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NealMcCauley
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(07-17-2017, 08:15 PM)
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Publix's raspberry seltzer water is amazing.
Bronetta
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(07-17-2017, 08:18 PM)
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Good ol' H2O. It has no calories and it refreshes you. How freaking amazing is that? I havent touched pop in months.


If you exercise often your body will need water, pop just wont cut it so try to be more active.
RMI
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(07-17-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Beer. might as well enjoy a thing.

Sparkling water though, for real. Or just water. Or tea.
Berserking Guts
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(07-17-2017, 08:19 PM)
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Regular old tap water for me. I don't even think about diet soda anymore.
sikkinixx
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(07-17-2017, 08:20 PM)
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Water 90% of the time. As cold as it can be before it turns to ice.

When I crave bubbles, sparkling water with lemon/lime/orange slices in it.

When I REALLY want pop. I just have a Coke and it's so amazing.
Whiskeymatt
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(07-17-2017, 08:21 PM)
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As others have said, sparkling water/seltzer and coffee. Works like a charm.
Earthbound64
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(07-17-2017, 08:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kinokou

The flavored water I'm drinking is just marked with aroma as a flavoring ingredient

Really?
...
No, really?



P.S. Yes, I know scent contributes to sensation perceived. I just can't believe anyone would actually mark it as a "flavoring ingredient."
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Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
(07-17-2017, 08:23 PM)
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Oh yeah and dont think stuff like energy drinks, juice or choco milk are OK. Theyre packed with just as much sugar.
RetroMG
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(07-17-2017, 08:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by McBryBry

Or I'm thinking just regular sparkling water, maybe get some flavor like Mio.

Originally Posted by Draper

Maybe sparkling water with Mio?

Has anyone done this successfully? I tried it once and it caused the sparkling water to fizz up all over. It was kind of like a Diet Coke/Mentos effect.

I've mostly been doing plain water, adding in Mio or Crystal Light flavoring when I absolutely NEED flavor. It's working for me, along with VERY occasional can of soda as a treat.
wondermega
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(07-17-2017, 08:57 PM)
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42 years old. On and off with soda (mostly Coke) for years. I've quit for 2, 3 months at a time, then it would come back with a vengeance. This past Nye I finally said "fuck it that's all" and been drinking mainly water since (occasional la Croix for the heck of it, but I don't "need" it). This is the longest stretch and I don't miss it to be honest.
Now if I could just quit booze as cleanly..
thechristoph
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(07-17-2017, 09:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by RetroMG

Has anyone done this successfully? I tried it once and it caused the sparkling water to fizz up all over. It was kind of like a Diet Coke/Mentos effect.

I've mostly been doing plain water, adding in Mio or Crystal Light flavoring when I absolutely NEED flavor. It's working for me, along with VERY occasional can of soda as a treat.

What I like to do is put some ice in a tall glass, fill it about halfway with the club soda, then either squirt the mio or dump in the powder, stir it a little, then pour in the rest of the club soda and stir it the rest of the way. This mitigates the foaming somewhat. It's still going to happen, but at least now you see it coming and you already have your flavor in the glass so you can deal with it easier.
Xe4
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(07-17-2017, 09:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hoo-doo

What isn't messed up in the US? Damn son.
Don't you have proper government regulations on tap water?

Yes, we do. I have no idea what that poster was talking about. There are EPA standards limiting the amount of lead in drinking water, and even if some places exceed it (I don't know if they do) it's still a long god damn way from being being able to give lead poisining.

A lot of shit's fucked in the US, but mostly on a regional/local level.
MarkusRJR
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(07-17-2017, 09:23 PM)
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I've been drinking more water along coffee and tea with a bit of milk (usually decaf since I don't want the caffeine buzz) and it usually helps a lot.

Then whenever I want something more "soda-like" I get either a sparkling water or one of those 0 calorie flavor bottles (like Mio, lemonade, etc) and add only a little bit for a lightly flavored water.

Still get cravings for diet soda pretty regularly but it'll inevitability go away with time I'm assuming.
Permanently A
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(07-17-2017, 09:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gutek

Um, no?

Edit: https://www.vox.com/a/lead-exposure-risk-map

Oh

well I'm gonna die I guess
Earthbound64
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(07-17-2017, 10:20 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gutek

Um, no?

