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A historic day for Norway as a nation
A historic day for Norway as a nation
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In Norway, women now hold all 3 top positions in gov (Prime, foreign, finance min.)
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I mean, most Swedes are already fluent in English...
Spaced Harrier
Member
Lmao, no you wouldn't, no one who says that means it.
astroturfing
Member
good start i guess. how many more positions to go..?
j/k
j/k
or am i
Zepp Twofist
Member
9/19 members of the cabinet are women, and the top three positions are women. It's hard to go further than that without flipping it in the other direction.
andythinkpad
Member
Big deal. Bangladesh has been doing it for decades.
Zepp Twofist
Member
Do you mean "police gunning down black people in the street for looking like thugs"-racist or "it's harder to get a job with a foreign name"-racist?
The latter, as in they hate foreigners. I'm not sure how they feel about brown and black people.
Zepp Twofist
Member
There are racists and xenophobes here like any place. But you made it sound like Scandinavia is some sort of exceptionally racist place, which is laughable.
Pandora012
Member
Per usual, it only counts if the West does it.
Norwegian isn't very hard. This is good for Norway, but I've also thought it was interesting that people haven't pointed out that all three leaders of the major political parties of Scotland were women until late August.
efyu_lemonardo
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Is this true?
KillerMan91
Member
Eh. Swedish, danish and norwegian are from same language family as english and so more easier to learn for english speakers than most of languages. Finnish though? You have a point lol (I say this as finnish speaker)
So it isn't noteworthy when someone finally comes in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc?
"Big deal"
Okay, so nobody comes after Bangladesh? That is how you want it?
wild wild rice
Member
Uh, right...
Poor GRIMES
Banned
Theres not enough PoC in Sweden to commit acts against, I presume. However, Swedes do have a predisposition to hating Armenians and the Roma.
Zepp Twofist
Member
A better world is bad because it means there are less things to complain about.
I'm not sure where to even begin with this one. I don't think you got a single thing correct in your sentence.
I'm mostly curious about the Armenians though. Did your ass maybe tell you why we hate Armenians so much? It seems very random.
You don't need to speak Swedish to live in Sweden. Life is nicer if you do speak it, but you can do just fine without it.
hobblygobbly
Member
Here are country rankings of women in national parliaments in general (or equivalent) too if anyone is interested since it's somewhat on topic. http://archive.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm
Top 50 as of September 2017.
Top 50 as of September 2017.
The Eurocentric patting on the back always irks me. Leading the way forward in what sense? You do know countries like India and Pakistan have elected women to the most powerful roles in government decaces before right? Argentina, Brazil etc. Plus, the current government in Norway is centre right and also slightly populist and ultranationalism is on the rise in all Scandinavian countries. You think Neo-Nazis marching in Charlottesville in the US is bad, google arson attacks in Sweden against refugee centres etc. And then finally, just electing women to all levels of government means what? That they will inherently run the country better just because they are women?
KillerMan91
Member
Global gender gap index 2016:
1. Iceland
2. Finland
3. Norway
4. Sweden
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17. Denmark
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33. Argentina
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79. Brazil
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87. India
.......
143. Pakistan
Pakistan especially is horrible example of any gender equality with it being second worst country on the list.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
It doesn't.
Maybe that's the point. That having women in positions of power is a good thing, but it's by no means the only metric to use to judge a country or culture's gender equality. Rwanda has the most female politicians in its parliament, but yeah, the condition of girls and women there is absolutely ghastly for many other reasons.
Maybe that was Madness' point? At least I hope so, and not a "neener neener Pakistan did it first" because... yeah.
Sweden has never had a female prime minister.
BlackLagoon
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Well, the "news" here was that women had the 3 most important government positions at the same time, if you just want prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland was the first female one in Norway in 1981. And I'd be rather hesitant to put forth Indira Gandhi and Benazir Bhutto as good examples of the advancement of women's access to political power as AFAIK both were rather unique in their country's history, and (both being daughters of earlier prime ministers) the result of a political culture and electorate that puts far more importance on a candidate's family rather than individual merit. Women from the right family getting to rule if there are no suitable male heirs is hardly a new thing.
Mr. Badger
Member
Queen
Prime Minister Theresa May
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon
Home Secretary Amber Rudd
Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick
Some pretty big roles held by women in the UK. (Even as crappy as someone like May is though)
Merkel (Germany) is as powerful as it comes in Europe also.
Prime Minister Theresa May
Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon
Home Secretary Amber Rudd
Met Police Commissioner Cressida Dick
Some pretty big roles held by women in the UK. (Even as crappy as someone like May is though)
Merkel (Germany) is as powerful as it comes in Europe also.
Zepp Twofist
Member
This is true but the previous election was basically a choice between Erna Solberg and Jonas Gahr Støre. The fact that party and politics is more important than gender is progressive when the choice was between a man and a woman.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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I guess it is. It just seems normal to me. I don't want these people to reflect or represent me or be my friend. I want them to enact the political platform i support. The leader is just the avatar of the party to me.
Høyre is center-right and pretty liberal on social issues + probably the most EU-friendly party in Norway. They should not be put in the same basket as the far-right parties getting traction in Europe. I for one are glad we have a strong center-right party that dominates the far-right voices and keeps them checked in the backroom. Erna is definitely no fan of Trump.
Why's that?
Royal_Phalanx
Member
Norway is still a much better environment for foreigners than in Denmark. Danske Folkeparti is in government there and that party hates foreigners. That party seems to be Danish UKIP.
PdotMichael
Banned
So should I feel anything else than "business as usual" about it?
This. I would never in a million years say they were better for gender equality. Just the idea Scandinavian countries 'leading the world' for electing women leaders means they are inherently better when others have done it as well and seldom gotten the recognition.
Also, those countries at the top are highly advanced post industrial nations with high rates of literacy and education and respect for human rights. The others are developing countries which barely were even independent 70 years ago. 150 years ago Indians were burning widows alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Maybe 100 years from now they'll be higher on the list. Morrigan has a good point though,and I didn't want it to be a 'simpsons did it' point to take away.
One of the things I like about our government in Canada was Trudeaus promise to diversify and give equal representation in his government which we have seen.
What has that got to do with anything? That's a relatively healthy place for a country to be in.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Norway? lol where do you read this stuff? Norways "debt" is completely sustainable and responsibly managed. And we could pay it off completely except debt is not inherently bad for a nation.
I ain't gonna lie, some of the ignorance in this thread triggers me.
CrocMother
Banned
Is Norway the best country ever?
PdotMichael
Banned
Try to buy alcohol there.
Well, it's possible.
The last time I was there I thought, "Oh, that's an astonishingly reasonable price for a sixpack". Then I saw it was the price for a single bottle.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
Anti immigration parties hate people they look down on, from the middle East and Africa etc. Because of racism, these people having high unemployment rates and the view of them being behind all crime.
If you come here from a western country not talking fluid swedish, they - and no one else - cares.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
What are you comparing to?