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So what sells more Injustice 2 or Marvel vs Capcom: Infinity?
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You realize that they're all MCU, right?
Also, beyond Batman & Superman, Marvel's running the show in the eyes of the average joe. That said, I still expect Injustice 2 to do better.
Nether Realm Studios games resonate much more with a general audience. The ease of picking it up and playing it, the single player content, the high production values are unrivaled.
MvCI has none of that, although I'm sure it will appeal to the Evo crowd to a far bigger degree.
Outside of Smash Brothers, there isn't a fighting series that can sell as much as Mortal Kombat or Injustice.
MvCI has none of that, although I'm sure it will appeal to the Evo crowd to a far bigger degree.
Outside of Smash Brothers, there isn't a fighting series that can sell as much as Mortal Kombat or Injustice.
Calling the FGC a non-factor is kind of inaccurate considering NRS and Namco still want their games in the big tournaments. Direct sales, maybe, the community isn't that big of a chunk in sales but without the community these games would have a fraction of their current visibility.
As far as the ease of play argument goes, I've always found that just to be a parroted perception more than anything. Injustice was essentially Street Fighter with Mortal Kombat physics and I wouldn't at all say that the game is simpler than SF5.
Also people keep underestimating the profitability of a long lasting community. If the FGC wasnt important you wouldnt see NRS and Namco dumping money to get their games big in tourneys. People who are invested in the game are likely to spend a lot on DLC and merchandise. Its a lot more profitability per person than someone buying a game for $20 on a sale and just playing it for a few hours.
That said I expect IJ2 to sell more than MvC I (IF MvC launches with no big issues like SFV) , but maybe 1-1.5m copies more at best. "A TON" more is what I would describe the Smash games since they are in the 8-10m range.
Tekken 6 - 3.9m
SFIV - 3.5m
SSFIV ( Only including standalone AE,Ultra and not DLC) - 5m+
I dont think its the franchise that holds back other series. Its the fact that they dont have that WB games Sugar daddy like NRS does.
The fuk kinda hyperbole is this? One stinky SFV release and suddenly NRS sells a "Ton" more? MK9,SFIV,IJ1,MVC3 were all very comparable and more or less within the same ballpark. MvC3 being harder to judge since UMvC3 came out literally months later. That said they both did 2.2m and 1.2m respectively.
That said I expect IJ2 to sell more than MvC I (IF MvC launches with no big issues like SFV) , but maybe 1-1.5m copies more at best. "A TON" more is what I would describe the Smash games since they are in the 8-10m range.
Tekken 6 - 3.9m
SFIV - 3.5m
SSFIV ( Only including standalone AE,Ultra and not DLC) - 5m+
I dont think its the franchise that holds back other series. Its the fact that they dont have that WB games Sugar daddy like NRS does.
Wow, you have no idea what you are talking about. DC can't make or sell anything good that doesn't involve Batman.
What did he mean by this?
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I think Injustice easy due to how well NRS is cultivating the casual audience and can cater to their demands alongside the competitive crowd. They innovate with single player content (which Tekken does successfully too) already, but the new gear system is on a whole nother level. Taking mobile game sensibilities and injecting them to every play session will be so popular.
Also the much larger budget will help Injustice immensely
Also the much larger budget will help Injustice immensely
Are you saying SFV would've done close to 5million had it not been the way it was? Barring any sequels or rereleases, I consider 3 million as a cap for Capcoms fighting game releases nowadays (in a single year).
I feel like fighting games are not as popular as they were in the 09-11 era. I don't know any solid numbers to back this, but anecdotally looking at tournament or casual streams, KOF14 seems to have lesser exposure than 13, guilty gear is doing worse than Blazblue back then, sfv isnt everywhere like sf4 was. Competitively NRS will have it's loyalists but in public mindspace they get bigger by the release it seems.
5 mil is significantly more than 3mil. I don't expect injustice to do 5 million though. I expect Ij2 to do about 4 million and MVCI <2million
OsirisBlack
Banned
Both games have Future dlc characters ij2 has the ultimate edition which gives you their dlc characters over the course of the year and MvCI had their season pass. Only ij2 has day 1 char dlc in Darkseid to my knowledge.
Lightbreaker
Neo Member
Copies sold.
I said "one of" not " the".
Are you sure? I know that both the tv and film line report to different people. If I'm wrong, I do apologize.
Wanting your game to be a part of something is all good and nice, but that doesn't wipe away the fact that in sales, the FGC would be considered a non-factor.
Lightbreaker
Neo Member
Yet, DC comics are outpacing Marvel's comics most of the time.
(I'm not saying your fact isn't correct, I'm saying that it isn't always the truth).
ScatheZombie
Member
Injustice 2 will sell more but the community will fall off a cliff after a month or two.