Edit: https://www.vox.com/a/lead-exposure-risk-map

Hey, Connecticut's pretty good.

Wait, what's that dot of red up at the top?...
Oh, that's where I am.

Ah well, back to Diet Cola for me.
Gutek
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(07-17-2017, 10:22 PM)

Originally Posted by Xe4

Yes, we do. I have no idea what that poster was talking about. There are EPA standards limiting the amount of lead in drinking water, and even if some places exceed it (I don't know if they do) it's still a long god damn way from being being able to give lead poisining.

A lot of shit's fucked in the US, but mostly on a regional/local level.

I have bad news for you.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/...-lead-testing/
peteykirch
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(07-17-2017, 10:24 PM)
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I've been trying a few different things.

I stocked up on some Spindrift when it was on sale for dirt cheap, their Lemon, Raspberry Lime, and Blackberry flavors are really good.

I also make unsweetened tea and use crystallized lemon, lime, or orange to flavor it.

Then there is crystal light mixes as well.

I also like these a lot as well;

Orbis
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(07-17-2017, 10:40 PM)
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On a related note, I think my issue ditching diet soda (usually either Pepsi Max, Dr Pepper Zero or Coke Zero) has been the caffeine. If I switch to something without caffeine I end up with a terrible headache and feel like shit and am pretty restless until I get my cola fix. Any tips on dealing with this that doesn't involve coffee?

I've never smoked but the misery I've had getting off caffeine diet drinks has made me incredibly sympathetic to those quitting smoking.
Tigress
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(07-17-2017, 10:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by MindofKB

I kicked soda by drinking sparkling water. For me, it was definitely the carbonation that had me hooked. Now I just drink a sparkling water whenever I get that old craving and it works like a charm.

So any suggestions for some one who hates sparkling water (it's the taste... it still tastes like unflavored carbonated water or rather that taste comes through despite having some flavoring)?
Stinkles
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(07-17-2017, 10:48 PM)
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I haven't deliberately had a non diet soda in decades. Every now and then they'll give you regular coke by accident. I don't say nothin

What is the actual harm from diet soda, medically speaking?
Walter White Walker
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(07-17-2017, 10:54 PM)
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Unsweetened iced tea. It still has some caffeine so you won't get the withdrawal headache as bad.
andythinkpad
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(07-17-2017, 10:58 PM)
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Diet soda is addictive now? Just drink water.
maximum360
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(07-17-2017, 10:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by MindofKB

I kicked soda by drinking sparkling water. For me, it was definitely the carbonation that had me hooked. Now I just drink a sparkling water whenever I get that old craving and it works like a charm.

I guess that's one option. I can't sparkling water though. For the sugar fix just go the healthy route and keep fruits on hand. I realize it really helps curb the craving for sugary junk food if I have an apple or something on hand. I literally take an apple or two to work with me every day.
EXPotemkin
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(07-17-2017, 11:30 PM)
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Originally Posted by DOWN

Artificial sweeteners absolutely do not cause insulin to trigger Jesus

They do not affect blood sugar response http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/faq-20058038

Yes, they do. What they don't tell you is they only test for a few hours after the ingestion of said diet drink. It can take up to a day to actually show up.
Earthbound64
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(07-17-2017, 11:32 PM)
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Originally Posted by EXPotemkin

Originally Posted by DOWN

Artificial sweeteners absolutely do not cause insulin to trigger Jesus

They do not affect blood sugar response http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/faq-20058038

Yes, they do. What they don't tell you is [...]

Cool source / reference...
sechsterangriff
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(07-17-2017, 11:34 PM)
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You're in some really fucked up state if you can't bear to drink plain water...
Freshmaker
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(07-17-2017, 11:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by McBryBry

So, I've finally stopped drinking regular soda. I decided that I was cutting out the sugary drinks because they're awful and I've drank water and Diet MD for months now. However, I think I should keep going and get off of it entirely. My friend started drinking Clear Mountain Ice sparkling water. The different flavors are pretty good and I think I've figured out that the carbonation is what I crave. However, I'm skeptical on if these things are actually any better than diet soda. Would these be a good idea? Or I'm thinking just regular sparkling water, maybe get some flavor like Mio.

There's no actual reason to do so.
the_darkness
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(07-17-2017, 11:36 PM)
On the scale of vices, diet soft drinks are pretty much at the bottom of the list. You do you.

