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Sosokrates · Nov 25, 2017

21 years ago these were some the best graphics you could get in the first quake and tomb raider.

Now 21yrs later we have these visuals

20 years ago I could not of imagined games looking like they do today, but Now I have a very basic understanding why games look the way they look, its a combination of all things from polycounts to textures, effects and lighting.

This gen has shown me how much lighting makes a difference in how a game looks, how shaders effect the way light looks on a particular surface and this generation is when things start to look like there real life counterparts.

So what is next? Will next gen see vastly more sophisticated shaders aswell as an increase in everything else?

What graphical feature will set apart next gen
From the current one? Or will next gen simply be more of what we have had this gen? And PS6 Will be the big leap?

HeisenbergFX4 · Nov 25, 2017

Give me solid 60 fps on everything before turning up anymore graphics but thats just me.

Toe-Knee · Nov 25, 2017

I'm hoping for better shadows. It's the only thing that disappoints me in most games.

cuate · Nov 25, 2017

ray tracing?

EverydayBeast · Nov 25, 2017

More and more detail

double jump · Nov 25, 2017

Arm chair opinion and all that but I just don't expect to see any huge leaps next gen. Maybe in the VR space but not consoles. Speaking from my ass of course.

Supreme Allah · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:
Now 21yrs later we have these visuals

These two images are CGI.

Rellik · Nov 25, 2017

HeisenbergFX4 said:
Give me solid 60 fps on everything before turning up anymore graphics but thats just me.

That's not going to happen on consoles. If 60fps+ is important to you then you'll have a gaming PC.

Sosokrates · Nov 25, 2017

Supreme Allah said:
These two images are CGI.

I thought its last of 2 in engine stuff?

Self_Destructive · Nov 25, 2017

Supreme Allah said:
These two images are CGI.

Those 2 images are NOT CGI.

I'm sure the devs would be glad to hear that you are unsure though.

Nere · Nov 25, 2017

Maybe developers can start making better, more realistic AI? I feel that graphics always evolves but braindead AI always remains. I know good AI is pretty hard to make but I think that will be the biggest next leap in games.

Supreme Allah · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:
I thought its last of 2 in engine stuff?

Doesnt mean shit when they say that. They said the exact same thing about the Killzone 2 trailer and Uncharted 4 teaser.

Senua · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:
I thought its last of 2 in engine stuff?

Yea in engine, gameplay won't look like that.

Sosokrates · Nov 25, 2017

Supreme Allah said:
Doesnt mean shit when they say that. They said the exact same thing about the Killzone 2 trailer and Uncharted 4 teaser.

Senua said:
Yea in engine, gameplay won't look like that.

Ok ok u get point though

I can put some lost Legacy pics up if u really really want.

Danjin44 · Nov 25, 2017

For me I want to see developers try to bring unique aesthetics to life rather than obsess over hyper realistic graphics.

120v · Nov 25, 2017

i think we're already at a point where you can do virtually anything... really just a matter of size and scope and sacrifices that need to be made to make a game playable. basically it'll be less and less sacrifices going forward

JaxBriggs · Nov 25, 2017

I know it's what you're asking for, but I'm hoping for serious advances in AI. I think for all the visual improvements we've seen over the years, AI hasn't advanced nearly as much and I think it really shows now especially through this gen.

cuate · Nov 25, 2017

Danjin44 said:
For me I want to see developers try to bring unique aesthetics to life rather than obsess over hyper realistic graphics.

Same here. I'm really sick of photorealism. To me metal slug, mario oddysey and guilty gear xrd look far more appealing than stuff like uncharted or anthem.

JaxBriggs said:
I know it's what you're asking for, but I'm hoping for serious advances in AI. I think for all the visual improvements we've seen over the years, AI hasn't advanced nearly as much and I think it really shows now especially through this gen.

ai seems to get worse each gen. more than a decade later and games still haven't even matched, let alone surpassed, stuff like half-life, halo and fear.

