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TheDarkKnight774
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(07-16-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Razgriz-Specter

Already happening
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She's usually standing in the middle when the trinity is shown

I don't think the spidey plateau has anything to do with ASM2. I think the main reason it's not drawing anyone in is it really didn't present anything new for spidey. The fact they went back to high school Peter...again. And did the earlier start...again just wasn't enough to move the needle. What was the hook? The only hook was he was in the MCU and knew iron man. Then the trailers just showed so much of the movie plot and beats. It'd be a movie that you expect it to be

I contend if they started this movie with Peter out of college, has been spidey for a while and is already dating MJ when the movie started. It would have helped spice things up
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(07-16-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

That being said, $250 mil is way too low. I'm expecting around $350 mil domestic for Black Panther.

....your posting doesn't make sense.

You are questioning if BP will break out, and then simultaneously predicting it to have one of the biggest BO's for a Comic film like, ever (debut solo films)
3N16MA
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(07-16-2017, 06:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kusagari

Doesn't China love black people so much that they hid Finn from the Star Wars marketing?

They had to let some of the other characters shine.
Razgriz-Specter
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(07-16-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by LordOfLore

Remind me how well 'Creed' did in the US?

109 million in the US, 63 foreign.
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:11 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alex_Mexico

I still can't understand how could you tell from the very first SMH Friday. That movie did way better than WW's first weekend. How could you tell from that that SMH would end up below WW? I understand being able to tell after the second weekend but not after the first.

There have been over 50 of these big superhero films since X-Men 1. There are some pretty well established patterns by now, especially for the MCU films.

On Tuesday, I guessed that Spider-Man Homecoming would be between $210-215M as of today (day 10), based on the numbers we had for the first 4 days: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=536

Spider-Man was at roughly $130M as of Monday, so I was projecting another $80-85M for the next 6 days. This weekend was a bit weaker than the MCU average, so we ended up getting $78M. Even the high end of my range from Tuesday was only 9% over the actual number, because Spider-Man is following a fairly predictable path.

Occasionally we get something like GotG1 or Wonder Woman (to an much more extreme extent) that deviate pretty significantly from what is typical, but that's maybe 1 in 20 films.
Sibersk Esto
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Originally Posted by LordOfLore

Remind me how well 'Creed' did in the US?

110 million domestic on a 35 million dollar budget.
shintoki
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(07-16-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Black Panther not even going to crack 300mil.
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(07-16-2017, 06:12 PM)
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Originally Posted by Obliterator

....your posting doesn't make sense.

You are questioning if BP with break out, and then simultaneously predicting it to have one of the biggest BO's for a Comic film like, ever (especially debut solo films)

That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.
Ahasverus
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(07-16-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Perhaps Spider-man just has a ceiling.

Surprised at how high a drop though since has both critical and fan acclaim. But is it just a movie you see once in theaters

Maybe, just maybe, people are not that eager to see a Disneyfied Spiderman.
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(07-16-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.

$350 million would put it in the top 5 highest grossing solo debut films ever for a comic I believe. Is that correct kswis?

Edit - I think actually it would be top 3
Sibersk Esto
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(07-16-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Black Panther is going to do $600m domestically.

I say this because of the transition from Run the Jewels into the logo during the trailer being the most hype logo transition in the history of cinema.

Facts.

"Black Panther Trailer Style" was a thing, so maybe you're on to something.
Alex_Mexico
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(07-16-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

Spider-flop? About time. Sick of that red and blue bastard! :)

Between this and your irrational hate for Igarashi and his Bloodstained Im beginning to worry about you, duck!
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PhoncipleBone
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(07-16-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Ragnarok will be the highest grossing Thor film ever.
Chamber
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(07-16-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alex_Mexico

I still can't understand how could you tell from the very first SMH Friday. That movie did way better than WW's first weekend. How could you tell from that that SMH would end up below WW? I understand being able to tell after the second weekend but not after the first.

You'd expect higher than a $117m weekend after a $51m opening day. The fact that SMH's weekend estimates kept going down throughout late Friday and Saturday pointed to it being frontloaded. Wonder Woman on the other hand increased 23% from Friday to Saturday (removing the Thursday numbers from Friday). Spidey increased only 6% by comparison.
Jigorath
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(07-16-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sibersk Esto

110 million domestic on a 35 million dollar budget.

Where's the sequel
3N16MA
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(07-16-2017, 06:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.

