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To the "Destiny 2 looks like DLC" crowd. Why?
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Killer Queen
Banned
Doesn't work like that. Because it's not expanding on anything.
That's not an answer the question, and you're extremely naive if you really believe it's "not expanding on anything".
Kor of Memory
Member
Plus, lets be honest. As soon as Destiny 2 launches, any sort of matchmaking activity is going straight to shit for Destiny 1.
The strike playlist? May as well be gone.
PvP? May as well be gone.
Iron Banner likely wont come back simply because Bungie isn't going to support it. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the weekly activities just straight up vanish like they did for the 360/ps3 players when Rise of Iron came out.
molnizzle
Member
Much better, because I would have gone into the event expecting an expansion and not a full sequel. Hell, even if they had shown all of this immediately after announcing the game last month it would've been easier to swallow. The problem is they announced Destiny 2 with a giant ass 2 and then said full gameplay reveal coming a month later. That's sending a message that there's gonna be some big shit to show. People were expecting a big reveal. I mean they had a red carpet for fuck's sake.
Killer Queen
Banned
Really? So tell me can you add this to Destiny 1? No? then its not an expansion. It's not expanding on the base game, its a sequel, its marketed as a sequel. The only one who's naive is yourself,
Your question is ridiculous.
darkistheway
Member
It is not about the money. It is about putting more time into a game that I have grown tired of after a 1000 hours. I need some feeling of new or I am not going to bother.
Bungie wants to sell sequel-level numbers of this product. They can't do that with an expansion. Making the 2 a prominent part of the marketing is the surest sign of this.
I have no doubt Destiny 2 will launch huge but unless they can re-engage the player base on a deep level, I think the fall off for the expansions will be precipitous. That's not a good business scenario.
Destiny 2 has to distinguish itself from Destiny 1. So far, for me, it hasn't. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why couldn't you?
4k, bigger maps, less loading screens between traveling, (probably more vault space) to start.
Against my will.
molnizzle
Member
That's kind of the point. From the look of it, you should be able to just add this to Destiny 1. Because it looks almost exactly like Destiny 1.
Probably. ugh.
Kor of Memory
Member
Things we've gotten from Destiny 1 expansions:
- New Destinations (Dreadnaut and Plaguelands)
- New weapon types (swords and sidearms)
- Overhauled level system (light level specifically)
- 3 Brand new Subclasses
- New enemy AI archtypes (the Taken)
- New PvP modes (Trials, Sparrow Racing, Supremacy)
This muddies the water of what a sequel could/should have because most of the bigger and better bullet points are things we've already experienced via DLC.
Varjis
Member
What concerns me is are we getting the same formula again? Destiny 2: Year 1, Year 2, Year 3. Oh time for Destiny 3, say goodbye to all your stuff again.
oneils
Member
Probably would pass on it. I still haven't bought rise of iron. I'm guessing that's why they are releasing it as a sequel. Sales of expansions usually crater as time goes on. I'm kind of on the fence with the sequel. Will most likely get it, but I'm underwhelmed.
Killer Queen
Banned
Because its literally not an expansion for Destiny.
Unless you can buy it and add it to Destiny 1, whether or not it's called an "expansion" is irrelevant, because it literally isn't. This isn't the followup to Rise of Iron.
I think here are two problems
1) Bungie always announces every new change like it's the Second Coming (holy shit, old raids are back? let's stream this! new content!)
2) people don't expect too much from Bungie so they are happy even if changes are small
All these things happened during that stream.
It's also funny for me to read how "this stream is for fans of Destiny who were happy to see it". Well, fan of Destiny here, I'm disappointed. And only one person from my raid group isn't.
1) Bungie always announces every new change like it's the Second Coming (holy shit, old raids are back? let's stream this! new content!)
2) people don't expect too much from Bungie so they are happy even if changes are small
All these things happened during that stream.
It's also funny for me to read how "this stream is for fans of Destiny who were happy to see it". Well, fan of Destiny here, I'm disappointed. And only one person from my raid group isn't.
benicillin
Banned
The more I think about it, the more Destiny 2 feels like the problem Valve had with L4D1 and L4D2.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The biggest bullet points, after all, were talking about the rebalances classes and rebalanced weapon systems. Which couldve been done in D1
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This.
Are the new features in Destiny 2 impressive? Yes. But, for me personally, it's not doing anything relatively new to warrant being called a sequel. Nothing that, say, a rather large expansion couldn't do.
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I think the inherent problem is that Destiny is basically almost an MMO, so the idea of a sequel in the first place just doesn't register for a lot of people.
