Stripping away DX11 features could put it at Wii level. Especially for games made from the ground up for it.
What about 720p/60fps locked games?
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Wii U has 2GB of DDR3 RAM, [Up: RAM 43% slower than 360/PS3 RAM]
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Stripping away DX11 features could put it at Wii level. Especially for games made from the ground up for it.
What about 720p/60fps locked games?
ShadowFox08
Member
BO2 on Wii U apparently runs 720p at least.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Most of the next gen xbox/ps games will run at 1080p
I'll cut my left sack off if they run at 720, considering that the next consoles are rumored to be extremly powerful
This I imagine. But is it also cooler? Nintendo seem hung up on that.
In all fairness the GPU is much more modern and it has an expensive touchscreen controller. We really need to wait to hear about the rest of the system. And more importantly we need to sees one games that push the machine.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
I feel like this, look like ports will need much more effort to get good looking and running. (because of the bandwith, so remapping to Edram and speeding up CPU with remapping to GPU functions)They will need to rewrite cpu code to run on the gpu to take advantage of the Wii U. I bet none of the port houses will do that so it looks like Nintendo did a Sony (CELL to much effort needed), shitty ports confirmed.
It will just take to much effort to do. And to much money for a port.
To bad really
Definitely. But still, on par or weaker system (possibly?) to a 7 year old system being sold at a loss...it just sounds weird.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Costs reasons. It's always that. Even if they saved $5 on that RAM it makes difference when you produce 30M units.
Also: Wiipad is IMO eating the bulk of the console BOM. And it looks and feels so janky...
You'd have a point if I ever claimed to have "facts". The first "facts" I recognize about Wii U hardware are in this thread.
I only said something to the effect of all evidence we had pointing strongly towards the CPU being lower clocked (lower clocked, I didn't even say anything about its performance!) than PS3/360, and that already stirred the hornet nest for a few pages.
I just don't understand that part honestly. A cheap android tablet with actual processing HW inside is <$80 at retail.
They won't run at 1080p because developers will always use that extra fillrate for more graphical effects instead.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Yeah, please come with a source on that one. It wouldn't make any sense if that was the case
Because they use a completely different memory layout. There's a reason the DDR3 is called MEM2. The eDRAM is MEM1, that's the "main" RAM. It's basically an evolution of the Wii memory layout.
IrishNinja
Member
well
i dont know bout the lot of you, but seeing these lowly #'s guarantees i will cannot possibly enjoy mario later today
i adored the gamecube, but their most creative console recycled bits from its prior iteration, used motion controls as the primary input, and ate everyone else's lunch.
i dont know bout the lot of you, but seeing these lowly #'s guarantees i will cannot possibly enjoy mario later today
i adored the gamecube, but their most creative console recycled bits from its prior iteration, used motion controls as the primary input, and ate everyone else's lunch.
Burn everything.
No.they aren't. At least in any believable rumor I've seen.
MadeInBeats
Banned
So many experts in this thread. Are you and the other experts willing to ban bet these specs are factually accurate and harbour all the connotations implied?
Place your bets NOW. Or pipe down.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Maybe numbers on a chip aren't the whole story? Not that this would translate in a machine beating a top of the line PC or anything outrageous, but the usual suspects already raging it's weaker than PS360 over this tidbit are being a tiny bit too obvious (& funny).
In fear of enthusiast console GAF/B3D tearing them apart for weaker hardware.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
No, they won't. Most wont
I can run almost any single game out there at 1080p 60fps on my current pc.
I'll still never understand why people are so shocked about any of this.
Iwata told everyone 8 years ago that Nintendo were leaving the hardware arms race. And he's said it over and over again. They saw development costs rising, and who their competitors were, and said "Damn, we can't go down a road where competitive advantage comes in the form of who can afford to lose the most amount of money on consoles. We need to take a step back and readjust."
And that's exactly what they did. They pressed pause on hardware improvement for a generation, because the costs didn't go in their favour if they continued down the same road as Microsoft and Sony.
The fact that there's so much hand wringing about it is just weird to me. Especially when you read the threads on here about development costs, where the overwhelming response seems to be "lol game industry is doomed, budgets are too high!!"
Well this is a direct response to that.
Besides, people buying consoles for power are weird in the first place. Get a PC like us cool kids.
Iwata told everyone 8 years ago that Nintendo were leaving the hardware arms race. And he's said it over and over again. They saw development costs rising, and who their competitors were, and said "Damn, we can't go down a road where competitive advantage comes in the form of who can afford to lose the most amount of money on consoles. We need to take a step back and readjust."
