famfrit
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This. But i dont like the breakable control idea/ patent.
The only problem is that a touch in the back don't look good in the marketing wise sense.
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PS4 controller: touchpad + share button + dualshock
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This. But i dont like the breakable control idea/ patent.
The only problem is that a touch in the back don't look good in the marketing wise sense.
Exactly! It will be basically a touch interface that can be used like a mouse as well as an extra button
If it's used to replace start/select it probably won't be used for too much stuff like that. Probably mostly for scrolling through menus. I'm sure a lot of third party devs won't care and a lot of first party studios will probably implement them better than in Golden Abyss. Don't forget that they have already had a lot of feedback from the Vita's release as well.
Nizz
Member
I like this!
I would wait for the controller to be revealed; from the rumors it doesn't seem like the touchscreen will have extensive application, and if it did it would be impossible to know if that's good or bad without knowing how developers are thinking about it.
SirIgbyCeaser
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I hope the touch pad has like a stylish neon display... where numbers, swipe gestures or, buttons could be displayed. But I guess they'd mention it if it did.
Would be awesome.
Would be awesome.
Spieler Eins
Member
If they are still unable to create something better than the dualshock design, which is basically some outdated SNES ripoff +sticks, they should at least have full BC for the whole PS brand. (Would this be even possible?)
What does the shape of the controller have to do with backwards compatibility?
Personally, I can't see it working if it's placed on the back. So many people hold the controller differently, with many already resting their middle finger around the center of the back of the controller. They'd have to change the controller's shape considerably to prevent that. Though as you mentioned, it'll certainly be much better considering we don't have to lift our thumbs off the analog sticks just to use the touchpad.
Options will be great, but I'd imagine that if it is HD, some moderate compression will have to take place. Too much to upload, too much for individuals to stream and way too much bandwidth for Sony to handle if it's going to be a free service they host.
Having the video file will be the best approach though, with the added option of uploading to Youtube or whatever streaming platform Sony might be creating (Sony-verse?).
Well, if they went with something completely different, like the Wii did, for example, they couldn't do backwards compatibility without either allowing older controllers to be connected, or creating a controller for the purpose of playing old games. Both of which Nintendo did.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I do like 360 pad because it may be best PC controller whereas many PC games use 360 on-the-screen buttons and real vibrate support on modern games.
Symmetrical sticks useful in some genres such as dual shooters ie Super StarDust HD.
It is hard to please everyone but I would like to see dual version one is symmetrical or not. Maybe swappable if technical possibliy.
Symmetrical sticks useful in some genres such as dual shooters ie Super StarDust HD.
It is hard to please everyone but I would like to see dual version one is symmetrical or not. Maybe swappable if technical possibliy.
Anyone here uses Swype?
The touchpad would allow people to type comfortably without looking away from the screen.
I'm not so sure. Swype works because you're actually using a touchscreen, not a touchpad. I don't see how this can work accurately, unless you mean the touchpad controls a cursor and a button acts as a mouse click? Kind of like a laptop's touchpad?
I mean, they aren't taking anything away, so why would a new design make older games not work? Nintendo has several control methods so they need to have several controllers, but changing the mold of the dualshock doesn't make it no longer a dualshock.
The Interrobanger
Member
Please Sony, fuck off with this Dualshock bullshit. Worst controller design ever and you've kept it for 15+ years.
Right, that's what he's saying. Because they aren't doing that, there's no reason why older games wouldn't work.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Wow, wonder how much it'll cost :S
I went in a different direction. Changing the core design is taboo. It's a sacred symbol of console identity. We need to shift our focus. What we need to do is change the gamer.
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Sickboy007
Member
Something like a laptop touchpad would be a godsend for games that use cursors in general. It's no mouse but it's 1000x times better than controlling a strategy game with an analog stick.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It didn't win an award for nothing.
Only issue is laptop touchpads don't work too well with thumbs because of thumbsize. I'd imagine this touchpad will be a lot smaller in size too.
Maybe developers just need to hire better UI designers
It seemed to me like he was saying that he simply didn't like the way the controller looked/was laid out (the "design," not the functionality). To which I said that a change in look/design doesn't even correlate to backwards compatibility. If he was talking about a change in controller's functionality or control input altogether, I would have agreed with him.
TimeEffect
Member
Pretty sure he means the on-screen keyboard can act as the visual. It makes perfect sense
That, is not going to happen probably.
You trace a path on the Swype keyboard (which will obviously be on the TV screen) by tracing a path across the touch pad. The tracing line will provide more than enough feedback for the user to type accurately. Why would there be a need to click?
