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Slayven
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(07-16-2017, 06:32 PM)
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200 posts beforee i get out of bed? I remember when Movie Gaf was indy
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by gundamkyoukai

Was thinking $475 to $500 million.

$500M was asking too much. Opening weekend was just a bit over $250M. A few markets opened this weekend, but they were markets that don't really like Superhero films all that much.
gundamkyoukai
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(07-16-2017, 06:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by Obliterator

Yeah that's a stunning collapse.

It's good that even the Int people get tired of that poor story telling .
LionPride
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(07-16-2017, 06:33 PM)
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I honestly think BP will be great for me, and other black people, those who care about comics or otherwise

Anecdotally, I showed my mom the trailer, we saw CW together and she liked Panther

She wants to see BP too just because he was her favorite character amd seeing so much blackness made her happy

I dunno if the world will feel like that so the movie itself is gon have to be gucci down to the socks

Which it will be
CaviarMeths
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(07-16-2017, 06:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ahasverus

Still no vanilla though.

I'm actually kind of morbidly curious how you would attempt to explain how Ludendorff and Maru are complex villains. I assume it comes with a lot of qualifiers and fan fiction.
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(07-16-2017, 06:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

200 posts beforee i get out of bed? I remember when Movie Gaf was indy

I'm taking us to the promised land
Ahasverus
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(07-16-2017, 06:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by CaviarMeths

I'm actually kind of morbidly curious how you would attempt to explain how Ludendorff and Maru are complex villains. I assume it comes with a lot of qualifiers and fan fiction.

They were terrible villains, but the movie went for emotionality and succeded.

Originally Posted by Corpsepyre

Transformers though. Wow.

The fifth is the international death.
Cvie
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(07-16-2017, 06:36 PM)

Originally Posted by TheTylerDurden

I can see that. But is that more commentary on the dark, brooding D.C., or more a commentary on the somewhat brighter Marvel?

In the end though the lesson of WW I think is a hero with a great message, which is upbeat and more 'classic' hero. Diana knows what she wants to achieve, and her goals are noble. She is focussed on this, she doesn't doubt herself, she isn't full of angst.

Hopefully (crossing fingers) this pushes supes and bats more into this direction. I would love nothing more in J.L. than to see supes doing his level best to protect and save people, even more than fighting bad guys.

Not just the tone and more comedic moments but afterthought villians that don't upstage the heroes or heroics.
Anung
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(07-16-2017, 06:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheTylerDurden

Yeah, no chance.

BP is not really a well known character. Some who are into BP are clearly into him, but WW is a pretty well known property.

Honestly, before he appeared in an avengers movie, I may have heard his character name in passing once in the past. No prior knowledge - and I don't live under a rock, but I also don't bathe myself in the comic book world.

I view this character is highly niche at best. Looks like it might be a crazy good film, but I bet a bunch of less informed moviegoers will be like "Black Panther movie? You mean that group that was protesting vietnam in the 60's?"

The logic may have flew a few years ago but we live in a post Guardians, Ant-man and Dr Strange world. Hell outside of comic book circles nobody knew or cared about Iron Man and now he's one of the most recognisable and profitable movie super heroes of all time.

Underestimating movie goers is dumb and a good movie can sell even the weirdest concepts. That's not to say Black Panther doesn't have other things going for and against it.
LordOfLore
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(07-16-2017, 06:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chamber

Wonder Woman is Richard Donner formula.

Johns would probably be happy to hear that.
Lights and Waves
(07-16-2017, 06:38 PM)
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I really don't care for Black Panther as a character at all, but as a PoC I'm gonna go support the film to send the right message to Hollywood.

That being said, I expect it to flop internationally.
Slayven
gimme some o dat God-crafted alabaster greatness
(07-16-2017, 06:39 PM)
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I like that a white superhero doing modesty means doom and gloom for a black superhero. Skipping over the fact there are 2 superhero movies inbetween
Bronx-Man
In 16th century Japan, the African slave of a Jesuit priest rises to become a samurai in the service of its most powerful warlord, & faces the challenge of a corrupt general who is scheming to topple the warlord & rule in his place.
(07-16-2017, 06:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

200 posts beforee i get out of bed? I remember when Movie Gaf was indy

Bobby sold us to Disney for pennies on the dollar.
Dysun
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(07-16-2017, 06:40 PM)
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Would have liked to see Apes do better, what a fantastic film.
Dash_Riprock
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(07-16-2017, 06:41 PM)
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Damn Spidey, guess the ASM films did more damage then I thought...