And that's exactly what they did. They pressed pause on hardware improvement for a generation, because the costs didn't go in their favour if they continued down the same road as Microsoft and Sony.
The fact that there's so much hand wringing about it is just weird to me. Especially when you read the threads on here about development costs, where the overwhelming response seems to be "lol game industry is doomed, budgets are too high!!"
Well this is a direct response to that.
Besides, people buying consoles for power are weird in the first place. Get a PC like us cool kids.
This lack of confidence in the product is what's shameful.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Maybe Nintendo purposely labelled up newer faster RAM with an older slower RAM's product code and info!!!!!!!!!
Iwata in the second quarter financial results Q&A. He also says that he can't say when they will start to turn a profit on the hardware alone, but they expect the Wii U business as a whole (software + hardware) to start turning a profit within the next fiscal year.
Yes, I'm sure they're terrified.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Yes they are. Atleast the next playstation will be. What rumor is saying that it wont be?
+1, Im with you ;P
Horse Armour
Member
Yeah and all the games you're running on your PC are at best glorified 360 ports. Would you be able to run something like Samaritan at 1080p/60FPS? No.
The PS3 base model costs $250 at Best Buy. The Wii U costs $300, has 4 times the RAM, better GPU and a tablet controller.
The PS3 came out a year after the 360, cost what, $599, and is practically speaking worse, especially for multiplatform releases.
Those Sony engineers!
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
How is that what you got from my post? Is English not your native language? It isn't mine but I'm pretty sure I didn't say or imply anything close to that. Do you need some help with reading? Can a GAFer with English as his main language help this guy, please?
This would be brilliant. Maybe the lowered confidence in the Wii U specs would prompt Sony/MS to slash their next-gen console specs accordingly, bridging the gap even more.
The most recent A10 rumor.
The old confirmed xbox stats could easily target 1080 and the newer 'slightly' confirmed PS4 stats could too.
Eh, not really. The jump from DX9 to DX10 is pretty big, but the jump from DX10 to DX11 is relatively small. Since the WiiU's GPU is rumoured to be DX10.1 compliant (2008-2009 GPU?), it really shouldn't have too many issues since the architecture wouldn't be that outdated compared to the other next gen platforms.
I'm more than willing to bet anything you'd like that these are the chips used in the system and that PCPer didn't somehow manipulate their images to display different serial numbers. As for "implications", I'm willing to do the same for everything I said in this thread, I obviously can't vouch for other people's opinions.
We are not discussing sales here.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
How many devs are going to make their games look like the Samarian demo? Not many
I think epic are going to aim for 1080p@30fps with the samarian
I really don't see Wii U versions of PS4/720 games being a commonality in the long run. It's gonna be all Nintendo, all the time like the Wii. I'm expecting a pretty sizable dropoff in support when those consoles are finally out.
You forgot SNES Vs. Genesis
Revisionist history
It will be topped on UE4
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'm not sure how saying "numbers on a chip dont mean everything!" where in this case they literally mean it has slower RAM than the 360 and PS3. Theres not going to be some magical protoplasm oozing out of the system because the RAM's just there as a red herring and the Wii U actually operates on bio-organic communication modules. This is the teardown, now there is nowhere to hide. Welcome to phase one: denial (with an exotic sprinkling of MAYBE ENGLISH ISN'T YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE BUT...)
Any better than avarge pc can play games at 1080p without problems so i don't see why next gen games couldn't achieve that or even better.
It's only Wii U that will be using 720p for most of games.
As of difference 480p vs 720p vs 1080p it is very noticable. Aspect ratio is the same but difference between 720p vs 1080p is clear.
It is not only diffrence in resolution but also dev will use now higer resolution textures.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
Link?
if that was true, why did people buy the 3ds when the ds was still on sale, same for xbox/xbox360, ps1/ps2/ps3. tech matters.
MatthewB92
Member
Truth.
Dude, you came to a thread that is exactly about tech. Exactly.
MadeInBeats
Banned
Confirmation of the chip code and what it means, at this moment, seems iffy to say the least(something about there's a G no a g, 3rd character is an M, the .pdf says yes, it's the same code on the 360 chip blah blah blah.) But of course GAF knows exactly what it means.
I think this is a good post, but surely this only extends so far. If Wii U ends up being even weaker than the current 7 Y.O hardware, then surely they have cut too far to the bone in their configuration. A slight downgrade on the speed of the RAM and the CPU could be the difference between a whole lot of 3rd party support and very little, and that's potentially problematic for both Nintendo and the consumers.