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Juno
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(12-04-2017, 11:47 AM)
Heard about this on the radio this morning, and it's being discussed on The Wright Stuff on Channel 5 at the moment in a viewer call-in.

It all relates to the trailer from Paris Games Week a few weeks ago.

MOST DISTURBING VIDEO GAME EVER? Sony slammed for brutal scene in Detroit: Become Human showing dad beating daughter, 10, to death.

A VIOLENT video games has come under fire for featuring disturbing scenes of an abusive father beating his 10-year-old daughter 'to death'.

The neo-noir thriller, developed by Quantic Dream and produced by Sony, is set in a dystopian future and tells the story of an android housekeeper who works for an aggressive single dad called Todd.

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EuropeOG
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(12-04-2017, 11:50 AM)
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I guess they missed TLOU2
Spukc
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(12-04-2017, 11:51 AM)
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Oh it's the sun nevermind...
Night.Ninja
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(12-04-2017, 11:51 AM)
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People love to complain
dsier
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(12-04-2017, 11:51 AM)
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Oh boy here we go again...
MilkyJoe
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(12-04-2017, 11:54 AM)
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If the idea of the game is to try stop a dad killing his child, then someone needs to evaluate their green lights. First I've seen of this.
Carl
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(12-04-2017, 11:55 AM)
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Originally Posted by MilkyJoe

If the idea of the game is to try stop a dad killing his child, then someone needs to evaluate their green lights. First I've seen of this.

It's not
daniell
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(12-04-2017, 11:55 AM)
Kinda stupid... we are now at the point where jack thompson would be proud with all the calls for weeb games censorship and now this nonsense.
SoulUnison
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(12-04-2017, 11:56 AM)
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That does sound like something way heavier than I'm sure I trust David Cage with.
MilkyJoe
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(12-04-2017, 11:56 AM)
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Originally Posted by Carl

It's not

Looked like it from that trailer. Granted I wasn't playing it with sound.
stargateheaven
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(12-04-2017, 12:01 PM)
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It's the SUN.

1 complaint and a headline from the sun is "Sony slammed for brutal scene in Detroit: Become Human..."
sublimit
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(12-04-2017, 12:02 PM)
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Would they have even bothered if Detroit was a movie rather than a video game?
nkarafo
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(12-04-2017, 12:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by sublimit

Would they have even bothered if Detroit was a movie rather than a video game?

Probably not. It's only the game industry that are not allowed to have heavy themes.


Originally Posted by MilkyJoe

If the idea of the game is to try stop a dad killing his child, then someone needs to evaluate their green lights. First I've seen of this.

Would you like it better if you helped him instead?

Is saving a child not a good cause?
JimPanzer
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(12-04-2017, 12:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by sublimit

Would they have even bothered if Detroit was a movie rather than a video game?

As a David Cage game it kinda is a movie
MegaMelon
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(12-04-2017, 12:10 PM)
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For non UK peeps the Sun is your typical trashy tabloid. I'd ignore pretty much everything they say.
Juno
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(12-04-2017, 12:13 PM)
And I now it was a trailer, but...

scenes of an abusive father beating his 10-year-old daughter 'to death'.


is BS because it's implied, there is no scene where you watch a child beaten to death in the trailer.
sublimit
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(12-04-2017, 12:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by JimPanzer

As a David Cage game it kinda is a movie

I agree but technically it still is a video game especially to those who write for the Sun.
llien
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(12-04-2017, 12:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Juno

It all relates to the trailer from Paris Games Week a few weeks ago.

Chances of me playing this together with my wife - 0%.
MadMod
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(12-04-2017, 12:17 PM)
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The one of if not the worst paper in the UK. Iíd be surprised if they even knew what they were talking about. Their research beyond the trailer is probably a 5 second twitter video.