MvC:I will sell less but the community will still be going strong 5+ years later.
The top 8 DC comics last month were all either Batman directly (Batman, Detective Comics, All-Star Batman, Dark Knight) or including Batman (Justice League).
Whereas Marvel's top 8 include... Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Star Wars, X-Men, Inhumans, and Deadpool.
Sure, on average, DC outpaces Marvel; but it's also pretty clear that they lean heavily - almost exclusively - on Batman in the top 10.
MvC:I will sell less but the community will still be going strong 5+ years later.
The top 8 DC comics last month were all either Batman directly (Batman, Detective Comics, All-Star Batman, Dark Knight) or including Batman (Justice League).
Whereas Marvel's top 8 include... Spider-Man, Iron Fist, Star Wars, X-Men, Inhumans, and Deadpool.
Sure, on average, DC outpaces Marvel; but it's also pretty clear that they lean heavily - almost exclusively - on Batman in the top 10.
No I would have expected SFV to do maybe 3.5m had it launched with way more content like MKX and no launch issues and also on all 3 platforms. Even Capcom expected it to sell 2m within the first 2 months. But given the state it was in , that was impossible.
1-1.5m more sales is not "A TON" more. People here are acting like NRS games are in Smash territory.
That said Capcom expects MvCI to do 2M in 2 months. So Idk what makes them believe that , maybe a lot more content at E3? or Maybe Marvel going big on marketing.
This... Guarantee people will be playing MVC:I 2 years from now, can't say the same about Injustice 2.
You might want to take a look at those horrible and supremely ugly Injustice 2 character models again.
The split didn't occur until recently, so the TV shows are still tied to the MCU (with SHIELD having the strongest ties). Hell, Feige even worked on Agent Carter (on ABC).
This, basically. Though I'd give Injustice 2 about 1.5-2 years rather than 1-2 months thanks to NRS improving their support of the FGC.
Lightbreaker
Neo Member
Ahh, okay. I apologize.
What did he mean by this?
Member
I think this will end up a Melee/Brawl situation. MvCI being Brawl. MvC3 being Melee.
Why do NRS, Capcom and Namco want their games to be played at FGC events if the community is a non-factor? NRS could easily just not bother supporting their game and start work on their next title for instance like they did before SF4's release. There obviously is some (monetary) value to cultivating a community, otherwise you wouldn't see people bothering.
Don't sweat it, man. It's all good.
You might want to take a look at those horrible and supremely ugly Injustice 2 character models again.
I dont get how the cutscenes and super moves are so well animated. Yet in game animations ( Like Blocking,hitstun and general movement ) feel soo stiff and rigid.
Obliterator
Member
Injustice 2s character models are incredible. Male and female. This isn't MK9 / Injustice 1
You act as if Marvel & Capcom aren't gonna push MvCI in the FGC, something Nintendo didn't do for Brawl. That plus the gameplay still looks distinctly MvC, even though it's now easier to play.
BronsonLee
Member
I have no idea why this thread is still continuing since Capcom said they expect to sell 2 mil in the initial period
Even they're being more realistic with it
Even they're being more realistic with it
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
Nailed it.
Lightbreaker
Neo Member
I'm not saying that there isn't any value investing the FGC, all I'm saying is that I would be surprised if NRS didn't consider them as an afterthought.
Most of these games are going to make most of their sales in the first or second month, it would make sense if that was NRS's priority first.
LordOfLore
Banned
The Joker trailer passed the million mark in less than a day. The Darkseid trailer is getting there.
Edit: Correction, Darkseid is at 1.1 million and Joker has hit 1.5 already.
Edit: Correction, Darkseid is at 1.1 million and Joker has hit 1.5 already.
katsubento
Member
Injustice will sell more but Marvel will be the one that is a 'better' figuring game and will likely be played for much longer.
I'm not sure if you mean hardcore competitive community or general online community. I think most would agree the Marvel competitive community will have the longest legs, but that's mostly irrelevant to getting larger sales numbers.
However, if we are talking about community life, Injustice 2 has the potential to have a longer life in terms of an online player base than past NR games because of the vastly improved netcode right out of the gate. That has always been a huge hindrance to their sustainability.
Even if MvC:I has a 5+ year community online, but it's all elite players way above most people's skill levels and you can't get an even matchup, it becomes moot.
Hopefully both games do well because they are good products and meet their sales projections because it only benefits the genre when that happens.
Irishmantis
Member
She looks much better in motion than in a still, but yeah true
Advertisement. FGC tournaments happen nearly every weekend not to mention weeklies/monthlies, it's hundreds of thousands of eyeballs on your product showcased at the highest level possible.