Originally Posted by Corpsepyre

Transformers though. Wow.

Its only going to make half of the last movie, HALF.

Paramount must be sweating buckets right now.
ZeoVGM
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(07-16-2017, 06:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

200 posts beforee i get out of bed? I remember when Movie Gaf was indy

Late night?
Kenzodielocke
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(07-16-2017, 06:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bobby Roberts

It's Richard Donner's Thor, really.

Why not Donner's Wonder Woman?

Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

This is a good thing now? I remember all the dummies trying to defend Man of Steel/BvS's Superman saying no one wants to see that in the 21st century.

Come on man, people have different opinions.
Slayven
gimme some o dat God-crafted alabaster greatness
(07-16-2017, 06:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Late night?

Yeah didn't go to bed until 5.
RoboPlato
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(07-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Four of the top 5 are some of my favorite movies of the past few years. Really awesome time to be following films.
Plasticine
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(07-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Bobby sold us to Disney for pennies on the dollar.

He did it to save the company!
Bobby Roberts
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(07-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kenzodielocke

Why not Donner's Wonder Woman?.

Because we're using other people and other films to make a comparison to the actual movie.

The film's structure & plotting has a lot of similarities to both Superman: The Movie and Thor.

I'm not belittling Wonder Woman or anything.

Originally Posted by Plasticine

He did it to save the company!

Youuuuuuuuuu
ZeoVGM
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(07-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dash_Riprock

Damn Spidey, guess the ASM films did more damage then I thought...

Homecoming has surpassed ASM2's domestic total in two weekends.

Please read more than the dumb thread title. :(

Its only going to make half of the last movie, HALF.

Paramount must be sweating buckets right now.

If Paramount is smart, they would scrap Bumblebee and Transformers 6. Give the franchise a rest for a few years then come back with a more colorful true-to-the-cartoon reboot. It will give the franchise a fresh facelift and bring in fans who have been shitting on the Bay movies.
Bronx-Man
In 16th century Japan, the African slave of a Jesuit priest rises to become a samurai in the service of its most powerful warlord, & faces the challenge of a corrupt general who is scheming to topple the warlord & rule in his place.
(07-16-2017, 06:43 PM)
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Who you got directing the 2022 Transformers reboot? J.J. Abrams? Justin Lin? Jon Favreau? Josh Trank?
Future Foundation
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(07-16-2017, 06:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Bobby sold us to Disney for a Last Jedi poster and a cowboy hat signed by Dave Filoni.

Fixed.
MrMephistoX
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(07-16-2017, 06:44 PM)
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Someone bring back Raimi for a Dark Knight Returns-esque Spider-Man with 40 yo Tobey! I really liked homecoming but after seeing it for the first time I rewatched the originals: no comparison. I think it's okay though they made the movie low stakes and low key with a low budget intentionally. He's going to grow and that's an interesting arc.
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

I like that a white superhero doing modesty means doom and gloom for a black superhero. Skipping over the fact there are 2 superhero movies inbetween

The entire internet is being extremely reactionary with Superhero films.

Logan, Spider-Man, GotG2, and Wonder Woman are going to average $760-775M a film.

The average is unlikely to drop when we get the final two superhero films of the year.
TheTylerDurden
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(07-16-2017, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Anung

The logic may have flew a few years ago but we live in a post Guardians, Ant-man and Dr Strange world. Hell outside of comic book circles nobody knew or cared about Iron Man and now he's one of the most recognisable and profitable movie super heroes of all time.

Underestimating movie goers is dumb and a good movie can sell even the weirdest concepts. That's not to say Black Panther doesn't have other things going for and against it.

Hmm. Well, I don't know if underestimating moviegoers is 'dumb'. I think it's safe marketing to presume that the moviegoer needs some education to be lured into a theatre.