Iíve seen the scene, itís part of the narrative story. Iím assuming the game will be rated accordingly and Iím okay with such scenes. May even bring some positive discussion on the topic, especially if people are oblivious to such things.
Juno
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(12-04-2017, 12:21 PM)
Oh and of course the fellow rag *that shall not be named* has gotten in on the act!!

Wouldn't be too bothered, but the amount these rags have their articles shared and discussed (in the mainstream) is scary.
KormaChameleon
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(12-04-2017, 12:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by MegaMelon

For non UK peeps the Sun is your typical trashy tabloid. I'd ignore pretty much everything they say.

Owned by Rupert Murdoch... The guy that owns Fox, Fox News etc.
Shin
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(12-04-2017, 12:38 PM)
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Isn't this wrong as is? "Sony slammed for brutal scene in Detroit: Become Human showing dad beating daughter, 10, to death."

I don't recall seeing the dad beat her to death at all in the trailer.
Typhares
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(12-04-2017, 12:40 PM)
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Also a bit of 'shock' in autralia according to this article

The National Association for Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect (NAPCAN) told Nine.com.au the game Detroit: Become Human was "very disturbing" and called on Australian stores to not stock it.

Xenobureido
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(12-04-2017, 12:42 PM)
It's fictional.
Hoya Destroyer
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(12-04-2017, 12:54 PM)
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I just watched the trailer and didnt see the dad beat the daughter.
mrback
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(12-04-2017, 12:56 PM)
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It's 'The Sun' absolute awful newspaper
Fbh
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(12-04-2017, 01:09 PM)
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Not that I think that David Cage is very good at it . But games aren't allowed to have dark or "heavy" themes now ?

Do these organizations take as much issue with Movies, TV shows and books that depict domestic violence ?
Aztorian
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(12-04-2017, 01:12 PM)
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Who runs this paper? The same person that asks for the manager every time he/she is at the store?
the210
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(12-04-2017, 01:20 PM)
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Takes me back to the Night Trap days. You remember when we were trying to kill all those co-eds.
Alx
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(12-04-2017, 01:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Xenobureido

It's fictional.

Being fictional is not an excuse in itself, otherwise anything would fly provided it's not real characters. Some time ago Japan used the "it's fictional" defense for pedophile anime, after all.
With that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with Detroit, since it doesn't promote violence or child killing, just telling a story where those things happen. It's not for all audience, but apart from that it's ok.
JoeNut
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(12-04-2017, 01:30 PM)
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Don't Buy The Sun
knerl
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(12-04-2017, 01:30 PM)
Better not change it. Wish people could start understanding we have ratings for a reason. More importantly I wish people could stop being such hypocrites. It's a game, it's a story told. If it makes people uncomfortable and react this way it's succeeded in telling a believable story and setting. That's a good thing. Reactions and emotions are what we strive to achieve in the media just like in movies no? It's not an appeal. While still being fiction fathers beating relatives, children or not, is a real thing in our world. If anything showing scenes like this is to spread awareness. Kind of like how gore and violence in games is a way of preventing it by showing that the acts have consequences.

Makes me think of the TLOU2 trailer. How can anyone complain about it being too violent? Did the ones that complained even play the first game? The world and horrible shit characters do in that game is dark as fuck. You don't have to like it, but it's what the fictitious story and world is like. All things considered in this work of fiction it's perfectly believable to me and adds to the immersion.
Alx
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(12-04-2017, 01:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by knerl

Makes me think of the TLOU2 trailer. How can anyone complain about it being too violent?

My issue with the TLOU2 trailer wasn't the violence itself, but the fact that they just threw that video with gruesome details for everyone to see without any kind of warning (or context). As long as everyone knows what they're getting into it's fine, just keep in mind people who aren't into that and are just here to watch regular video games.
GribbleGrunger
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(12-04-2017, 01:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Typhares

Also a bit of 'shock' in autralia according to this article

So, the best way of dealing with child abuse is to hide it from the public. Should we perhaps ban books and films that deal with these issues too? Or should be give them Booker Prizes and Oscars?
PaulBizkit
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(12-04-2017, 01:41 PM)
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Don't bother with this story, people. The Sun is the most tabloid, sensasionalist newspaper ever.