Sickboy007
Member
Previous leaks said that the system includes an upgraded playstation eye.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
Either one of those and I'm in love. Hell you can keep the controller the way it is and I'm fine. Just put some grip on those back buttons. I hate being in an intense moment, then my finger slips lol.
Those are beautiful especially the second one.
Sickboy007
Member
By the way, Sony has developed and shipped something they call "Floating Touch Technology" on their Xperia line of phones. If they use something similar, they could have a movable cursor by floating the fingertip up to 2 cm above the screen, with touching as actual confirmation, as with the Xperia Sola.
Wolves Evolve
Member
This one is the most interesting. You can get all sorts of weird tricks out of the touch rings around the buttons. Its sort of another analog-style input.
Yup, sure hope that's still the case.
You guys think the triggers on the Move controller are good enough? I feel they're on the right track.
This one looks super comfortable.
Yeah, I think they're good. I'd be fine with those on the next dualshock.
In theory it sounds great, but in practice not so much. Does the width of the touchpad represent the width of the screen, so swiping from one side to another will be swiping from the left to right side of the screen? If so, that means the touchpad has to be fairly large and it also means that using a thumb will be too inaccurate for such a task, meaning you'd need to hold the controller with one hand and use your index finger on the other hand for more accurate controls.
If the touchpad is relative like a mouse touchpad, it also won't work well, since you'd need to lift your thumb and drag a couple of times to move from one side of the screen to another.
It just doesn't seem like this touchpad will be applicable for something like Swype, due to size, accuracy and the fact the thumb will be what's controlling it. I think it's designed for gesture-based commands more than anything else.
wow... I like this a lot
I still want a more 'boomerang' shape though.
As for the cost - I imagine the touchpad is fairly cheap, especially if its the same tech as the Vita. The share button is just an awesome, awesome idea.
I think that would be weird without a screen on the controller. I'd be happy if they just added something like Steam's on screen controller keyboard.Anyone here uses Swype?
The touchpad would allow people to type comfortably without looking away from the screen.
Just wanted to add that I'd love for a similiar design to this with it being slightly elongated horizontally, as well as filling some of the space between the shoulder buttons up top to expand the touchpad size. That way it'll keep the original design and distance between analog sticks an buttons, but it'll more room for the thumb to extend and swipe the touchpad smoothly.
edit - Also, I'm in the camp of the share button being pretty stupid if it's separate to the home button or is only dedicated to sharing.
I'm perfectly okay with that.
It's been around for quite a while. I think the original Killzone used it and it goes back even more.
Interesting...
Yes that's what i have in mind - the width of the touchpad represents the width of the keyboard. The touchpad size in the proposed DS4 mockups looks fine to me honestly, i can swype comfortably on my tiny iPhone4 screen with the keyboard filling just half of the screen space.
I believe most people will be typing with their index finger. It's not meant to be used in the middle of a game after all.
No. It is exceedingly simple. Everyone knows and understands how to use a button. They are in a multitude of devices/appliances. Humans understand that pushing a button often nets a reaction. Its a simple interface design.
Analog sticks have a higher curve if you've never used one, but still simple in its design/effect. While not utilized in daily device interaction, it is easy enough to understand function.
Trackpads are no different. They allow for simple gestures most humans use without even knowing about it. They dont have to be finger gestures, but gestures with the hand, in general. From the turning of a doorknob to the key in a vehicle ignition, waving to friends, pointing, turning the page in a book - humans are conditioned for gesture action/reaction. This is perfect for video games.
You also sound like you are limiting what you think you can accomplish with a trackpad. It is most certainly not limited to "swipes". Theres a lot that can be done to make things interesting enough without looking... a few examples:
Swipe: in a FPS, the user holds the left trigger to pull a grenade. The right thumb slides left to right to "pull the pin". Now the grenade is cooking. Release to throw.
It can be used as a simple 180 swipe to turn around faster since analog is dedicated speed.
Circle: Hold a button/trigger and perform a circular motion to operate twist/handle/wheel devices.
Patterns: Perform specific movesets for X action. U, Z, C, N, L - any easily recognizable and performing pattern.
Just off the top of my head examples. Currently I am designing UI features and menu/inventory management for my game, PC (controller, ready) and I am looking at how I use everyday items in my house, out and about, my phone, car, utensils, etc - watching my wife, friends... trying to make an intuitive, "no instructions needed" robust yet self-explanatory system. Basing it off of how we condition ourselves to doing things without focusing attention directly, looking at, etc. It should just "click" and feel natural to navigate and use.
Again - the design allows for simple gestures - just enough to change things up without making it an overly complicated mess that compromises the rest of the controller.
Keep the player focused in the game by not having them look down. Keep it interesting and engaging by introducing elements people already understand.
famfrit
Member
i'm okay with that one
