Vane_MagicCity
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Neither sounds desirable but I would rather have the latter.
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US: $99 Xbox 360 + Kinect bundle coming with two-year subscription ($15 a month)
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Neither sounds desirable but I would rather have the latter.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
This isn't going to be good going forward. Cell providers and Cable companies already fleece people with contracts. It's another way to steal money from people.
And games are still $60 a pop. This is silly.
And games are still $60 a pop. This is silly.
airmangataosenai
Member
That's crazy short-sighted. I'd take the higher initial cost any day of the week over paying a still-high price for the right to re-buy basically what I already own.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
But you don't just pay for the phone. A (carefully chosen) contract saves you hundreds of dollars on calls, messages and data over the course of the 2 years. A true analogy would be a 2 year contract for an iphone, but no calls, messages or data is included.
Medium for $300. If you want power, building a PC is what you should be doing.
there's a worlds difference between medium jump and no jump at all.
You could technically say the wii was a medium jump in power no? Regardless of how much power developers actually utilized.
Was it closer to 2x, 1.5x, or 1.25x?
Proelite
Member
With $300, assuming MS / Sony breaks even on the consoles, there isn't really much of a jump.
Medium to me is around a traditional console jump, where as high would be 2-3x traditional jump, as it should be after 8 years.
shinra-bansho
Member
Who would buy this? It costs you more overall.
And what happens after two years is up? Do you need to keep paying the subscription?
And what happens after two years is up? Do you need to keep paying the subscription?
64->dc vs ps2 would be closer to a "medium" jump in my opinion, but i dunno we're getting into semantics.
Eteric Rice
Member
Medium with no sub for me.
I always felt we didn't have to be at the bleeding edge, and I still don't feel we do. I think we should strive to allow developers to do much more than they could the previous gen, but not to the point where consoles cost over half a grand. It's insanity.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I feel like I don't want to buy a $500 console and I feel like my gaming PC can handle the times when I want amazing graphics but a console that is becoming a multimedia machine... I wonder if I am the only one who feels this way.
Not many other people have gaming rigs to experience the latest cutting edge games. A high end console would appeal to those that don't.
lol cell phone services are a huge rip off. Anyone is deluding themselves if they think a 70dollar a month plan is "saves" money.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
That's true but let me be clear, modern gen graphics on the HD twins is very nice. I could live with that for awhile longer. In other words, without a gaming PC, I would be fine with gen graphics.
The Wii needs to be upgraded but the WiiU won't be more than $300.
airmangataosenai
Member
So then why bother at all with buying new hardware? I don't know about you, but $300 is still a lot of money to me. It's wasteful to spend so much for marginal improvements over what I already have.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
I probably won't.
Anyhow, it's like asking why people bought the SNES for $200 when the NES was $200 6 years earlier.
im fine with current graphics as well. Gameplay before graphics etc. But neogaf has had numerous threads on this topic along with our threads that zoom in and examine jaggies, screenshots that determine if a game is shit, and lol-ing at games that dont look like they were developed by Epic, and PC gamers complaining that consoles are holding them back, have already determined that gaf wants uber next gen consoles.
Infamous Chris
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If the thread read exactly the same but you replaced the word Microsoft with Nintendo or Sony and 360 with Wii U or PS3, this thread would be entirely different. People would be hootin and hollering about how genius Nintendo is.
But since its MS...
This.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
If MS release the 720 on a similar plan that will only cost me less than $50 more over 2 years than buying outright I think I'll get it on contract.
If you don`t have the money upfront this would be a better option than a credit card. Unless my math is wrong $50 for 2 years on a $500 console would come out to 5% interest. Most credit cards are far more than that.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
What? How? I don't perceive that as being the case at all.If the thread read exactly the same but you replaced the word Microsoft with Nintendo and 360 with Wii U, this thread would be entirely different. People would be hootin and hollering about how genius Nintendo is.
But since its MS...
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Why, this is a huge rip-off and it's a console that's already going to be outdated next year.
Not to mention if they include live and some other frivolous services.
Didn't realize you were already factoring in xbl fees.
Tylahedras
Banned
You know what's a better option? Saving. Or maybe just an ounce of self control.
Proelite
Member
Better yet, get a job.
This logic seems to sort of represent a slippery slope, where now consoles are desired to be a cheaper equal to high end gaming rigs rather than cheap alternative with reasonably good, but not equal performance, and it's worse (but easier to understand perhaps) given we've been entering a point of drastically diminishing returns. In the 80s and 90s even small upgrades seemed to open the potential for new, significantly more expansive games and designs, but nowadays it looks like many of the biggest hurdles have been overcome (text has become such a non-issue that many cartridge-based games can afford to have multiple languages on them, when in the 80s and early 90s you needed to be concise with just one language) and anything that really pushes those capabilities is going to be costing much, much more. That, and it's still the point that if you want high end performance get a gaming capable PC. Far as I know you can do those in payments over time too, I don't want to have consoles be nearly as expensive or bogged down with cellphone-style contracts just so some people can have their bleeding edge hardware that ends up costing too much for many developers to develop for anyway.
onlyindreams
Banned
Depending on what streaming services this comes with it might not even be a bad deal...
