBOX is not the console for Virtua Fighter to reach it's true audience on... but I do believe there is a place for it in the market. Although it would most likely be on PlayStation.
Cyber Caesar
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(12-03-2017, 10:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by FF:Enhanced_Reality

I don't think I need to jump on board and further prove the XBOX is not the console for Virtua Fighter to reach it's true audience on... but I do believe there is a place for it in the market. Although it would most likely be on PlayStation.

Japan might be where Virtua Fighter's true audience is, but most copies of the last two installments of Virtua Fighter were sold in the US. Yes the world best players are in Japan, but the bigger audience has always been in the United States.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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(12-03-2017, 10:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

Japan might be where Virtua Fighter true audience is, but most copies of the last two installments of Virtua Fighter were sold in the US. Yes the world best players are in Japan but the bigger audience has always been in the United States.

Oh in terms of geography, then yeah, sure. In terms of console, I believe Final Showdown sold quite poorly on 360. I tried VF5 on PS3 when I got it for Christmas in 2008 and I also got Final Showdown but barely anyone played it, the online community, at least in my experience, was dead.

I'd love to see a huge reboot on PS4/PC with a big advertising blow out from Sony. That would be great.
yurinka
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(12-03-2017, 11:45 PM)
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MS should invest in their own IPs and to acquire new AAA 1st party studios.

Virtua Fighter was only big in Japan, and Xbox is basically dead there so it wouldn't make sense.
Cyber Caesar
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(12-03-2017, 11:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by yurinka

MS should invest in their own IPs and to acquire new AAA 1st party studios.

Virtua Fighter was only big in Japan, and Xbox is basically dead there so it wouldn't make sense.

Where are the numbers to support this claim?
Hotsuma
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(12-04-2017, 12:48 AM)
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If it allows the game to be made, sure.
Tricky Eileen
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(12-04-2017, 03:28 AM)
If they made a VF6 I don't care what console it's on, I'll play it. Many of the hardcore VF5FS players still use their xbox360 for that one game alone. There is a large VF base already on the xbox and a decent amount of those players made the jump to xbone too. Granted, on PS4 they'd have the Street Fighter V install base but those players don't tend to jump ship. If MS supports VF6 like they are KI, then VF can make a comeback.

Just make the damn game already sega.
visiblemode
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(12-04-2017, 03:31 AM)
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A combo of what others have said. Those who would care, arenít their audience. Canít see it being a wise investment for either brand.
JP
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(12-04-2017, 03:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by FZW

The point of doing this would be to increase ms presence in those places. How does that not make sense to you? I thought this would be obvious.

It doesn't make sense to me in what I would assume to be the same ways that it doesn't make sense to the majority of people who have said something similar in this thread.

Lets be accurate, this not being a good idea for Microsoft to do this is clearly the overriding feeling for the vast majority of people who have posted in this thread which means I'm unsure why it should make more sense to me than it does to the many other people who also believe it would be a mistake to do?
tsab
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(12-04-2017, 12:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

Tekken Producer Katsuhiro Harada has expressed interest in directing Virtua Fighter 6 in an interview witth Hip Hop Gamer. A sure fire way for Microsoft to make a big splash at E3 2018 or 19 is to show us the real graphical power of a true 4K Virtua Fighter. I remember the days when Virtua fighter was the graphical standard bearer. I 'd like to see a story mode that tries to create or recap the stories from the game. It would be nice to see one of those snazy CG intros and those endings that Tekken is known for.

I 'd love to see what Harada could do with the series that birthed 3d fighters.

Harada needs to make Tekken X Street Fighter first
yurinka
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(12-04-2017, 02:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

Where are the numbers to support this claim?

I don't have them here because they are super old. But these games were really popular in Japanese arcades, they were everywhere and had good console sales when looking at the Famitsu charts of that age.

But considering they killed the IP and stopped making new Virtua Fighter games, worldwide sales should be pretty low, because that's the main reason of why you kill a brand.

If they revive Virtua Fighter it should be multiplatform: I don't want to see more Sega IPs being killed after going MS exclusive. They should consider that MS is now weaker than ever in Japan.

Originally Posted by tsab

Harada needs to make Tekken X Street Fighter first

Yes, please
Cyber Caesar
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(12-04-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by yurinka


If they revive Virtua Fighter it should be multiplatform: I don't want to see more Sega IPs being killed after going MS exclusive. They should consider that MS is now weaker than ever in Japan.

