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Gordon Shumway
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(03-26-2017, 10:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Firemind

Honestly, BvS's main problem wasn't the storytelling. It was the editing.

For the most part, I'd agree..for the most part.
Sanjaaaaaaaay
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(03-26-2017, 10:40 PM)

Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway

For the most part, I'd agree..for the most part.

Editing provides storytelling.
MugiwaraCole
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(03-26-2017, 10:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Firemind

Honestly, BvS's main problem wasn't the storytelling. It was the editing.

Ehhh.

I've seen the director's cut. It wasn't all on the studio.
Firemind
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(03-26-2017, 10:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

Ehhh.

I've seen the director's cut. It wasn't all on the studio.

If you edit out the Knightmare scene, emails and cut down on Lois snooping around, you still get the same runtime as the theatrical cut but with more cohesiveness and better pacing in the middle.
MugiwaraCole
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(03-26-2017, 10:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Firemind

If you edit out the Knightmare scene, emails and cut down on Lois snooping around, you still get the same runtime as the theatrical cut but with more cohesiveness and better pacing in the middle.

That doesn't fix the characters.
Gordon Shumway
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(03-26-2017, 11:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sanjaaaaaaaay

Editing provides storytelling.

Is there a question here?
Corpsepyre
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(03-26-2017, 11:00 PM)
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YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.
Firemind
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(03-26-2017, 11:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

That doesn't fix the characters.

I thought the characterization was fine. Even Lex. Could have done with less ding ding ding though.
Gordon Shumway
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(03-26-2017, 11:04 PM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.

Ummm..Maybe a little much. Just a smidge..

Originally Posted by Firemind

I thought the characterization was fine. Even Lex. Could have done with less ding ding ding though.

I could have done with less this
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IconGrist
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(03-26-2017, 11:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Firemind

I thought the characterization was fine. Even Lex. Could have done with less ding ding ding though.

See Gordon? Sometimes it was just the DING DING DING, lol.
Gordon Shumway
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(03-26-2017, 11:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by The Icon

See Gordon? Sometimes it was just the DING DING DING, lol.

LOL
Corpsepyre
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(03-26-2017, 11:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by ReiGun

If anything makes me more hopeful for Justice League, it's that it seems like a very "back to basics" superhero story, which is where a think Synder will shine. Synder, as a director, is the definition of "one's reach exceeding their grasp." Despite some people treating him like he's just a mindless idiot, everything about his interviews and his work suggest he is actually a very intelligent - if ineloquent - guy. He wants his movies to say something, to comment on all the things he thinks about daily.

Problem is, his skills as a storyteller just aren't up to snuff for his films to properly convey what he wants them to. He works best when he has a simple idea to see through, and when he can indulge in showing spectacle. The past two Justice League trailers suggest that is exactly what he intends to do with this movie.

Compare the Comic Con teaser and the newest trailer to Man of Steel's quietly comtemplative teaser or BVS's angry, suspenseful first trailer. Even then, you could tell Zack wanted to get across some big ideas with those movies. How effective he was is up for debate, but the intent was there. With JL, the biggest idea is "the Justice League is awesome." Assuming the plot is as straightforward as it seems, this might be Synder's best chance to play perfectly to his strengths and really deliver.

Good analysis. It's how I look at it as well. I don't want the film to be bogged down by existentialism and all that jazz. I have Watchmen, BvS for that. I want a straight-up balls to the wall, pedal to the metal superhero team-up flick where there's a threat, superheroes get together to fight it, and they also happen to get along. Doesn't mean we can't incorporate Morrison-esque massive extra-dimensional ideas, but I guess we'll leave that for now. Sequel maybe. :P
broncobuster
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(03-26-2017, 11:43 PM)
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I have some naive hope with lines like "age of heroes" that it'll aspire to have grand ideas at its core. But just because I'm partial to Morrison's take doesn't mean I can't enjoy a JL International-vibe movie.

While I'm sorta lukewarm on it for now, the trailer made me less concerned about the humor and all. Batman's lines totally sound like sardonic Batman lines.
thehypocrite
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(03-27-2017, 12:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by MugiwaraCole

That doesn't fix the characters.

Which characters? All?
Leo_Sagittarius
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(03-27-2017, 12:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.


Someone page AV Club!
Ninjimbo
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(03-27-2017, 12:25 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.

I love Larry but DAMN
Platy
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(03-27-2017, 01:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.