I'm intrigued why folks think outside interest or disinterest in the MCU/DCEU/TV will effect folks interest in buying these games
I mean, it's a diff beast but having huge brands like Star Wars and Marvel didn't help Disney Infinity and that seemed a lot more approachable for your average Joe.
There's also that RPG coming out this year.
I don't think you'll be hurting to find Marvel content in gaming so not only avenue.
I do think game will sell well but don't think success or negativity around either universe will move the needle a ton.
I mean, it's a diff beast but having huge brands like Star Wars and Marvel didn't help Disney Infinity and that seemed a lot more approachable for your average Joe.
There's also that RPG coming out this year.
I don't think you'll be hurting to find Marvel content in gaming so not only avenue.
I do think game will sell well but don't think success or negativity around either universe will move the needle a ton.
In that case, NRS probably isn't happy that Injustice 2 won't get main Sunday stage exposure at EVO this year. Granted, the game will sell regardless, but it won't get as much competitive exposure as the Sunday games.
The Square Enix Avengers game won't be ready for this year.
Part of me really wanted to say that MvC:I will outsell, but then I realized that "Outselling" and "Being more popular" are two different things.
Don't get me wrong, Marvel definitely has the "Legacy" thing going for them and most likely people will be more than happy to yell out, "WHEN MARVEL!?" when they get the chance. However, with what happened with SFV and how that was handled, it does feel like an edge does go to Injustice 2 for being a more feasible fighter for casual fighters would enjoy more than MvC:I.
Now... If we were going to ask which game will last longer, then I would have to put my money on Marvel. Not to say that Injustice 2 won't last long, but with how NetherRealm has handled fighting games, the moment the new fighting game comes out, that's basically it for the game. Chances are that come E3 2018, we'll get word on MK11 and then when it comes out 2019, Injustice 2 will have their ultimate edition and all focus will change back to the flagship series. Not that this is a bad thing, but considering the pattern of "MK" "DC" "MK" "DC" that we've seen, it seems most likely that will be the case.
Going to be fun to see how things will shape up too when we look at this towards the end of the year (although it could be unfair to compare the games if there is a four month gap in between these two games)
Don't get me wrong, Marvel definitely has the "Legacy" thing going for them and most likely people will be more than happy to yell out, "WHEN MARVEL!?" when they get the chance. However, with what happened with SFV and how that was handled, it does feel like an edge does go to Injustice 2 for being a more feasible fighter for casual fighters would enjoy more than MvC:I.
Now... If we were going to ask which game will last longer, then I would have to put my money on Marvel. Not to say that Injustice 2 won't last long, but with how NetherRealm has handled fighting games, the moment the new fighting game comes out, that's basically it for the game. Chances are that come E3 2018, we'll get word on MK11 and then when it comes out 2019, Injustice 2 will have their ultimate edition and all focus will change back to the flagship series. Not that this is a bad thing, but considering the pattern of "MK" "DC" "MK" "DC" that we've seen, it seems most likely that will be the case.
Going to be fun to see how things will shape up too when we look at this towards the end of the year (although it could be unfair to compare the games if there is a four month gap in between these two games)
I meant Omega Heroes, but guess closer to a dungeon crawler
maybe scheduling seeing how both smash games always have huge number of entrees.
Im expecting IN2 to have strong legs at least in competitive online thanks to their new godly netcode.
They usually only put one smash game on Sunday (Smash wiiu this year) so I don't see why. The Sunday games are SFV, Blazblue, Smash wiiU, Tekken 7, and the game that got in through fan voting.
The last EVO entrant update we had had these games in the Top 4.
- Street Fighter V
- Smash 4
- Melee
- Tekken 7
That fan game is UMvC3.
lol what
mvc3 will never be the melee of this series, it already has one of those in mvc2
Understandable especially since NRS are notorious late preregs
JeTmAn81
Member
Nobody plays MVC2 anymore. MVC3 definitely could be the Melee of the series, MVCI is different enough that people will keep playing the last one as well.
PhilipDoesMatter
Member
Injustice 2 wont get my purchase. Hated the first game and this one seems no different. MvC on the other hand was probably the most anticipated game of my life so I want to believe it will sell more.
I don't know why community/tournament numbers are being spoken about in a thread about sales numbers. Regardless, most tournament fighters fall off a cliff within the first 6 months as "casual" players move on or back to their game and stop playing the new fighter. Only a few games see actual growth year 2 vs. year 1. Even SFV had a massive drop off, look at Final Round 19 (1021 entrants) last year vs. Final Round 20 (468 entrants) this year. You hear it a ton about NRS games but it's just how it usually goes.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Injustice 2 easily.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Isn't the roster in MvC:I the same size as Injustice 2? I'm sure both rosters will get a lot bigger via DLC/season passes. I don't think the general public is going to care too much that niche Capcom characters like Okami and Viewtiful Joe aren't there.