I KNOW it's not an expansion. But, if everyone is saying it looks like DLC, I'm asking if it would be easier to swallow for these people simply for the distinction. I'm trying to guage peoples perceptions, and you're just being a jerk about it.
no.
just because a bunch of morons point at a circle and call it a square does not mean I am going to call a circle a square.
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
HALO 2 looked like HALO. I really expected more here. Sure they added some stuff and fancied up the skins, but if you look at it, it is pretty much HALO. I expected a lot more from HALO 2, like exploding unicorns and a completely redone game and not the continuation of a very popular game.
Tranqueris
Banned
If the reviews described it as the reverse of the first Destiny, by which I mean, content with tons of depth and worlds that don't have only a handful of missions. Social features that should have been in the first game and stuff like that, then sure.
Killer Queen
Banned
You called me naive then complained I'm being a jerk? Okay
If you're saying if it was actually an expansion then fine, but then the next question would be why am I paying $60 for this? I wouldn't feel any better about it.
But if you're saying what if they just called it an "expansion" then that's different. Sorry if I misunderstood your intentions but you were a bit vague.
Kor of Memory
Member
Oh certainly. Bungie clearly shifted the game plan after launch and this adjustment was never going to be easy for them.
Yes, I'd feel better if it were an xpac, if only because it would've tempered my expectations.
Make no mistake, I'll get the game, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the gunplay, and I guess I need to give up on getting the WoW x Halo game I was hoping for.
It didn't help that I fell back into the habit of watching Broman and Goth most days at work for background noise, which led to a never ending stream of "Guys, Luke Smith played WoW for YEARS, this is going to be huge, crafting, super hardcore MMO stuff". Kind of funny watching them backpedal in the last 36 hours and flip to "Of course it's more of the same, what did you expect, jeez," at least from the little bit I've watched since the reveal.
AzureFlame
Member
my expectations were like we are going from FFXIV to ARR kind of change, but it looked more like a Destiny Expansion, and im totally satisfied and done with D1.
chronic_archaic
Member
Halo 2 redefined console multiplayer - I think that's way more than Destiny 2 could hope to achieve.
Glass Shark
Banned
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Billy_Pilgrim
Member
I think the real issue is that many people hoped that Destiny 2 would fix a lot of the problems they had with Destiny, and the truth is that they're not really changing the core game very much at all.
DryvBy
Member
Not all games, but for games that have huge budgets I'd expect that. Absolutely.
Uh, excluding level design, graphic improvements like bump mapping, and the ability to fly in multiplayer, it added dual wielding and online gameplay. Halo 1 and 2 is like Diablo 1 and 2. It's a pretty big leap.
the full shitty base game is still the full shitty base game.
unlike ffxiv where the full shitty 1.0 base game got completely reworked into a pretty good 2.0 base game
they also managed to canonize the transition which was impressive
What a weird thing to say.
A game doesn't have to redefine anything to be great.
Killer Queen
Banned
It is. And thank you, so do you apparently.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
uh those are improvements that could or should be possible for Destiny 1.
That wasn't the question.
Dylan Sexbang
Banned
I mean. Cmon. My friend who is pretty damn excited for it called it an expansion. And that's why he liked it. Whereas that's why I don't like it. I expected more. Hell, two out of theee subclasses are nearly identical- unless you are a hunter where the new Poledancer is Bladedancer again.
Another three years of the same exact supers we had in Destiny. Like, at least put more effort forward. That's what I personally expected, and why I was so worried about the prospect of a "Destiny 2".
In a sequel, I honestly would've expected 3 whole new subclasses for each class, sure they expanded on the abilities a little, but here I am as a Titan. Still throwing hammers, still slamming the ground, except now I trade out Ward of Dawn for the relic from VoG
Like goddamnit Bungie, you had more diversity in going from Equipment in Halo 3 to AAs in Reach'
Another three years of the same exact supers we had in Destiny. Like, at least put more effort forward. That's what I personally expected, and why I was so worried about the prospect of a "Destiny 2".
In a sequel, I honestly would've expected 3 whole new subclasses for each class, sure they expanded on the abilities a little, but here I am as a Titan. Still throwing hammers, still slamming the ground, except now I trade out Ward of Dawn for the relic from VoG
Like goddamnit Bungie, you had more diversity in going from Equipment in Halo 3 to AAs in Reach'
chronic_archaic
Member
I was making a point that Halo 2 was more of a new game than Destiny 2 based on that alone and using Halo is a poor comparison.
We haven't even played D2 yet so we can't make the call anyway.