Stiler · Nov 25, 2017

I want to see games use physics more for clothing/hair.

I mean, Batman's cape in the Arkham game still looks amazing compared to some brand-new games that come out with capes/cloaks that are just like blocks that hardly move.

Then you have basically any "mage" robe in a modern rpg that looks like they are wearing some strange type of clothing made out of rubber instead of cloth with the way it stretches and moves.

Then there's the hair, I mean we have the excellent hair in the Tomb Raider games and Geralts in Witcher 3, then most other games still have the usual "blob" of hair that hardly moves and looks like a block on your head (mainly rpgs/mmo's).

ByWatterson · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:
Ok ok u get point though

I can put some lost Legacy pics up if u really really want.

I mean...

Unknown? · Nov 25, 2017

21 years ago I dreamed of a day when games looked as good as FFVIII CG. I thought that was the future and when graphics were at their peak. Now gameplay blows that away!

weltalldx · Nov 25, 2017

None of those graphics example impress me.

At the end of the day, next generation graphics have done nothing to elevate graphics beyond adding more post processing, higher resolution textures and applying too many fake filtering techniques to try to hide a basic scene.

Take Witcher 3 for example, if you turn off all the post processing filters, the game's geometry and asset are basic at best.

Games have not made the generation leap as seen from 2d to 3d. There are still terrible animation, clipping, graphics popup in all these examples of next generation graphics. Take away all the facade filters and games today are no more complex than they were 10 years ago.

General Lee · Nov 25, 2017

High quality dynamic global illumination. That's what'll really set next gen apart from this gen. There's some limited solutions already in games like QB, but I think overall lighting will be the biggest difference when you start comparing generations of games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2_RkfStSk

TheAdmiester · Nov 25, 2017

General Lee said:
High quality dynamic global illumination. That's what'll really set next gen apart from this gen. There's some limited solutions already in games like QB, but I think overall lighting will be the biggest difference when you start comparing generations of games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2_RkfStSk

Horizon 3 uses voxel based global illumination and it works so well. Gives that extra little boost in actually feeling like you're "placed" in the world.

JordanN · Nov 25, 2017

I've said it before, there are bigger leaps to achieve going with Virtual Reality than photoreal graphics.

Budgets now determine whether a game looks real or not instead of hardware. The production values of Uncharted and other AAA games are in the millions.

You can instantly see this gulf if you compare Western games to Japanese games. Or mobile games that still look like PS2 games running at higher res.

With Virtual Reality, development is accessible to all budget levels and it can give a huge sense of awe when people realize they're finally inside a video game world, instead of just looking at a flat TV screen.

WaterAstro · Nov 25, 2017

Ultra-realistic, holographic loot boxes that feels physically real and gives you the satisfaction of opening it.

MultiCore · Nov 25, 2017

Real-time raytracing.

I agree on VR being an important part of the future.

I feel like current GPU's are being hamstrung in the name of efficiency.

DaCocoBrova · Nov 25, 2017

HeisenbergFX4 said:
Give me solid 60 fps on everything before turning up anymore graphics but thats just me.

*golf clap*

Visuals are spot on as-is. Optimization and rock-solid fluidity should be priority numero uno for most game types, regardless of hardware!

Pasedo · Nov 25, 2017

Zelda BOTW had beautiful but fairly simplistic graphics but for some reason the world immersed me and felt more real than the most advanced graphics today. I think it was attention to detail of the world design and how everything interacted perfectly that it felt natural. Maybe it was the physics engine, lighting. Not sure. But I agree with some before graphics dial up these areas that really make the game feel more natural and immersive.

ByWatterson · Nov 25, 2017

weltalldx said:
None of those graphics example impress me.

At the end of the day, next generation graphics have done nothing to elevate graphics beyond adding more post processing, higher resolution textures and applying too many fake filtering techniques to try to hide a basic scene.