If you keep removing everything in any way objectionable from your life, what do you end up with?
g11
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(07-17-2017, 11:38 PM)
I moved from soda to diet soda and basically just stuck with those for about a year. I didn't notice any bad effects from diet soda, except maybe a slightly increase craving for sweets, but went ahead and moved toward sparkling water with some packets or Mio flavors. I liked that because I could kind of wean myself off the sweet taste by putting less and less in each time. Now I only really put a light squirt of Mio in with a meal but generally just drink sparkling water w/o anything else or just flat water most of the day.

I feel better since but that's probably more to do with getting caffeine mostly out of my diet than anything else with the diet soda. I don't buy that "diet soda causes tumors" or whatever bullshit.
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Dog Problems
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(07-17-2017, 11:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ottaro

Have a kidney stone.

You'll be drinking nothing but gallons of water in no time.

That's what worked for me. Definitely a kick in the ass to make some changes.
Chuck Norris
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(07-17-2017, 11:40 PM)
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Just cold turkey it. You won't feel like it at all in a few months
Fenderputty
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(07-17-2017, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Schattenjäger

Hate to be the bearer of bad news

Still beats diet soda though

http://nypost.com/2017/07/17/sparkli...-good-for-you/

Sparking water might not be as healthy as water, but if you're replacing a carbonated drink already it's the much healthier version. The second point seems to be correlative and not a causative effect.

Originally Posted by Earthbound64

Cool source / reference...

You mean ... you don't take EXPotemkin at his word?
KorrZ
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(07-17-2017, 11:42 PM)
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Just make the switch to water. Seriously. You will feel and look better, its free most places and after a few weeks you won't miss the mountain of sugar at all.

Just need a little bit of self control and it's easy.
Joe Shlabotnik
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(07-17-2017, 11:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gutek

Um, no?

Edit: https://www.vox.com/a/lead-exposure-risk-map

That map is about lead exposure risk in general, which is largely attributable to lead paint in old houses.
EXPotemkin
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(07-17-2017, 11:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Earthbound64

Cool source / reference...

You'd have to read "Undoctored" by Dr. William Davis.

https://www.amazon.com/Undoctored-He...rds=undoctored
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Earthbound64
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(07-17-2017, 11:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Fenderputty

You mean ... you don't take EXPotemkin at his word?

He might be an EXPert...


Originally Posted by EXPotemkin

You'd have to read "Undoctored" by Dr. William Davis.

https://www.amazon.com/Undoctored-He...rds=undoctored

Oh, ok... :/
So, what are the relevant scientifically-backed statistics that you're referring to?

EDIT: Oh, here's his blog page

The food you eat is making you sick and the agencies that are providing you with guidelines on what to eat are giving dangerous advice with devastating health consequences.

Who had the audacity to write such an against-the-grain book exposing “healthy whole grains” for the incredibly destructive genetic monsters they’ve become?

That’s me, Dr. William Davis, cardiologist and seeker-of-truth in health.

Oh goodness...
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louiedog
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(07-17-2017, 11:50 PM)
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Originally Posted by DOWN

Huh? That’s like saying your mind is blown that people can’t spend their days eating quinoa and plain chicken breasts because it’s healthy. People taste great thing, human behavior doesn’t let them forget great thing when having less great thing.

lol. Evolution! I can't help it! I have to make bad comparisons!
Nerfgun
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(07-17-2017, 11:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Hoo-doo

You just got to bite the bullet and switch off the sweetened drinks altogether.

Plain old tap water is the king of beverages. It'll save you tons of money as well.
Once you're off the sweet stuff for a while you can't even stand the taste of that stuff anymore. It's comically sweet.

All I need is the sweet, sweet taste of my own moral superiority.

Seriously though Hoo-doo is right and this is an easy thing you can do to test your willpower and come out way ahead health-wise.
Keyser Soze
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(07-17-2017, 11:52 PM)
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That's far too much lemon and ice in a small glass, but you get the idea
IdreamofHIME
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(07-17-2017, 11:53 PM)
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I drink San Pelligrino, I was surprised it's cheaper than Coke etc, at least here.
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(07-17-2017, 11:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by EXPotemkin

You'd have to read "Undoctored" by Dr. William Davis.

https://www.amazon.com/Undoctored-He...rds=undoctored

That's a really odd way to back up your claims.
EXPotemkin
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(07-17-2017, 11:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Earthbound64

He might be an EXPert...