Yes, please


That shows so little faith in Harada who has sold 46 million copies of the Tekken franchise, That's three million less than Metal Gear solid lifetime sales. When a high profile director wants to make a game the correct answer is always yes.
Freshmaker
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(12-05-2017, 02:52 AM)
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Now I wonder what a cinematic VF story mode would entail...
Cyber Caesar
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(12-06-2017, 12:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by Freshmaker

Now I wonder what a cinematic VF story mode would entail...

Link: A interesting video on this subject
CadetMahoney
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(12-06-2017, 01:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by 5Twist

The ratio of Tekken 7 in the UK was 85% PS4/15% XB1.

That's higher than I expected for xbox.
DiscoJer
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(12-06-2017, 02:00 AM)
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I was talking to a co-worker (he's 19) about fighting games the other day and mentioned that I was a Virtua Fighter fan.

He had not heard of the series. I explained it was from Sega.

Then he was like "Wait, is that the one where you can fight as a car?"

Which I then explained that was Fighters Megamix

But honestly, I don't think it has much name recognition anymore
Freshmaker
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(12-06-2017, 08:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

Link: A interesting video on this subject

Yeah, I'm aware of the lore and how it was driven by some tournament results etc.

Stretching that out into a Injustice level story mode though...
Heath V
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(12-06-2017, 09:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by Memorabilia

Lol WTF is going on in GAF these days? Prior to the mass exodus, Juniors would've been banned about 5 minutes after spouting this kind of console warrior nonsense.

Thank you!! That was an absolutely ridiculous statement by him! I guess I have bad taste because I love my Xbox! I also love my PlayStation 4 and Switch but some of these comments are absolutely ridiculous.
mr_sockochris
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(12-06-2017, 10:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by DiscoJer

I was talking to a co-worker (he's 19) about fighting games the other day and mentioned that I was a Virtua Fighter fan.

He had not heard of the series. I explained it was from Sega.

Then he was like "Wait, is that the one where you can fight as a car?"

Which I then explained that was Fighters Megamix

But honestly, I don't think it has much name recognition anymore

This.

I've owned and loved every installment of VF (and would naturally love another) but right now I don't see any appeal it would have for newcomers given that all the fighters are just so "normal".
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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(12-06-2017, 03:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

That shows so little faith in Harada who has sold 46 million copies of the Tekken franchise, That's three million less than Metal Gear solid lifetime sales. When a high profile director wants to make a game the correct answer is always yes.

The same Harada who is butchering that series? I dipped on Tekken 6, sold it days later. Tried TTT2 and T7, really don't like modern Tekken.
TGO
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(12-06-2017, 03:50 PM)
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Almost every series MS has moneyhatted is either dead or damaged, they're like the kiss of death.
even Exclusives that went Multiplatform have had a bumpy ride or never returned afterwards.
No thank you.
Suzuki Yu
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(12-06-2017, 05:56 PM)
regarding the topic why would i need Harada to work on my Virtua Fighter? i am not asking for a tekken skinned as virtua!
also AM2 is still exist and strong as ever (the most talented team within the arcade industry since 1985)


Originally Posted by Alx

Are those guys still around anyway ? I don't remember them releasing anything meaningful in the last 10 years.

Originally Posted by Bucket-o-roadkill

What is AM2 doing these days? Is it still a thing?

these are their major/currently running series with frequent updates (aside from the smaller projects/medal type of games)







and this is their next major project which is about to hit the arcade in Japan






and they are already teasing what looks like a complete new project for BORDER BREAK
http://borderbreak.com/newproject/
RootCause
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(12-06-2017, 06:04 PM)
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No no no! They should spend the money on reviving Jade Empire 2. Seriously, I need my martial arts action/rpg game. Come on Phil! Do do it! :)
Jetboxx
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(12-07-2017, 02:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cyber Caesar

You're welcome. People are forgetting one thing. This man Harada is the King of Console fighting games. If not Harada then who?

The mastermind Tomonobu Itagaki.
Outrun
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(12-07-2017, 03:56 PM)
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Why not?

It is not as if Sega has the competence or desire to make it.
NahaNago
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(12-07-2017, 04:08 PM)
You know what after finding out that it has been 10 years since virtua fighter 5, I'd say go ahead. It's been long enough without Sega making one and i don't see them making one anytime soon.
Louis Cyphre
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(12-08-2017, 01:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by TGO

Almost every series MS has moneyhatted is either dead or damaged, they're like the kiss of death.
even Exclusives that went Multiplatform have had a bumpy ride or never returned afterwards.
No thank you.

You mean like Call of Duty?

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