Kor of Memory
Member
That's not the issue at all. The issue is simply that so far nothing about Destiny 2 seems to make it feel like a solid sequel. All the main features for the game seem to be balancing changes or quality of life improvements. These things aren't typical for a sequel in the FPS genre.
Really, the only place that those changes would be normal for a "sequel" is for a sports title, and we all know how much criticism those get.
benicillin
Banned
The similarities are remarkable! It's all coming back to me now. "Why couldn't they just do this in L4D1?" "Why is this a new game and not just DLC?" "Valve is just reskinning a bunch of stuff" "All the enemies are basically the same"
It was literally impossible because of the way the infrastructure was set up for the backwards compatibility.
Towards the end the engineers were squeezing every bit out of the memory that they could.
brianjones
Member
molnizzle
Member
I was expecting at least one new full class. Or at least 100% different subclasses for the current 3. At least one full new enemy faction, not just new units for the current ones. And god dammit, would it have killed them to do new loading screen animations? After all the collective hours I spent watching the same ship animation in D1, I sure would appreciate something different to look at.
Honestly it comes down to recency bias. People think of year 3, expansion howevermany destiny 1 instead of day 1 destiny when making the comparison and look at the amount of content there and their minds can't comprehend that destiny 1 was patched over the course of multiple years with content additions.
destiny 2 has 4 zones advertised as being at least double the size of any playable area they made before with zones ACTUALLY HAVING GAMEPLAY unlike destiny 1. patrol beacons and farming materials and the incredibly rare world events were the entirety of patrol content in destiny at launch. destiny 2 brings sidequests(beacon replacements, obviously), dungeons, actual npc interaction, on top of the fact that there are still scripted world events and the like from the first game. they're adding more to do in the world. that shit literally didn't exist in the first game by the time most people quit.
destiny 2 will launch with at least the total amount of strikes as launch destiny 1, and yeah the strike they previewed didn't blow me away with mechanics but that was very likely the max level normal mode version of that strike. i would like to see more boss mechanics and they hyped up the "3 phase boss fight" a bit too much there. only the second phase really had an actual mechanic to it so hopefully they work on making each strike feel like it's own unique thing instead of the dog shit that was winter's runs final boss
destiny 2 will launch with an entire new suite of multiplayer maps and modes. destiny 2 will have an actual story campaign. you can say "but the taken king and crotas end had that too!" but the taken kings campaign wasn't close to the length of the base campaign, and it's fucking super obvious that we're not getting a fuckin dlc length amount of campaign missions from a titled sequel.
likely 100+ new weapons, new weapon types, new subclass game play with changes to current subclasses.. there's content there. i'd like to see NEW subclasses added on top of the old because of extra variety but i think adding a new class entirely would put the games 3 player fireteams at odds if something happened to be super broken op.
i want to see the depth of their on-world gameplay mechanics and i want to see the raid launch sooner since half the casual playerbase was long gone before vault of glass was released but that's really just me being pedantic.
destiny 2 has 4 zones advertised as being at least double the size of any playable area they made before with zones ACTUALLY HAVING GAMEPLAY unlike destiny 1. patrol beacons and farming materials and the incredibly rare world events were the entirety of patrol content in destiny at launch. destiny 2 brings sidequests(beacon replacements, obviously), dungeons, actual npc interaction, on top of the fact that there are still scripted world events and the like from the first game. they're adding more to do in the world. that shit literally didn't exist in the first game by the time most people quit.
destiny 2 will launch with at least the total amount of strikes as launch destiny 1, and yeah the strike they previewed didn't blow me away with mechanics but that was very likely the max level normal mode version of that strike. i would like to see more boss mechanics and they hyped up the "3 phase boss fight" a bit too much there. only the second phase really had an actual mechanic to it so hopefully they work on making each strike feel like it's own unique thing instead of the dog shit that was winter's runs final boss
destiny 2 will launch with an entire new suite of multiplayer maps and modes. destiny 2 will have an actual story campaign. you can say "but the taken king and crotas end had that too!" but the taken kings campaign wasn't close to the length of the base campaign, and it's fucking super obvious that we're not getting a fuckin dlc length amount of campaign missions from a titled sequel.
likely 100+ new weapons, new weapon types, new subclass game play with changes to current subclasses.. there's content there. i'd like to see NEW subclasses added on top of the old because of extra variety but i think adding a new class entirely would put the games 3 player fireteams at odds if something happened to be super broken op.
i want to see the depth of their on-world gameplay mechanics and i want to see the raid launch sooner since half the casual playerbase was long gone before vault of glass was released but that's really just me being pedantic.