This'll be forgotten by tomorrow.
MilkyJoe
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(12-04-2017, 01:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by nkarafo



Would you like it better if you helped him instead?

Is saving a child not a good cause?

Memorabilia
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(12-04-2017, 01:48 PM)
Im more likely to buy it now. Thanks!
knerl
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(12-04-2017, 01:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Alx

My issue with the TLOU2 trailer wasn't the violence itself, but the fact that they just threw that video with gruesome details for everyone to see without any kind of warning (or context). As long as everyone knows what they're getting into it's fine, just keep in mind people who aren't into that and are just here to watch regular video games.

But it's The Last Of Us. That alone should have been a sign of what might have come. If not the slow intro sets the tone pretty well where you should be able to kind of tell that things might escalate into more gruesome stuff.
Alx
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(12-04-2017, 01:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by knerl

But it's The Last Of Us. That alone should have been a sign of what might have come.

Except that they didn't tell what it was about during the conference. No title, no description, just "show is over, oh wait watch this before you go !".
Also even if the trailers for the first TLOU were violent too, that specific one was something else. As a matter of fact it did have a shock value even on people who are familiar with TLOU universe.
Shifty.
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(12-04-2017, 02:05 PM)
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From the same paper whose prime selling point is the sexy centerfold on page 3.

I wouldn't consider it too credible.
EuropeOG
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(12-04-2017, 02:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shifty.

From the same paper whose prime selling point is the sexy centerfold on page 3.

I wouldn't consider it too credible.

They no longer have that.

But yes they are bad, regardless.
mario_O
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(12-04-2017, 02:34 PM)
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I find it hard to believe: "Beat to death". And this is The Sun, but we'll see. In any case, people have to realize that videogames, like movies, etc are for adults too. It's not a kids thing only anymore. If a game developer wants to explore this subject I see no problem at all.
Trogdor1123
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(12-04-2017, 02:53 PM)
As a father I don't know if I could a game with content like that... Pretty disturbing.
WaterAstro
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(12-04-2017, 02:58 PM)
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Yeah, let's ignore terrible things that happen in the world and just let people think they don't happen.
Senua
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(12-04-2017, 03:02 PM)
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That scene kinda turned me on idk.
Teren_Kanan
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(12-04-2017, 03:10 PM)
Was actually the first trailer that got me interested in this game.
The Hostage one was pretty cool too.
Dunki
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(12-04-2017, 03:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Alx

Being fictional is not an excuse in itself, otherwise anything would fly provided it's not real characters. Some time ago Japan used the "it's fictional" defense for pedophile anime, after all.
With that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with Detroit, since it doesn't promote violence or child killing, just telling a story where those things happen. It's not for all audience, but apart from that it's ok.

Yes it is. There are even surveys that material like this is helping people not to act in reality. Media is a fantasy fulfillment. Just like rape porn as an example. It helps us to live out our fantasies without hurting anyone.

Oh And you do not want to know what you can totally buy freely in Japan if you go the porn direction. But it is still fictional and fictional everything is fine.
Alx
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(12-04-2017, 03:18 PM)
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Well at least I'm quite happy that fictional child porn is forbidden over here. And Custer's Revenge is fictional too, does it make it ok ?
FlyStarJay
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(12-04-2017, 03:20 PM)
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I believe it was an MP who complained. The sun is just reporting
Dunki
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(12-04-2017, 03:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Alx

Well at least I'm quite happy that fictional child porn is forbidden over here. And Custer's Revenge is fictional too, does it make it ok ?

Why should it not be ok? Again you have way more heavy stuff in western pornos. Example Rape porn is really popular. Psychologytoday found out more than half of women have rape fantasies. But these are fantasies and have nothing to do with real life.

Fantasy helps us to live out the stuff you are not allowed to without this outlet you would have a lot more crimes

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