It would still be the 8th biggest solo superhero film and 4th for debut solo films.
broncobuster
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(07-16-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Thor Ragnarok will be the highest grossing Jeff Goldblum movie since Independence Day.
Bobby Roberts
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(07-16-2017, 06:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by shintoki

Black Panther not even going to crack 300mil.

I love that we're arguing this now, in July 2017. I'm not being facetious, I think it's cool.

I think it has a really good shot of clearing $300 mil.

It's launching in a period with not a lot of competition
The pedigree behind and in front of the camera is really goddamned high
Coogler's two films are damn near flawless.
It's something we haven't seen in a superhero movie yet. It's utterly unique in that regard.

So you got something really new, under the umbrella of a widely trusted brand, helmed by one of the best directors currently working, with a frankly fucking AMAZING cast, opening with not much to challenge it for at least a month. Look at what Deadpool did in the same timeframe with an R-rating. Now imagine something a little more mainstream, with Marvel's marketing behind it, without that restriction on the audience size.

It's got a real shot, I think.
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Spider-Man Homecoming is now at $469M worldwide.
Razgriz-Specter
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(07-16-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight774

She's usually standing in the middle when the trinity is shown

Same statues for the same thing, one opened May with Superman in the middle like all the previous versions, newest opened mid July and they put Diana in the middle.

Not saying it actually means anything, just a fun image representing what I was responding to.
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PhoncipleBone
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(07-16-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by broncobuster

Thor Ragnarok will be the highest grossing Jeff Goldblum movie since Independence Day.

Just gotta pass Lost World for that record.

As for Black Panther, opening it during Black History Month is a smart move.
ZeoVGM
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(07-16-2017, 06:16 PM)
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Originally Posted by Obliterator

....your posting doesn't make sense.

You are questioning if BP will break out, and then simultaneously predicting it to have one of the biggest BO's for a Comic film like, ever (debut solo films)

Bronx-Man?

Psh.

More like Florida Man.
TheTylerDurden
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(07-16-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

I dunno about Black Panther. I'm gonna see that motherfucker seven times in theaters, but I'm not sure the rest of Murica is gonna be able to "relate" to it like Wonder Woman.

Yeah, no chance.

BP is not really a well known character. Some who are into BP are clearly into him, but WW is a pretty well known property.

Honestly, before he appeared in an avengers movie, I may have heard his character name in passing once in the past. No prior knowledge - and I don't live under a rock, but I also don't bathe myself in the comic book world.

I view this character is highly niche at best. Looks like it might be a crazy good film, but I bet a bunch of less informed moviegoers will be like "Black Panther movie? You mean that group that was protesting vietnam in the 60's?"
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(07-16-2017, 06:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by 3N16MA

It would still be the 8th biggest solo superhero film and 4th for debut solo films.

How about this: I think it'll do really well for itself, it just won't be a monster hit like Wonder Woman.
mreddie
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(07-16-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by kswiston

Spider-Man Homecoming is now at $469M worldwide.

DOOM
DarkLordMalik
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(07-16-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by PhoncipleBone

Ragnarok will be the highest grossing Thor film ever.

Easy peasy since it should have no trouble making $210 million.

Originally Posted by kswiston

Spider-Man Homecoming is now at $469M worldwide.

Amy Pascal on phone right now with Feige to discuss the sale of the IP.
PhoncipleBone
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(07-16-2017, 06:18 PM)
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Originally Posted by DarkLordMalik

Easy peasy since it should have no trouble making $210 million.

That's the joke.
Ahasverus
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(07-16-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.
shintoki
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(07-16-2017, 06:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

That doesn't seem pretty big since WW & Guardians are both about to pass it with ease. I wouldn't be surprised if Thor 3 does the same as well. I'm saying it won't hit $400 like WW is about to.

Put it into perspective that the only Marvel films pass 300mil(Even close) are with Ironman on the cover or GOTG. Even WS fell quite a bit short of the that mark.

I do think 250 film is in the card, which would put it on par with WS and above the rest. But 300Mil+ would put it on Ironman level domestically.
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gundamkyoukai
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(07-16-2017, 06:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by kswiston

Spider-Man Homecoming is now at $469M worldwide.

Lower than i thought it would be .
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(07-16-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Bronx-Man?

Psh.

More like Florida Man.

I was born in the Bronx and grew up in Florida.

This post speaks to me.
Theecliff
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(07-16-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ahasverus

Maybe, just maybe, people are not that eager to see a Disneyfied Spiderman.

but more people have gone to see it than the last reboot?
CaviarMeths
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(07-16-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by yuraya

They should have done one more ASM movie. The first 2 weren't as bad as people made them out to be. Ending superhero movies on a duology just isn't right and probably left a bad inconclusive taste in peoples mouth. I mean even Thor got his own trilogy. Sony messed up.