I've made the argument that the title 'Baby Driver' has hurt the film due to it's title. The retort is always "what? BD is doing great!"

The trailers for this movie need to address the origin of the character, powers, etc to establish a point of comparison to other hero movies - and that will draw them in if done well. But if trailers are just a bunch of random action of a dude in a suit, that won't be enough.

So - marketing. Educate people, get them interested about this character they may never have heard of previously. It's a harder climb to sell the concept of an unknown character, for those who don't know who BP is.

I've seen the trailer - it looks good, but not yet convinced that I am into the character. Nothing specific drawing me in. Hoping to see more.
Dash_Riprock
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(07-16-2017, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

Homecoming has surpassed ASM2's domestic total in two weekends.

Please read more than the dumb thread title. :(



If Paramount is smart, they would scrap Bumblebee and Transformers 6. Give the franchise a rest for a few years then come back with a more colorful true-to-the-cartoon reboot. It will give the franchise a fresh facelift and bring in fans who have been shitting on the Bay movies.

Bumblebee movie already started shooting so too late for that film.

Transformers 6, though, will NOT happen unless it does well....

Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Who you got directing the 2022 Transformers reboot? J.J. Abrams? Justin Lin? Jon Favreau? Josh Trank?

Fuck it, at this point, give me Snyder.

At least he doesn't put racist stereotypes and statutory rapists in his films (usually).
Obliterator
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(07-16-2017, 06:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

I like that a white superhero doing modesty means doom and gloom for a black superhero. Skipping over the fact there are 2 superhero movies inbetween

I don't see many people predicting doom for BP. I think most people think it's going to do really well
Slayven
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(07-16-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Call me crazy but I will say Girls Night will be an important barometer for BP
CaviarMeths
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(07-16-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Who you got directing the 2022 Transformers reboot? J.J. Abrams? Justin Lin? Jon Favreau? Josh Trank?

Like all reboots, Transformers 2022 will be directed by someone that nobody has ever heard of, but a close inspection will reveal that "oh cool, he did that indy movie that I kinda liked."
Bobby Roberts
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(07-16-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Future Foundation

Fixed.

Okay it's still too early to start coming for my bone marrow like this
Future Foundation
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(07-16-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZeoVGM

If Paramount is smart, they would scrap Bumblebee and Transformers 6. Give the franchise a rest for a few years then come back with a more colorful true-to-the-cartoon reboot. It will give the franchise a fresh facelift and bring in fans who have been shitting on the Bay movies.

The Bumblebee movie could actually end up doing that.
Kenzodielocke
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(07-16-2017, 06:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bobby Roberts

Because we're using other people and other films to make a comparison to the actual movie.

The film's structure & plotting has a lot of similarities to both Superman: The Movie and Thor.

I'm not belittling Wonder Woman or anything.

Honestly, I think it's more Donner's Captain America, then.
Whatever man, I was thinking. It really fits both similarly.
broncobuster
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(07-16-2017, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Slayven

Call me crazy but I will say Girls Night will be an important barometer for BP

Girls Night is killing it in reviews. Even a positive from Armond White in the shape of rambling about post-Obama American consciousness.
DarkLordMalik
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(07-16-2017, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Who you got directing the 2022 Transformers reboot? J.J. Abrams? Justin Lin? Jon Favreau? Josh Trank?

William H. Macy.
MrMephistoX
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(07-16-2017, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheTylerDurden

Hmm. Well, I don't know if underestimating moviegoers is 'dumb'. I think it's safe marketing to presume that the moviegoer needs some education to be lured into a theatre.

I've made the argument that the title 'Baby Driver' has hurt the film due to it's title. The retort is always "what? BD is doing great!"

The trailers for this movie need to address the origin of the character, powers, etc to establish a point of comparison to other hero movies - and that will draw them in if done well. But if trailers are just a bunch of random action of a dude in a suit, that won't be enough.

So - marketing. Educate people, get them interested about this character they may never have heard of previously. It's a harder climb to sell the concept of an unknown character, for those who don't know who BP is.

