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Edge #251 - UE4
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Abandoning UnrealScript isn't a tradeoff, it's a design shift.
Kismet is now powerful enough to do what UnrealScript did for level designers/game designers/artists, and C++ access is more appropriate/powerful for programmers who need to do something beyond what Kismet does.
I meant the trade off in resolution for AA. People's expectation of 1080p with AA (depending upon type) just took a hit.
Ninja Moomin
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StoppedInTracks
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Welp, anybody who expected 1080p @ 60fps can be disappointed now. Maybe for this gen upports like BF4, Madden, FIFA etc.
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It's already showed up in the Steam registry and their UE3 setup was incredibly indie friendly. UE4 will have a public UDK and I suspect it will hit much more quickly than UE3's did.
It's also a good way to guarantee that schools will use it for teaching instead of a competitor.
With a deferred renderer you're pretty much not going to be able to run high levels of MSAA with good performance.
FXAA and other cheap post-processing filters will still be very popular next gen.
I also expect most games to run at 720p, especially given Microsoft is using eDRAM and people like having multiple framebuffers for deferred rendering.
i-Lo bolded "abandoning" though so I assumed he meant that as part of it.
Sorry, I should have clarified better.
So, is the abandonment of the unreal script akin to getting rid of another layer of overhead and code closer to the hardware through C++ (Sorry, I am not well versed in computer science) tied to Kismet?
MikeE21286
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It's weird but it kinda reminds me of Teddie from Persona 4....but blue...
Always-honest
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Whatever kills the jaggies in the best way possible man.
Persona 5 confirmed.
Visualante2
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Previews
StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm
Dust 514
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
Yakuza 5
Luigi's Mansion 2
SimCity
Features
An audience with Day[9]
Unreal Engine 4
Interview with a couple of MMOG "power gamers"
Places: Nova Prospekt
The making of... Final Fantasy VI
The art of Chronicles of Riddick Assault on Dark Athena
Interesting that Edge has decided to review episode 1 of Kentucky Route Zero where as they waited for the series to be complete with Walking Dead.
StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm
Dust 514
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
Yakuza 5
Luigi's Mansion 2
SimCity
Features
An audience with Day[9]
Unreal Engine 4
Interview with a couple of MMOG "power gamers"
Places: Nova Prospekt
The making of... Final Fantasy VI
The art of Chronicles of Riddick Assault on Dark Athena
Interesting that Edge has decided to review episode 1 of Kentucky Route Zero where as they waited for the series to be complete with Walking Dead.
nckillthegrimace
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revolverjgw
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I don't get it but I bet this is really funny
Played it?
Perhaps they like many others enjoyed it. The 7/10 in Edge sits right with me.
Remember being over-critical/negative doesn't equal credibility. Unlike some people think.
I wonder if my sub copy arrived today. Hope so
djplaeskool
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I didn't realize it wasn't out on that side of the pond.
My mistake.
Let them dream.
Samurai_Heart
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Dead Prince
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blue guy looks like something from Konami.
You sound surprised, but that's not much below its average review score.
Ninja Moomin
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do you see this being the case on both platforms?
there was a post from the FXAA inventor saying he expects his project to run faster on Orbis?
Essentially Kismet is a visual scripting language that lets artists and designers do relatively simple things with no programming experience. Think of it like GameMaker or RPGMaker for professional developers.
C++ on the other hand lets programmers work very efficiently with the engine.
UnrealScript was a stop-gap measure between Kismet and C++ for things that were too complicated to do in old-Kismet, but simplistic enough that you wouldn't want a programmer to have to deal with all the management necessary in C++. It was also simple enough that a multi-talented artist or designer could learn it without learning tons of coding practices.
Basically they merged the benefit of UnrealScript for those who would actually want to use it into Kismet by making it more functional, and thus removed the need for it.
Here's an elevator built in Kismet 1 for example:
UnrealScript on the other hand looks much more like regular programming:
Code:
class HelloWorld extends GameInfo;
event InitGame( string Options, out string Error )
{
`log( "Hello, world!" );
}Edit: www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvfn1p92_8&t=5m55s
That video will show you their newest version of Kismet and skip to the correct timestamp.
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Well, PS4 isn't vastly faster than the Xbox 720 so if you're aiming at maxing out graphics at 720p, it'd probably be hard to run the same quality at 1080p on the PlayStation 4.
For any per pixel operations we're talking about 2.25 times more pixels versus 50% more FLOPS, and a lot of that flop difference is on compute duty.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Please be a Chao. I want my Chao Garden back already.
How likely is the cover to be for a brand new IP? Or do they leave any hints for the cover?
How likely is the cover to be for a brand new IP? Or do they leave any hints for the cover?
the back covers are normally fairly cryptic. not quite as bad as they used to be but still.
anyway edge doesn't get exclusives these days. it's either something you'll already know about or a feature.
Do they mention anything about "SVOGI" or "Sparse Voxel Octree Global Illumination" in the UE4 article btw?
amstradcpc
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Nothing about voxel GI lighting?.
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Its been removed, not because of consoles but because it takes a lot of performance to use it even for very high end pcs,
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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So there is no real reason to use ue4 over cryengine3 right?
Edge mentions that the elemental demo used it, nothing from Epic.
How did you get that from the abandonment of UnrealScript?
Does anybody like UnrealScript?
Actually, it seems much more like something from...Gumball?
That's certainly not a Chao, compared to SA2's images.
This is exactly what came to mind for me too.
A gumball game could be funny, if good.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Sony exclusives will
I look forward to hearing more about this and other next gen engines at GDC.
Here's hoping that if they can't get MSAA in they can at least support higher levels of SMAA with UE4. I don't want devs to get forced into having to use FXAA.
Still curious about the lighting situation, the sources about the nerf are dubious and we know at least some kind of advanced GI is in the engine from the Daylight screens. I'd guess it's just not voxel based any more.
I also love hearing Sweeney talk about falling dev costs and the return of the mid budget game. On top of the visuals, lower investment costs and shorter dev times will really help the industry if a lot of these engines are as good for content creation as they say.
Here's hoping that if they can't get MSAA in they can at least support higher levels of SMAA with UE4. I don't want devs to get forced into having to use FXAA.
Still curious about the lighting situation, the sources about the nerf are dubious and we know at least some kind of advanced GI is in the engine from the Daylight screens. I'd guess it's just not voxel based any more.
I also love hearing Sweeney talk about falling dev costs and the return of the mid budget game. On top of the visuals, lower investment costs and shorter dev times will really help the industry if a lot of these engines are as good for content creation as they say.
His eyes are more oblong.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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No reason not to use SMAA next gen. Combined with some MSAA In 1080 it should look fantastic, hell even on its own it looks great.
I'm with you, I just hope devs jump on the SMAA wagon since it seems like they love FXAA right now. Crytek seems to be the only one who has implemented it natively so far.