Take Witcher 3 for example, if you turn off all the post processing filters, the game's geometry and asset are basic at best.

"If you ignore all the graphical advances, there really haven't been any graphical advances."

fordian · Nov 25, 2017

cuate said:
ray tracing?

I wish. not happening in the next 25 years.

Krappadizzle · Nov 25, 2017

fordian said:
I wish. not happening in the next 25 years.

Na. There are demos of Quake 2 runnning with full Ray Tracing. It'll happen sooner than later. I'd wager in the next 10 years or so.

IncognitoPanda · Nov 25, 2017

It was 20 years ago that I realized that graphics would evolve at a slower rate. Thet do get better, but to me, the change between N64 and Xbox will be the biggest one (aside from the change from D to to 3D of course)

Now the the changes are less meaningful.

fordian · Nov 25, 2017

Krappadizzle said:
Na. There are demos of Quake 2 runnning with full Ray Tracing. It'll happen sooner than later. I'd wager in the next 10 years or so.

I'd agree with you if the industry was intent on sticking with 1080p, but we're pushing 4K now man. And within 6 or so years, it'll be 8K.

If you think we're gonna be seeing 30+fps, real-time raytracing at 8K within a decade you're pretty optimistic. But I hope you're right.

Edit: 25 years was probably too conservative, but I still think it's a long way off.

Let me put it this way, Pixar didn't commit to fully ray-traced lighting until Monster's University (2013). And we haven't even bested Toy Story yet.

Senua · Nov 25, 2017

fordian said:
I'd agree with you if the industry was intent on sticking with 1080p, but we're pushing 4K now man. And within 6 or so years, it'll be 8K.

If you think we're gonna be seeing 30+fps, real-time raytracing at 8K within a decade you're pretty optimistic. But I hope you're right.

Maybe on PC if someone like Crytek make another Crysis! aka way more advanced than anything else on the market.

DaCocoBrova · Nov 25, 2017

Senua said:
Maybe on PC if someone like Crytek make another Crysis! aka way more advanced than anything else on the market.

That happens often if you pay close enough attention...

Senua · Nov 25, 2017

DaCocoBrova said:
That happens often if you pay close enough attention...

Not it really doesn't, stuff like Battlefront looks incredible on PC but it's still made with console limitations in mind. When Crysis came out it was so far ahead of anything else it was insane, that hasn't really happened since IMO.

CJY · Nov 25, 2017

Senua said:
Yea in engine, gameplay won't look like that.

I think there needs to be a distinction in CGI definitions. As-in, prerendered vs on-the-fly/runtime rendering. The term in-engine doesnt mean much when it doesnt represent gameplay, but the quality of visuals cant be disputed when the engine is indeed capable of producing those visuals live. Its just that the given system may not be powerful enough to produce that quality of visual during live gameplay, but we can be 100% certain that the engine is capable of it given more FLOPS.

Were arguing over semantics and using the term CGI is a misnomer as technically its all Computer Generated Imagery whether or not its gameplay or not. OP is only talking about visuals and graphics, not whether its during gameplay or not.

For example, look at FF8 on PS1, when Squall is running across the screen with a massive pre-rendered FMV battle playing on the background. That, to me, is still one of the most impactful sequences in my history with games, but gameplay there is basically irrelevant. My point is, depending on the game, prerendered or not, if something looks good, it looks good. And TLOU2 looks like its gonna be a beast of a game and its clear that in another 21 years, Elon Musk is right, graphics and visuals will be completely indistinguishable from reality.

DaCocoBrova · Nov 25, 2017

Senua said:
Not it really doesn't, stuff like Battlefront looks incredible on PC but it's still made with console limitations in mind. When Crysis came out it was so far ahead of anything else it was insane, that hasn't really happened since IMO.

Crysis' crowning achievement(s) were physics, which affected gameplay and allowed for non-linearity with regards to approaching combat scenarios.

In addition the title had no real ceiling with regards to scalability.

