Honestly (episode 1 speculation)
it crossed my mind several times that maybe it really was Nasir and he doesn't remember. The girl was into kinky stabbing shit and maybe they took it several steps too far after taking more drugs
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The Night Of - new crime limited series - HBO Sundays - 90 on Metacritic
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Honestly (episode 1 speculation)
- Sepinwall has seen 7 episodes: Review: 'The Night Of' is the great drama HBO very badly needs right now
Bitanator
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Did anybody else find the final scene with his dad running outside to notice his cab gone a bit silly? Don't you think he would have looked out the window before, or at least his other son notice and mention it? It is nothing really but it bugged me for how good the overall episode was.
I'm excited for the other episodes
I'm excited for the other episodes
I didn't even think of that....good point. Whelp, there goes my "interesting" theory. Lol...
Yea, that was a bit off. If it was in a parking lot, or way down the street - fair enough, but it's literally opposite the house.
Awesome to hear the pilot isn't the best episode and it then falls off a cliff like i have felt happens a lot.
Though I have felt for a while HBO's problem is not that they are clinging to the past but that they have almost abandoned what made them who they are.
Interesting Sepinwell feels the opposite. Not sure how though?
Cornballer
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Lots of reviews up now and they're universally positive. Metacritic currently has it at a 90.
A few highlights:
- Matt Zoller Seitz review for NY Mag
- Deadline: The Night Of Review: HBO Miniseries Delivers The Procedural Goods
- IndieWire review
- Onion A|V Club review
A few highlights:
- Matt Zoller Seitz review for NY Mag
- Deadline: The Night Of Review: HBO Miniseries Delivers The Procedural Goods
- IndieWire review
- Onion A|V Club review
Excellent pilot. I loved everything about it. Some speculation on my end of things that will work in his favor:
I loved the parallels between both Naz and the lawyer hesitating before turning around and getting involved in the events of that night. Really well done.
They mentioned a couple of times that the knife may have been serrated. My guess is that it was, which proves his knife was not the murder weapon.
The guy driving the hearse said something like "you want to be my next passenger?" - creepy thing to say when you drive a hearse. It might be the way it was shot, but it looked like he followed them after. I know it's because she flicked her cigarette in a gas station, but still. Suspicious.
The witness lying about another person being there. That dude must have a bad history, and he definitely gave them the death stare.
Something will be questionable about the timeline, which will be established by the parking ticket he got for parking in front of a fire hydrant.
I loved the parallels between both Naz and the lawyer hesitating before turning around and getting involved in the events of that night. Really well done.
True, I love that the first episode made my mind race in so many different directions, I'm a sucker for murder mysteries.
Turturro is a great actor, but I really miss Gandolfini. Rest in peace.
Sho_Nuff82
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Saw this episode on Wednesday. Great cast, good drama even knowing how the random encounter and initial arrest was gonna end. So many questions. Turturro's character is actually a lot more subdued than I'm used to seeing him. Looking forward to the twists and turns.
questionmark
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Finally got around to watching this. Loved it. Only issue I have is that it's been up on hbonordic for a while so I was expecting at least a second episode to be available as well. Can't believe I have to wait a whole week for the 2nd episode.
Yeah but
he was naked, so it's plausible he stabbed her, showered afterwards, then gotten partially dressed before coming out of his "fugue state" at the kitchen table.
All in all I wasn't that impressed with the premiere. The "mystery" is hardly compelling.
TrAcEr_x90
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Is this a take on serial season 1?
blainethemono
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all of these details stood out to me as well, plus:
they took the time to establish that there was a second entrance that she let her cat out through, aside from the main entrance which locked behind Naz after he tried to leave for the first time. also, the final shot of the episode with a cat crossing the street
at the same time, it feels like there's also a lot of set up for a potential scenario for Naz being guilty - they spend a bunch of time building up the idea that he feels like he's always "doing whatever people tell him to do" which culminates in him stabbing her in the hand. from the beginning she seemed depressed - my initial reading was that she wanted to get to a body of water so that she could drown herself - but the whole "i can't be alone tonight" thing kinda confirmed to me that she was feeling suicidal, and from there it's not too hard to imagine her eventually pushing him into killing her
at the same time, it feels like there's also a lot of set up for a potential scenario for Naz being guilty - they spend a bunch of time building up the idea that he feels like he's always "doing whatever people tell him to do" which culminates in him stabbing her in the hand. from the beginning she seemed depressed - my initial reading was that she wanted to get to a body of water so that she could drown herself - but the whole "i can't be alone tonight" thing kinda confirmed to me that she was feeling suicidal, and from there it's not too hard to imagine her eventually pushing him into killing her
really does remind me of The Wire in that it feels like a ton of little details have been set up that are probably going to surface again later. it's gonna be hard to stop thinking about this now. i usually don't feel this type of urgency for shows anymore, but if i could just binge this whole season right now i think i wouldn't stop until it was done
Really liked the first episode, had me hooked all the way through. What surprised me a lot was that the episode felt quite subdued, especially for an HBO production. Barely any cursing, not that much gore or violence (aside from that one scene though) and the general pace. They usually go balls to the wall when setting up new shows.