Agent X
Member
ProTip: If you're going to edit someone else's quote, at least proofread it so that the whole thing makes sense.
frAntic_Frog
Member
heh who mixed this cellphone business model into my console gaming?
welcome to contract subscription gaming, gaffers!........early termination fees for all!
(probably already mentioned, but anyone remember the SegaNet "free Dreamcast" after signing on for a multiyear subscription contract?)
welcome to contract subscription gaming, gaffers!........early termination fees for all!
(probably already mentioned, but anyone remember the SegaNet "free Dreamcast" after signing on for a multiyear subscription contract?)
frAntic_Frog
Member
reminds me off a part from a recent Simpsons episode:
Salesman: Homer you should TOTALLY buy this awesome treadmill for the low low price of $300 per month!
Homer: Awwww......$300 a month?? but i cant afford that?!
Salesman: oh errr did I say $300?? I meant $10 per day!
Homer: $10 a day??? WOO HOO ITS A DEAL!
The Faceless Master
Member
so, $299 with 3 year sub for Xbox Loop?
this is like a Capcom test...
this is like a Capcom test...
frAntic_Frog
Member
MrBelmontvedere
Member
420 lol
You never get a console with "no subscription" from MS, not unless you want to actually use the network interface...It's been this way this generation, and it's a factor for de-Microsoftizing my life for me.
Speedymanic
Banned
HAHAHAHAHA.
What the hell am I reading. Jesus wept.
Stop lying.
I can access XBL without a subscription, I can access game downloads, movie downloads, etc. accessing the network and accessing certain apps and online gaming are entirely different.
Winnie the Pimp
Member
People saying models like this are enabling people in less fortunate economic situations to be buying expensive hardware (like 700 dollar cellphones or a console with such a model) have to consider this:
Maybe these people shouldn't be owning such hardware in the FIRST place if they can't "truly" afford it!
It is one of the problems of our economy that every single last one feels entitled to having the EXACT same standard of living as the next guy.
Result=a large portion of the population is indebted to the brim and still think they are living the good life, well i guess in a way they ARE but at a cost they do not yet realize...
So yeah, i think this system of low prices + subscriptions are nothing but a way of TRAPPING consumers by dangling a carrot in front of their face that says "buy me, you can now afford me" but in the end are screwing the consumer over, because MS or other big companies don't give a crap about your economic situation, they just want to cash in as quickly and as much as possible!
Maybe these people shouldn't be owning such hardware in the FIRST place if they can't "truly" afford it!
It is one of the problems of our economy that every single last one feels entitled to having the EXACT same standard of living as the next guy.
Result=a large portion of the population is indebted to the brim and still think they are living the good life, well i guess in a way they ARE but at a cost they do not yet realize...
So yeah, i think this system of low prices + subscriptions are nothing but a way of TRAPPING consumers by dangling a carrot in front of their face that says "buy me, you can now afford me" but in the end are screwing the consumer over, because MS or other big companies don't give a crap about your economic situation, they just want to cash in as quickly and as much as possible!
It's using the same internet connection for that as it is for store downloads, the only thing "different" about them is that they're behind a paywall unlike any other computer/electronic device that's on sale at the moment. It's not "entirely different", what a load of BS.
Perhaps I should have clarified that using the network connection means FULLY using the network connection, which is what I meant when I said that. Everyone here knows you can buy games and download demos without paying for XBL.
In either case, I'm not interested, I'd rather light a cigar with that money than to pay it for XBL. But I predict it'll be somewhat successful in the US.
Speedymanic
Banned
Yes, it is entirely different.
You claimed the network was subscription based, it's not.
Being able to connect to anywhere besides Microsoft servers is subscription based on XBL. That's not much of a network if you ask me. Would you consider a PC connected to the internet if all it could access was microsoft.com and no other sites?
You need to keep paying Microsoft forever to be able to use 99.9% of your device's network capabilities. That's a fact. I just rounded that to 100% in my first post, hoping that my point would come across without getting stuck in semantics.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Here here.
Perhaps I'm getting old but if you can't afford a measly console outright then you probably shouldn't be buying it at all, at the very least save up for it.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I was excited over a $99 XBOX360 S until I read the subscription plan.
Still makes me wonder if MS (or Sony) will start making some drastic price drops this year once the Wii U hits and when it comes closer to next-gen.
Still makes me wonder if MS (or Sony) will start making some drastic price drops this year once the Wii U hits and when it comes closer to next-gen.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
even if I had the money to buy it outright, I would still get it on this contract and buy 3 or 4 games as well. If I get a 360 I want XBL Gold, so really I'm only paying an extra $1.60 a month for 2 years compared to someone who bought it outright.
This system could easily be abused by someone else or later on by MS themselves, but this deal is pretty fair.
Or maybe they could afford it just fine if they saved $15 from their paycheck every week. At the end of the day its only $15 a month, if they can't afford that where are they getting the $99 to buy the console itself.
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