It was innovative and well ahead of its time, but has since been surpassed in most if not all areas.

SMOK3Y · Nov 25, 2017

Pasedo said:
Zelda BOTW had beautiful but fairly simplistic graphics but for some reason the world immersed me and felt more real than the most advanced graphics today. I think it was attention to detail of the world design and how everything interacted perfectly that it felt natural. Maybe it was the physics engine, lighting. Not sure. But I agree with some before graphics dial up these areas that really make the game feel more natural and immersive.

See if PlayStation games were running BOTW graphics in their games i would not bother to play tbh if i wanted those type of graphics I'd buy a Nintendo console

Ubername · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:

Can someone explain the joke with the hanging scene? Jeez that is some gruesome shit.

Fnord · Nov 25, 2017

Danjin44 said:
For me I want to see developers try to bring unique aesthetics to life rather than obsess over hyper realistic graphics.

I, for one, hope that both approaches continue unabated.

TitusTroy · Nov 25, 2017

Sosokrates said:
20 years ago I could not of imagined games looking like they do today, but Now I have a very basic understanding why games look the way they look, its a combination of all things from polycounts to textures, effects and lighting

you didn't believe that in 20 years graphics would make a major leap in quality????

Fnord · Nov 25, 2017

JordanN said:
With Virtual Reality, development is accessible to all budget levels and it can give a huge sense of awe when people realize they're finally inside a video game world, instead of just looking at a flat TV screen.

The problem there is that this will change when VR graphics start to catch up with non-VR graphics. If anything, the problem will be multiplied.

Martinski43 · Nov 25, 2017

There are other things that needs focus than slightly upgraded visuals. Ai has pretty much dropped of a cliff lately. Many top titles today has much worse Ai than games had 10+ years ago.

Compare the Ai in games like HL2, Crysis 1, FEAR to games like Horizon, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Battlefront 2. Its really bad, really fucking bad how much worse it has gotten.

Seems its more important for games to have a cinematic story these days, plus having greedy business models to boot.

Soltype · Nov 25, 2017

Senua said:
Maybe on PC if someone like Crytek make another Crysis! aka way more advanced than anything else on the market.

Star Citizen is probably as close as we'll get to getting another game with that type of philosophy behind its development.

MultiCore · Nov 25, 2017

Soltype said:
Star Citizen is probably as close as we'll get to getting another game with that type of philosophy behind its development.

You mean, it's as close as we're not going to get, amirite?

Seriously, that game is going to be 'delayed' for so long, it's bound to be eclipsed before it's even released.

Sosokrates · Nov 25, 2017

TitusTroy said:
you didn't believe that in 20 years graphics would make a major leap in quality????

Thats not what
I said.

To clarify, I definitely thought visuals would improve but I didnt think back then visuals would surpass resident evil cut scenes, plus I didnt understand graphics that much, back then I thought nothing of the framerate dips in goldeneye, I just thought its just how the game is and thought nothing of it.However I do remember looking at PS1 games and how the the textures would warp and move about and thought "dam that looks really bad, it cant even do proper 3d"

Okada · Nov 25, 2017

TitusTroy said:
you didn't believe that in 20 years graphics would make a major leap in quality????

When I was gaming as a kid, I never dreamed that we'd have visuals close to what we have now. It's still mind blowing to me at times.

xviper · Nov 25, 2017

i remember when i played Uncharted 2, i thought that there is no way graphics could improve upon this

the next game that blew me away with it's graphics was BF3, i have never been more impressed about a game's graphics like BF3's, not because of it's high quality, but because it looked realistic, UC2 had stunning graphics but it was cartoonish

UC4 currently is the best looking game and anyone who denies that is either a liar or didn't play it, it sure did shock me, but it never impressed me as BF3 did

TLOU 2 probably won't be the next big graphical leap, PS4\X1 generation has been slow in graphical improvement, look at Ryse(2013) and then look at UC4(2016), sure UC4 looks better, but it's not that big of a difference

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