On the contrary, I think the obsession that people have with trilogies is damaging to stories. Like every story needs to be told in exactly 3 parts, no more, no less. If a series never gets a 3rd entry, people complain for years the director needs to come back to "finish the trilogy" (that doesn't exist). And then as soon as a 4th movie is announced, people start coming up with fan outlines of the "second trilogy" of what they would do for movies 4, 5, and 6. It's dumb. Stories can easily be 1, 2, 4, or 20 parts.
DarkLordMalik
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(07-16-2017, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ahasverus

Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.

I didn't like Wonder Woman as much but even I can admit that the movie had a heart. The story had a message and it was loud and clear.

Black Panther so far looks like it has a lot of AWESOME action scenes but so did Civil War and that had Black Panther along with all the other A-listers. It needs a unique hook to make it stand out among other MCU movies.
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(07-16-2017, 06:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by kswiston

Spider-Man Homecoming is now at $469M worldwide.

Any rough estimates on how you think this is shaking out WW in total gross? International numbers are always hard for me to keep up with, given how staggered release dates often are
Cvie
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(07-16-2017, 06:25 PM)

Originally Posted by Ahasverus

Black Panther can do really well, but the script must be up to snuff, nobody will rush to see a vanilla-ass marvel film only because it stars black people. It needs to say something, and say it loud like Wonder Woman did.

Luckily, their director choice (and cast) was just stellar.

heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:25 PM)
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Originally Posted by gundamkyoukai

Lower than i thought it would be .

How much higher could it have been?
gundamkyoukai
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(07-16-2017, 06:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by kswiston

How much higher could it have been?

Was thinking $475 to $500 million.
Ahasverus
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(07-16-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cvie

heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose

Still no vanilla though.
Corpsepyre
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(07-16-2017, 06:28 PM)
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Transformers though. Wow.
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(07-16-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bobby Roberts

This is a very, very specific set of superhero criteria but I see no fault in the claim.

Doot doot doot (MARVEL LOGO)
Chamber
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(07-16-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cvie

heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose

Wonder Woman is Richard Donner formula.
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(07-16-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cvie

heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose

I can see that. But is that more commentary on the dark, brooding D.C., or more a commentary on the somewhat brighter Marvel?

In the end though the lesson of WW I think is a hero with a great message, which is upbeat and more 'classic' hero. Diana knows what she wants to achieve, and her goals are noble. She is focussed on this, she doesn't doubt herself, she isn't full of angst.

Hopefully (crossing fingers) this pushes supes and bats more into this direction. I would love nothing more in J.L. than to see supes doing his level best to protect and save people, even more than fighting bad guys.
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(07-16-2017, 06:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chamber

Wonder Woman is Richard Donner formula.

It's Richard Donner's Thor, really.
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A minor thing in the grand scheme, but Spider-Man breaks iron man's billion dollar streak

Four movies in a row is still impressive
DarkLordMalik
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(07-16-2017, 06:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Cvie

heh i thought WW was more marvel formula than any of the recent marvel films, which is why i liked it so much i suppose

WW had non-Super Hero characters that I cared about. In most MCU movies, I don't give a shit about others aside from the Super Heroes.
Shauni
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(07-16-2017, 06:30 PM)
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I remember one of the big discussions comic book nerds were having just a few years ago was how Green Lantern was 'replacing' Wonder Woman in the DC Trinity since his comic book was selling well and there was film coming up that was supposed to launch the DCEU at that time, and now, GL isn't slated to have a film until at least 2019, doesn't have a spot in the first JL film, and a Wonder Woman origin movie blew away expectations and will just miss being the highest grossing origin film ever and domestically outgrossed the first ever Superman/Batman film.

What I'm saying is, Green Lantern is a loser.
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(07-16-2017, 06:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by Corpsepyre

Transformers though. Wow.

Yeah that's a stunning collapse.
TheTylerDurden
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(07-16-2017, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by DarkLordMalik

WW had non-Super Hero characters that I cared about. In most MCU movies, I don't give a shit about others aside from the Super Heroes.

"But Charlie, who will sing for us?"

Best Diana.

You're totally right though. I can quote scenes that centered around each of the characters where Patty was shining a light on them to make them people you care about.
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(07-16-2017, 06:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chamber

Wonder Woman is Richard Donner formula.

This is a good thing now? I remember all the dummies trying to defend Man of Steel/BvS's Superman saying no one wants to see that in the 21st century.

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