Passion and commitment sure .... ability ? that can be discussed =P
Firemind
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(03-27-2017, 02:04 AM)
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this song is earworm i've been humming it all day but when i got home to listen to it properly

he roller coaster, he got early warning
he got muddy water, he one mojo filter
he say one and one and one is three
got to be good looking cause he's so hard to see
come together, right now, over me
shoot
shoot
shoot
shoot

did john lennon wrote a song about bukkake?
Gordon Shumway
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(03-27-2017, 02:07 AM)
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🙄..😐..😕
BadAss2961
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(03-27-2017, 03:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.

Tell'em Larry.

Originally Posted by ReiGun

If anything makes me more hopeful for Justice League, it's that it seems like a very "back to basics" superhero story, which is where a think Synder will shine. Synder, as a director, is the definition of "one's reach exceeding their grasp." Despite some people treating him like he's just a mindless idiot, everything about his interviews and his work suggest he is actually a very intelligent - if ineloquent - guy. He wants his movies to say something, to comment on all the things he thinks about daily.

Problem is, his skills as a storyteller just aren't up to snuff for his films to properly convey what he wants them to. He works best when he has a simple idea to see through, and when he can indulge in showing spectacle. The past two Justice League trailers suggest that is exactly what he intends to do with this movie.

Compare the Comic Con teaser and the newest trailer to Man of Steel's quietly comtemplative teaser or BVS's angry, suspenseful first trailer. Even then, you could tell Zack wanted to get across some big ideas with those movies. How effective he was is up for debate, but the intent was there. With JL, the biggest idea is "the Justice League is awesome." Assuming the plot is as straightforward as it seems, this might be Synder's best chance to play perfectly to his strengths and really deliver.

Agreed
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Gordon Shumway
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(03-27-2017, 03:44 AM)
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lol..
J_Viper
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(03-27-2017, 03:50 AM)
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Man, that BvS Comic-Con trailer still gives me chills
Ross61
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(03-27-2017, 05:08 AM)
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I can definitely see this getting the same type of reception another WB blockbuster, King:Skull Island, got. That is unless the standards are different.
jrush64
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(03-27-2017, 05:13 AM)
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I can't get that damn Come Together song out of my head. Thanks Justice League.
LionPride
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(03-27-2017, 05:21 AM)
I like the idea of Aquaman being a brolic ass beer drinking, uncouth son of a bitch

As I watch the trailer, I realize how nice the movie looks rn. Won't get caught up, but it looks nice.

Fuck that cover of Come Together tho, no Micahel Jackson cover, no care.
foolia
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(03-27-2017, 05:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre



YIKES!!!!! I can already see the headlines piling up.

Can't see the image. What is it?
Smokey_Run
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(03-27-2017, 05:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Foolia

Can't see the image. What is it?

The image in the post you quoted? Larry tweeting back at someone saying if they doubt Zack gives 110% he'd slit their throats.
Ninjimbo
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(03-27-2017, 06:07 AM)
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I'm fine with JL being a "lighter" film, but I still want Snyder to give me something a little deeper than what the genre is currently offering. BvS is the best movie he's ever made partially because he showed some restraint and took his time weaving a story and exploring concepts that seemed to only exist in the meta. It really surprised me and I want to see some of that in JL. I want Zack to show me something I've never seen before. If he could somehow tell a serious story amidst all the crazy goofy stuff happening onscreen, that would be special.
foolia
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(03-27-2017, 06:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Smokey_Run

The image in the post you quoted? Larry tweeting back at someone saying if they doubt Zack gives 110% he'd slit their throats.

Oh damn :D
IconGrist
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(03-27-2017, 06:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by foolia

Oh damn :D

Yea, I get he wants to defend his friend but that might be a bit much.
Raptor
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(03-27-2017, 06:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ross61

I can definitely see this getting the same type of reception another WB blockbuster, King:Skull Island, got. That is unless the standards are different.

If this ia kong good im buying 3 copies.
Yager
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(03-27-2017, 08:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lion_Sagittarius

I'm still holding on to the hope they'll enhance the CG until the movie releases, we shall see..