Oh, ok... :/
So, what are the relevant scientifically-backed statistics that you're referring to?

EDIT: Oh, here's his blog page





Oh goodness...

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/artif...eners-insulin/ He's cites a bunch of studies done.
Bronetta
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(07-17-2017, 11:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by sechsterangriff

You're in some really fucked up state if you can't bear to drink plain water...

I know right? Where did things go so wrong that people can't bear to drink regular water and need to have it flavored/carbonated.
Earthbound64
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(07-17-2017, 11:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by EXPotemkin

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/artif...eners-insulin/ He's cites a bunch of studies done.

The notion that artificial sweeteners (and sweet tastes in general) might produce an insulin response is one of those murky memes that winds itself around the blogs, but it’s never stated one way or the other with any sort of confidence.
[...]
Do artificial sweeteners induce insulin secretion
[...]
Overall, the evidence seems to suggest little, if any, effect on insulin secretion as a result of tasting or consuming aspartame.
[...]
The evidence for saccharin’s effect on insulin is mixed, but either way, it doesn’t appear to have too big of an impact in real world terms.
[...]
We haven’t seen people orally taking acesulfame K in a fasted state and having an insulin response.
[...]
there’s not much if any evidence that sucralose has an independent in vivo effect on insulin.
[...]
So far as I can tell, according to the literature there isn’t an appreciable insulin effect from most sweeteners.

What are you even trying to do?...
Nerfgun
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(07-17-2017, 11:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Bronetta

I know right? Where did things go so wrong that people can't bear to drink regular water and need to have it flavored/carbonated.

I had an ex girlfirend who was like this. said she couldn't stomach plain water. she chugged iced tea all day. I told her she was strange. And it was true!
CrocMother
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(07-18-2017, 12:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by DOWN

More like the “please stop the unscientific vague fear posting”

Artificial sweeteners have become the most studied food ingredients in the world over the past four decades and continue to be safely consumed in all major world markets, especially those that have studied the sweeteners themselves

Nonnutritive sweeteners and cardiometabolic health: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials and prospective cohort studies


INTERPRETATION Evidence from RCTs does not clearly support the intended benefits of nonnutritive sweeteners for weight management, and observational data suggest that routine intake of nonnutritive sweeteners may be associated with increased BMI and cardiometabolic risk. Further research is needed to fully characterize the long-term risks and benefits of nonnutritive sweeteners. Protocol registration: PROSPERO-CRD42015019749

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EXPotemkin
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(07-18-2017, 12:01 AM)
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Originally Posted by Earthbound64

What are you even trying to do?...

He's saying that it's a case by case basis. So unless OP wants to sit around testing his blood sugar with each one of these sweeteners to see if they have an effect on him best to just avoid them altogether. Plain water is not difficult to drink.
rjinaz
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(07-18-2017, 12:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by peteykirch

I've been trying a few different things.

I stocked up on some Spindrift when it was on sale for dirt cheap, their Lemon, Raspberry Lime, and Blackberry flavors are really good.

I also make unsweetened tea and use crystallized lemon, lime, or orange to flavor it.

Then there is crystal light mixes as well.

I also like these a lot as well;

Right on. The True Lime Watermelon is amazing and it's mostly all I drink.
Earthbound64
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(07-18-2017, 12:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by EXPotemkin

He's saying that it's a case by case basis [..]

No, he's saying that there is no scientific basis for any concerns.
But he wants to sell books.

What you're claiming is basically on the same page as "Vaccines could cause autism! Some people who have been vaccinated developed autism! So you'd better check it out for yourself!"

And, before you say "Well, vaccines have a positive benefit and this doesn't" - that doesn't change the lack of evidence for any of the "concerns" that you and he are making up.
CrocMother
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(07-18-2017, 12:11 AM)
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My above post summarized the interpretation from the randomized controlled trials, the cohort studies were more direct:

In the cohort studies, consumption of nonnutritive sweeteners was associated with increases in weight and waist circumference, and higher incidence of obesity, hypertension, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular events. Publication bias was indicated for studies with diabetes as an outcome

Diet soda is bad for your health.

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