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CrowbCat - LawBreakers in an oversaturated market
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ffejeromdiks
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Lol, now he's a white supremacist? Jesus christ Gaf.
You take funny videos way too seriously.
It reminds me of people criticizing AVGN for being "unfair"
I don't think that all. In fact, Cliff is a really smart dude.
This video doesn't focus on any technical aspects but the whole marketing around it and how it's hard to even standout.
Niceguydan8
Member
I don't think that the market leader of FPS games being on the more casual side means that the landscape as a whole doesn't care about games with higher skill ceilings.
Lawbreakers doesn't need to be a market leader to be successful, hell it probably doesn't need to have 10% of the OW install base to be a success.
There could be (and probably are) a ton of reasons why LB isn't currently doing well. Some of it may have to do with what you're talking about, but to suggest that's the reason why it's probably not doing so hot (at least on PC) just comes across as naive.
It become a problem when other people took his video way too seriously and use it as some kind of proof.
Ban Puncher
Member
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'm pretty sure the intention this time is to make a point about the marketing the game received, rather to say the game is a disaster.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
I haven't seen any marketing for this game at all. No Youtube ads, no ads on GAF or Any other game sites.The game looks fun but wow did marketing fail this one.
I feel like this is becoming a bigger trend where more and more people are describing games by focusing on what the game isn't rather than what it is
Lawbreakers isn't overwatch
Agents of mayhem isn't saints row
[insert RPG] isn't witcher 3
Granted a lot of these comparisons are bred out of having higher standards and expectations from high quality games and experiences but it creates a certain level of derision around a game that in some instances may be unfair if the game isn't trying to be the other game everyone keeps comparing it to. If the overwhelming consensus is that overwatch is a good game and people keep describing lawbreakers in the shadow of overwatch by saying it's not overwatch then it begins to paint a picture that it's bad without even judging it on its own merits and what it may do well.
I think this contributes to all the schadenfreude that people have been picking up on lately.
James Scott
Banned
Basically that it sold poorly
Enough beating around the bush what is it?
funkystudent
Member
The market isnt oversaturated.
Lawbreakers just looks about as compelling as mashed potatoes.
Lawbreakers just looks about as compelling as mashed potatoes.
Not enough though i mean it is still out of the steam top 100 most played games. I haven't seen any marketing, like almost nothing even on the internet.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
If someone does use a white supremacist meme and dosn't even back up from using it, what does it says about that person?
Visualante2
Member
Weird to see a balanced Crowbcat video. Usually such a dog pile. Cliff comes across in both positive and negative light. I'm not going to hold his catch phrases against him. The problem is with the media eating them up more than anything. edit. Also for pitching dumb questions and making dumb hot takes like "So what makes you different from Overwatch"
Wanted to like the game, wanted to give it a chance but the beta did not ease me into the objectives very well.
Wanted to like the game, wanted to give it a chance but the beta did not ease me into the objectives very well.
Ban Puncher
Member
Cliff Bleszinski, David Jaffe and Randy Pitchford should team up and make the Dark Souls of Shit Games That Don't Sell.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
CS:GO?
Player's Unknown?
To get big numbers like Overwatch, Players, or CS:GO you need to introduce them into an established community or foster it. You need something that tethers everyone together like how PUBG is twitch centered. You can't just make a game and hope it gets popular, that's silly.
Probably true though lol
Lmao, I just saw his Xbox comments. Is this game really not on Xbox One? Lmao. "Xbox fanboys are salty" this guy lol.
Then he tells PC gamers to get over his comments about the PC years ago.
Maybe 5 years from now he'll go "Neogaf, I was wrong. Get over it, shit"
Then he tells PC gamers to get over his comments about the PC years ago.
Maybe 5 years from now he'll go "Neogaf, I was wrong. Get over it, shit"
Phoenix944
Member
Oh fuck, it's so on point
I'm convinced that when people say "it had no marketing" they are referring to the lack of marketing targeted at them.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I guess unless a game has bazillion of billboards and TV ads, you can't say it had a lot of money marketing...
Is clear the game failed to create any hype/notoriety, to me seems that paying a bunch of youtubers to say silly stuff about your game is not a good option.
AF? or AG. If AF, as fuck? Are you skilled as fuck?(?)
TetraGenesis
Member
"We wuz kangs." It's somewhat inconspicuously racist if you don't know the origins and the manner that it is used in those communities.
James Scott
Banned
Skilled "as fuck"...I think
Neuromancer
Member
I wonder if it's too late for bot support because that would definitely get me interested.
Psychoward
Banned
oh please
and you play titanfall 2, when LB is constantly mentioned as the fastest shooter ever and all that and the average tf2 player can maintain a better constant speed than LB that's hilarious
the video was shitty, just 10 minutes of iffy new age marketing and nothing about how the game actually plays
and crowbcat always seemed like a dick so the racism wouldn't surprise me and I'm not doubting it and now won't bother giving him clicks but I don't see anything in the supercut? did he edit it out or can someone give me a timestamp of the AC:O gameplay that isn't at the end?
Doesn't explain Siege's success.
AmayaPapaya
Banned
Was trying to find it. I think it's at 4:07? I don't understand what the guy is saying though, and am not familiar with the meme, so it would have flown under my radar.
jim2point0
Banned
I don't know. I watched it and clearly missed it. But it's apparently 1 line out of a whole 18 minute video? I doubt the guy is a "racist white supremacist fuck" that people are making him out to be...
Niceguydan8
Member
In all fairness we probably don't know how much the youtubers were actually paid, do we?
I'm pretty comfortable saying that the game didn't get billboard/TV ads, but I'm not totally comfortable saying the game got a lot of advertising money spent on it because I have no idea how much the sort of stuff they did actually costs.
Do you use adblock? Honest question.
I think it works okay if your game is actually seen as compelling, since then exposure helps, but the fundamental failure here was on the front end in terms of making an appealing game.
Like, by comparison, Foxhole, a game that actually had zero marketing, has sold 112,002 copies, while Lawbreakers has sold 61,802, and both games came out around a similar time and cost a similar amount of money. Foxhole is way more conceptually unique and interesting though.
yes, but these people will always exist. "Taking satire seriously" is kind of the internet birth defect.
Plus this video is kind of balanced/
Siege was one of the first successful hero shooters to boot, so the genre actually took off with what's seen as a rather difficult game.
Not to mention a lot of the inspiration comes from merging class based shooters with MOBAs, which are not especially straightforward games.
Psychoward
Banned
It's a cop out denial excuse instead of acknowledging the game's faults or even just acknowledging that other people don't like it as much as you do. It's not based in any sort of reality whatsoever.
"We wuz kangs and shit, nigga."
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-wuz-kings
The narrator opening with "WE," coupled with the game taking place in ancient Egypt, means that the twitch stream was filled with WE WUZ KANGS in twitch chat as soon as the narrator started talking.
Gnome Scat
Member
lmao