Nah, it will look worse.
foolia
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(03-27-2017, 10:09 AM)
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https://twitter.com/znyderlex/status/845473339032440833

our lord and savior on rollerblades
Yager
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(03-27-2017, 11:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by foolia

https://twitter.com/znyderlex/status/845473339032440833

our lord and savior on rollerblades

The Kubrick of our time.
bryanee
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(03-27-2017, 01:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by foolia

https://twitter.com/znyderlex/status/845473339032440833

our lord and savior on rollerblades

I wasnt quite expecting that. lol great.
Ninjimbo
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(03-27-2017, 03:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by foolia

https://twitter.com/znyderlex/status/845473339032440833

our lord and savior on rollerblades

Lol awesome.
GuitarAtomik
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(03-27-2017, 03:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by LionPride

I like the idea of Aquaman being a brolic ass beer drinking, uncouth son of a bitch

Yeah. I wasn't expecting that and I know it's pretty different than how he's usually depicted, but it was working for me. Mostly because of Momoa I think.

Actually in some ways it kind of feels (and looks) like an AquaLobo lol. I'm ok with that.
IconGrist
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(03-27-2017, 08:08 PM)
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So I just got back from Power Rangers. When I took my daughter to see it this morning this was not a sentence I expected to hear from her but no lies detected.

"Dad, you can see her boobies."
Firemind
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(03-27-2017, 08:16 PM)
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Is everyone getting their user name changed or something? Well, stop it.
Leo_Sagittarius
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(03-27-2017, 08:24 PM)
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Everytime I rewatch that Aquaman / Batman exchange at the end of the trailer is like a sneak peek of a future banter between Bruce and Hal Jordan, love it.
Penguin
(03-27-2017, 08:33 PM)
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Think the most fascinating aspect of the Justice League trailer, to me, is the fact that Bruce not Batman ends up recruiting the League members. Since secret identities are always such a big deal to him!
Gordon Shumway
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(03-27-2017, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Think the most fascinating aspect of the Justice League trailer, to me, is the fact that Bruce not Batman ends up recruiting the League members. Since secret identities are always such a big deal to him!

Like y'all say, Snyder's Batman/Superman..😉
guek
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(03-27-2017, 08:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Think the most fascinating aspect of the Justice League trailer, to me, is the fact that Bruce not Batman ends up recruiting the League members. Since secret identities are always such a big deal to him!

Snyder clearly doesn't care about them though so it's not too surprising.
Ashhong
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(03-27-2017, 08:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Think the most fascinating aspect of the Justice League trailer, to me, is the fact that Bruce not Batman ends up recruiting the League members. Since secret identities are always such a big deal to him!

It is? But there's that scene where he just calls out everyone and their secret identity. Might be cool if only Bruce knows everyone's identity and they can have that scene one day
Kenzodielocke
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(03-27-2017, 08:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by guek

Snyder clearly doesn't care about them though so it's not too surprising.

Comics and shows are inherently flawed in that regard. You don't trust a man that doesn't reveal his true identity and hides behind a mask, especially when you are supposed to work with them. Also, Bruce is eager to get them on the team fast, no time for games.
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broncobuster
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(03-27-2017, 09:02 PM)
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BvS to JL Parademon comparison,

and compare the JL Parademon's torso to Cyborg's,

Ashhong
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I wonder if there will be a storyline where because Cyborg is created by a motherbox, his body needs to somehow be destroyed or whatever because it's dangerous. Might be a good way to change his design. Have Bruce or Silas come up with an actual cyborg/robotic body after
BlackGoku03
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(03-27-2017, 09:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kenzodielocke

Comics and shows are inherentl flawed in that regard. You don't trust a man that doesn't reveal his true identity and hides behind a mask, especially when you are supposed to work with them. Also, Bruce is eager to get them on the team fast, no time for games.

Even in the JL cartoon Bruce reveals everyone's identity to everyone.

You're right. It's a silly concept that's been beat to death.
guek
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(03-27-2017, 09:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kenzodielocke

Comics and shows are inherentl flawed in that regard. You don't trust a man that doesn't reveal his true identity and hides behind a mask, especially when you are supposed to work with them. Also, Bruce is eager to get them on the team fast, no time for games.

Agreed, though I do think Snyder made a mistake being so careless with the concept in BvS and MoS. Marvel has had the good fortune up to Spider-man of not using any characters where secret identities are a substantial part of their backstory.
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(03-27-2017, 09:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by guek

Agreed, though I do think Snyder made a mistake being so careless with the concept in BvS and MoS. Marvel has had the good fortune up to Spider-man of not using any characters where secret identities are a substantial part of their backstory.

What was careless about those movies? Serious question. Especially in BvS, unless you mean Batman and Superman knowing each other?

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