I've seen the trailer - it looks good, but not yet convinced that I am into the character. Nothing specific drawing me in. Hoping to see more.

Same could be said of Spider-Man. We're the built in audience but the marketing for the film did nothing to persuade average non-comic nerd movie going folks to care about the character. Awesome film but the marketing spoiled major story beats and relied way too much on Robert Downey Junior.
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(07-16-2017, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

Who you got directing the 2022 Transformers reboot? J.J. Abrams? Justin Lin? Jon Favreau? Josh Trank?

If Paramount/critics/audiences dig what he does with the Bumblebee spinoff, Travis Knight might get a look.
CaviarMeths
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(07-16-2017, 06:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kenzodielocke

Honestly, I think it's more Donner's Captain America, then.
Whatever man, I was thinking. It really fits both similarly.

I think Donner's Captain America would actually be pretty close to the Johnston one that we got. Probably with a better 3rd act.
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(07-16-2017, 06:50 PM)
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Something from Forbes article, WW will surpass Harry Potter to become WB's 3rd highest domestic grosser of all-time this week.

Won't come close to the 2 Bat films, but a solid 3rd place finish is worth it!

The Warner Bros. release is enjoying an unheard of hold, and is now assured of topping out at $395 million or more domestically, among the top showings of all time for the genre. Tomorrow, it will pass up the final Harry Potter film ($381 million) to become the No. 3 Warners release of all time behind The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, not accounting for inflation.

PhantomX1313
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(07-16-2017, 06:51 PM)
Thread title is an insult to Wonder Woman considering its stellar hold I demand mods to plz change
Alex_Mexico
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(07-16-2017, 06:52 PM)
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WW in her 7th weekend vs T5 in its 4th and she's decimating it. Wow

Originally Posted by PhantomX1313

Thread title is an insult to Wonder Woman considering its stellar hold I demand mods to plz change

Preach!
Obliterator
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(07-16-2017, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Something from Forbes article, WW will surpass Harry Potter to become WB's 3rd highest domestic grosser of all-time this week.

Won't come close to the 2 Bat films, but a solid 3rd place finish is worth it!

It's fucking bonkers the run this film has had. It destroyed even the most optimistic of expectations
Bobby Roberts
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(07-16-2017, 06:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by PhantomX1313

Thread title is an insult to Wonder Woman considering its stellar hold I demand mods to plz change

Yeah, it's weird to suggest people are sick of Wonder Woman when it had a sub 30% drop.
gundamkyoukai
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(07-16-2017, 06:53 PM)
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BP should do good domestic but i have no idea how it will do WW .
As for TF it's time to give it a rest and come back in a few years with a reboot.
Cooter
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(07-16-2017, 06:54 PM)
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Wonder Woman hitting 400m DOM. Amazing.
Chamber
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(07-16-2017, 06:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronx-Man

This is a good thing now? I remember all the dummies trying to defend Man of Steel/BvS's Superman saying no one wants to see that in the 21st century.

Personally, I don't need another take on Donner Supes any more than I need another take on Peter Parker in high school. Nobody is doing it better than Reeves anyway.
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Something from Forbes article, WW will surpass Harry Potter to become WB's 3rd highest domestic grosser of all-time this week.

Won't come close to the 2 Bat films, but a solid 3rd place finish is worth it!

Not counting inflation of course. But I didn't realize Nolan made WB's best domestic grosser.
kswiston
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(07-16-2017, 06:56 PM)
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Non-Disney franchises outside of Marvel/Dc properties that can reliably count on beating this year's average superhero gross worldwide with their next release:

Jurassic Park/World
Fast and Furious
Avatar if it ever releases
Maybe Harry Potter
Possibly Bond (but not if it takes anothertuble from Spectre)

That is everything.

The Potterverse is the only one that I think could theoretically survive over the $650-700M mark if they switched to a 1 film per year model. None would last long on a multiple films per year model.
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(07-16-2017, 07:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Penguin

Something from Forbes article, WW will surpass Harry Potter to become WB's 3rd highest domestic grosser of all-time this week.

Won't come close to the 2 Bat films, but a solid 3rd place finish is worth it!

Wow, that's something else.

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