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Gearbox Artist trashes Dragons Crown art style
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Devolution
Member
Lara and Samus =(.
NoirVisage
Banned
Dude..you just don't say something like that and burn off into the sunset..spill it, I'm a big fan of the dudes, his thought's on any topic are worth hearing, at least where I'm concerned.
she also hosts tournaments, the deathmatches in the first one come to mind..horrible dlc.
You can't just drop a bomb like that into the thread and walk away, man! I'd be interested in hearing about that, and I imagine quite a few other people here would, too.
NoirVisage
Banned
that's word!
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Do it. You wont. Make another thread.
But you have no idea what she's said about Gearbox in the past.
BS, she was just acting like any normal person and bothering to comment on it since the topic came up on a forum. Might as well complain that you're selectively complaining about her when there's millions of people doing what you claim she's doing. She sees a thread on a forum, she posts something relevant to the thread. No need for constructing conspiracies about her motives when the obvious answer is rather simple and mundane.
faceless007
Member
I don't see much point in belaboring the rest of the argument; you clearly see nothing wrong with a textbook ad hominem argument, but I want to clarify the difference between these situations is that when I was employed by Activision, I didn't write critical posts about them under my own name; I did so anonymously, and from the perspective of a disinterested consumer (I didn't have or claim to have an insider's perspective or any control over anything; in fact I wasn't saying anything that lots of other bloggers and posters weren't also saying independently). Surely even you see the difference between posting under one's own name and posting under a pseudonym. And this shows the problem with your argument: by your thinking, if you (hypothetically) had read my posts at the time, you might have agreed with them (as did dozens of others basically all saying the same things about their business); and yet, now, years later that you have this information, you would suddenly retroactively say they were null and void even though the actual opinion or argument would not have changed.
All good and well that she clarified/explained her opinion more, but it would've been nice if it wasn't so inflammatory from the start (kinda like the first Kotaku "article"?).
Probably part of the reason why some people are upset about this talk about the sorceress character, artist, and game.
Probably part of the reason why some people are upset about this talk about the sorceress character, artist, and game.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I'd like to read about that
I'd say make a new thread but I'm not sure we need another platform for this discussion
test_account
XP-39C²
What did she explain more? I havnt followed the thread, sorry.
Check the posts from the last page.
Not that I totally agree with her though, but yeah.
test_account
XP-39C²
Do you have any specific username or phrase i can search for? I dont feel like reading all the posts in the last pages right now, sorry
Zen_Arcade
Banned
No I wouldn't. That makes no sense toward my argument. Your scenario implies that I think she's wrong. It's her opinion, I can't tell her shes wrong if she doesn't like something. My issue is that she doesn't practice what she preaches. I'm not going to listen to someone who would make such brash insulting judgements that works for someone who does the same things she's trying to make fun of. It lowers the credibility of her opinions to me because she's involved in the same things she's criticizing, yet acting like she's better then them in some way. It's the same reason I stopped listening to politicians, they're very easy to pass judgement and act like they know everything while very rarely, if ever doing better then the people they're criticizing. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean everyone has to take it into consideration or consider it valid. I'm not going to listen to the opinion of an artist I don't find credible criticizing anything.
You were making judgements against your own employer, which is justifiable because it doesn't show me any bias. You were judging the quality of what your company was doing and criticizing it because it wasn't up to your standards. That's very different then pointing the finger at other people and trying to act like their art is juvenile while you work for a company that made Duke Nukem Forever. The people at Gearbox aren't making anything better, so why should I care about what anyone there thinks in the first place? She's involved in the same things she's mocking so she shouldn't just be pointing fingers at other people, she should be pointing one towards her own company as well.
I'm not going to listen to someone that acts like that. If you can't even live your life better then the people you're trying to pass judgement on then maybe you don't have very much business going around passing that judgement in the first place.
Do you have any specific username or phrase i can search for? I dont feel like reading all the posts in the last pages right now, sorry
See this post (bottom quotes after "For the record"):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56637236&postcount=1276
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Karsticles
Member
I'm informed. She said something idiotic, and that's all that needs to be known. I don't think I criticized her, regardless.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Sounds likes its time for a 'Warning! A Huge Podcast' special report...
Don't let the pre-release developer talk fool you. Lara Croft in the new Tomb Raider doesn't need any protecting. She's a Dexter style serial killer who clubs guys with an axe before sticking an arrow in their neck and smashing their face with a rock. I've played all of the Tomb Raider games, and she's never been more 'empowered.' She's downright scary.
It's unique in that when it's other mediums people will admit they want to censor it. Only in the game industry do people have this attitude that they can save the cake and eat it too.
SixMachine
Member
At first I was indifferent to the Skullgirl's VA because I thought of them like just people doing a job. But when I watched Fanatiq's donation stream and some salty cupcakes, I actually like the VAs and they have gone over this kind of topic many times. Men and women like boobies, if you need evidence you should see how much money people have donated to save boobies from cancer (warms my heart when I see donation drives like this and AGDQ)!
test_account
XP-39C²
Thanks
Although in that quote it doesnt seem to me like she clearified much on what she first said about the Dragon Crown's artwork. What she said to begin with is kinda insulting to the Dragon Crown's artist, in my opinion. There would be other ways to say it and still get the same point across. I also dont really agree with what she says that a game like Dragon's Crown serves the purpose to cement that gaming developement is a male thing only, although i see her point. But the same thing could be said about for example violent games as well, because the stereotype kinda thing is that violent and shooting in games/movies is more of a guy's thing. So i dont think that one game like Dragon's Crown is really much damaging in this regards, especially concidering how many games that are made.Just showed the Dragon's Crown pictures to my wife (we're actually at the hospital, just had a baby) and she had no reaction. I told her the attacks critics are having on the artists and those that like the art, and she was just confused as to why that would be possible.
....and here's the baby picture. Just had to show it!
....and here's the baby picture. Just had to show it!
captainnapalm
Member
I'm not sure we should be caring about what this person has to say. She's one of hundreds, maybe thousands, of people who gets listed in the credits of a Gearbox game, I imagine. Good for her, but her rant/opinion was juvenile and poorly written, so I can't see myself giving it any extra weight based on that.
To blame this game for somehow exluding women from gaming is ridiculous. There should be a place for this game amid the countless titles that get released every year.
To blame this game for somehow exluding women from gaming is ridiculous. There should be a place for this game amid the countless titles that get released every year.
test_account
XP-39C²
Congratulations with the baby!Just showed the Dragon's Crown pictures to my wife (we're actually at the hospital, just had a baby) and she had no reaction. I told her the attacks critics are having on the artists and those that like the art, and she was just confused as to why that would be possible.
....and here's the baby picture. Just had to show it!
thesolidshark
Member
Just showed the Dragon's Crown pictures to my wife (we're actually at the hospital, just had a baby) and she had no reaction. I told her the attacks critics are having on the artists and those that like the art, and she was just confused as to why that would be possible.
....and here's the baby picture. Just had to show it!
Congrats on the family Adam.
Gutsy Frog
Banned
>ChemicalAlia
I used to follow this person on Deviantart when I was 14 and I liked her stuff. I think we even talked. I forgot she even EXISTED and all the memories are coming back now.
It's fun/lame seeing people you used to appreciate get their brains turned into mush by misguided social justice slacktivism culture.
I used to follow this person on Deviantart when I was 14 and I liked her stuff. I think we even talked. I forgot she even EXISTED and all the memories are coming back now.
It's fun/lame seeing people you used to appreciate get their brains turned into mush by misguided social justice slacktivism culture.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
damn son what are you bothering her with this bullshit for when she just had a baby