Also glad to hear critics saying the show keeps up the quality.
Also glad to hear critics saying the show keeps up the quality.
TheOctodad
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Any chance it was the begin or the called The cops in the first place? What if he's a creep that watches her all the time and this was the final straw of his jealousy? There's a lot of questions though. What was going on with the girl before she got in the cab? What did she mean when she wanted to go to the beach? Do those first two guys that try to get in the cab have anything to do with it?
Turin Turambar
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Lol, HBO isn't only Game of Thrones, or True Blood. It's also Show me a Hero or Treme.
Cornballer
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Series premiere tonight:
Cornballer
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Watched the first episode and found myself wishing I could just binge on the whole thing.
I don't think it's going to be that much of a "who done it" mystery, I have a feeling given the writing staff that it'll spend time delving into bigger topics like the legal system, the justice system, racism, and that we the audience might find out relatively soon who the real killer was. I mean the neighbor who made the call is pretty suspicious right away, and there seemed to be some foreshadowing when he says to the detective "do I look like the type who's going to Europe any time soon?" Could just be a red herring, but there's also the the dude with Body who looked for a long time at the girl's house as they went in, that wasn't with Body when he returned and was suspiciously omitted from the telling of events.
Good point I didn't even think of that detail. That's a big one.
Cornballer
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Premiere starts now for those of you that haven't seen it yet.
ShooterMcGavin
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Holy crap, that was tense.
Really, really wish I could binge watch the rest of the episodes right now.
Really, really wish I could binge watch the rest of the episodes right now.
yeah... that's some bull shizzle. i was under the impression it premiered last week (i watch all HBO shows on HBO Now) and i'd be getting a new episode tonight.
i... i have to wait a week?? #firstworldproblems
Cornballer
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- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion)
Premiere reviews and discussion:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club review
Premiere reviews and discussion:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club review
I haven't seen the British version, but supposedly it's practically a shot for shot remake. Dunno if they'll diverge, so I'm just avoiding reading about that one altogether.
No, it's based on the BBC show Criminal Justice (which I haven't seen), not Serial (which I haven't listened to).
That's what I meant, that it's based on the British series (Criminal Justice) and not Serial.
metsallica
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This was so good. I want more now! Get this all up on HBO Go so I can binge!
RatskyWatsky
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torre_avenue
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>Lives in Queens, New York
>Named Nasir, nickname Naz.
>Not even one reference to Nas made in the pilot.
0/10 realism broken gg Zaillian you tried.
Seriously though, I thought it was a terrific pilot. The way that every scene just ratchets up the tension and slowly tightens the noose around Naz was great and made the pilot hard-to-watch at times. I like how in-depth this is going so far in terms of the discovery phase of the crime. However, it also seems like the only person we can really trust in this story is Naz. The way Stone reacts when he hears Box is the detective attached makes me think the guy is going to turn out to be a major impediment to Naz going free.
The one major thing I caught in the pilot was the way the CSU guys said the chain of evidence was broken when examining Naz's personal items. Stone is definitely going to use that at some point to throw some doubt into the veracity of the findings from them.
>Named Nasir, nickname Naz.
>Not even one reference to Nas made in the pilot.
0/10 realism broken gg Zaillian you tried.
Seriously though, I thought it was a terrific pilot. The way that every scene just ratchets up the tension and slowly tightens the noose around Naz was great and made the pilot hard-to-watch at times. I like how in-depth this is going so far in terms of the discovery phase of the crime. However, it also seems like the only person we can really trust in this story is Naz. The way Stone reacts when he hears Box is the detective attached makes me think the guy is going to turn out to be a major impediment to Naz going free.
The one major thing I caught in the pilot was the way the CSU guys said the chain of evidence was broken when examining Naz's personal items. Stone is definitely going to use that at some point to throw some doubt into the veracity of the findings from them.
holygeesus
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Really enjoyed this, but one scene felt out of place to me, or poorly edited - when his
Just seemed to be in the wrong place.
brother wakes up to find him missing and subsequently wakes the father, it feels like morning. It then cuts back to the scene where it is still the middle of the nigh/early morning.
Just seemed to be in the wrong place.
CopperPuppy
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Your explanation is also a non-starter, as he still had the dried blood on his hand from the failed knife trick. Given how extraordinarily bloody the murder site was, I don't see any way around the fact that he wakes up virtually bloodless.
Cornballer
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One quick note: since the premiere has aired now on HBO, there's no need to spoiler tag discussion of the first episode. The only things that need tags are discussion of the preview, cast interviews or another info about future episodes, or if you want to talk about plot points from the BBC series (Criminal Justice) that it's based on. Thank you.
Doug Heffernan
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I absolutely loved the first episode, I'm hooked.