The fucks in congress do, besides Graham and McCain, but Mattis doesn't.
I really wonder what will happen when him and Trump inevitably clash.
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Trump calls NATO "obsolete"
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The fucks in congress do, besides Graham and McCain, but Mattis doesn't.
I really wonder what will happen when him and Trump inevitably clash.
Damerman
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whats bothering me is we are just siting and acting like this isn't happening. where is the uproar? all i see are late night jokes about how trump is putin's lover... but nothing serious.
GoldenEye 007
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Rubio don't give a fuck either. He's already talking about the need to re-elect Trump.
kingkaiser
Member
What she does best, austerity bombing from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
eot
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That they helped doesn't change the facts about their military budgets.
I never had faith in that puke doing anything. I'm sure he'll back Tillerson.
GoldenEye 007
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No checks. And little threat of any true checks even after 2018. Dems are marginalized at every level of government. I mean when Nixon was being a fuck, the Dems had both the House and Senate.
Here? Dems have zero meaningful power to do anything.
thehypocrite
Member
NATO increases the political and economical cost of war, so by your own argument it's not obsolete and part of the solution. Thus, tell me again how the golden waterfall of piss can be right about NATO.
iz.podpolja
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Nah, PiS loves Orban, Orban loves Putin, but PiS hates Putin. They might be equally authoritarian though, it seems that it is the common characteristics of political developments in Eastern Europe these days.
If the rest of the world manages to survive through the process, I'd gladly welcome it.
Yah but. Economic anxieties, both sides are the same, don't trust clinton, etc.
Who am i kidding. the electorate is a joke.
"Bernie. Or. Bust."
thehypocrite
Member
Nobody is going to pay. He's not expecting them to pay. Now even less that the mask is off of comrade orange piss. He is not going to reduce the debt. He will fuck over everyone and everything to benefit putin.
More Fun To Compute
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The arms race and proxy wars increased the political and economic cost of peace, that's a major reason behind why the soviet union collapsed. Things like the refugee crisis and syria increase the cost of peace in Europe. Honestly I would be happier to live in a world where there was not an arms race, proxy wars and a lethal nuclear stand off right on my doorstep. I don't know why Russia needs to spend such a crazy % of it's GDP on military spending.
thehypocrite
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The ultimate cost, but ignorant US citizens think that they are all free riders that are getting a free lunch.
thehypocrite
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You didn't answer the question. Do so or stop replying to my posts with a canned response that follows no logical sequence of discussion.
Again, I'm not defending his reasoning but I understand why he's saying what he's trying to do. Instead of a dollar vs. the rest of the world, I envision he is going to offer trade tariffs of countries that don't comply with how he thinks things should be done. What's funny is this is a completely isolationist stance as well as globalization move however Trump wants to control how things work.
Truly he is delusional.
What does the * mean? Also, 158 casualty for Canada? Isn't that big especially how small Canada's population is? Or should I say its forces?
More Fun To Compute
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Maintaining a large standing army increases the cost of peace because the military costs money. A state that is heavily dependent on the military industrial complex is not politically opposed to war since it's a source of the livelihood of people deeply connected to the government. It's true that the devastation of modern war dramatically increases the cost of war to the point where it doesn't really make as much sense for major powers to go to war with each other to make money. But war is not obsolete.
moondoggerr
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smokeandmirrors
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and influence in those areas.
Frozenprince
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EU needs to federalize
capitalCORN
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Massive respect. And Trump is not be trusted
ThoseDeafMutes
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It does, but it won't / can't. It's too much too fast. Especially with nationalism resurgent.
There needs to be a strong core that can move towards federalization without worrying about the periphery. My previous proposal is France, Germany, Benelux. But even that much "easier" group of countries is an implausible near future prospect. Anti-EU movements are too strong and many people who are pro-EU in general are against federalization.
thehypocrite
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I never said war was obsolete. You said Trump was right, but then you agreed that NATO isn't obsolete as it increases the cost of war. Thus the question still remains why is comrade orange piss right again?
excelsiorlef
Member
Can you answer the question instead of dodging? Do you believe Trump is right and that NATO is obsolete?
Barajas_201
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Wow, is Trump really gonna destroy the empire? If so, can't wait!
EU better unite even further now tho, maybe even save the weak members they'd screwed over like Greece. Also, EU army soon?
EU better unite even further now tho, maybe even save the weak members they'd screwed over like Greece. Also, EU army soon?
Dubbedinenglish
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Yes. In the immediate they need to put together a rapid reaction force of 2-3 divisions ready to deploy around the continent.
SatelliteOfLove
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It's funny, it's like that dossier is still the going plan going forward despite the compromising.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
More Fun To Compute
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I'm not dodging anything in terms of replies to what I wrote. NATO is an institution created when the world looked different to what it is today. Is Trump the right person to reinvent it? Is he the right person to clean your toilet? I doubt it, but he has the job.
No, he's just going to make it subservient to a different one.
This is not the right path for antiimperialism.
Shadynasty
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Ukraine never became a member of NATO. If they would have one could argue that the invasion of Crimea would have went much differently. Now they could join NATO and it probably won't mean shit.
Whether Trump is just trolling or not. It's not a great idea publicly talk shit on such a strategically essential alliance for eastern Europe. Even with all that I can't see him turning his back on the alliance especially if a NATO member is attacked.
This isn't the right person to engage on this point. He doesn't give a shit. He somehow thinks Trump isn't all that bad for mexico.
PowderedToast
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there is no reinvention or reform happening here. it's a dismantling.
this is the road to isolationism, protectionism and - i don't care if this term is becoming overused - fascism.
Insane Metal
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This can't end well.
Barajas_201
Member
Hmm, interesting. It's true this isn't how I wanted it, especially because being from Mexico we're gonna be hit the hardest, but what is the right path?
Ukraine is NOT NATO! Why some people don't seem to understand that is beyond me. Also how do you figure the Eastern Bloc's defense is not coming from NATO? Do you think Russia would not try to instigate more power plays in Poland for example without NATO? If you don't, you are not using your brain.
Shadynasty
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It's not actually any of that.. yet. Now it's just talk, shit talking, posturing etc. I've watched Trump do this with so many things and the only way I can accurately describe it is trolling. He makes purposeful provocative statements to illicit outrage. Look at these OT threads. He's a troll. Chappelle was 100% correct. Why he's doing it is another story and I can only speculate like everyone else. Only he knows.
thehypocrite
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You were created in a time the world looked different from now, are you obsolete? That's one of the weakest arguments I've ever read. Tell me again why comrade orange piss is right as you originally claimed.
excelsiorlef
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He is calling it obsolete as in it must cease to exist... do you believe it is in fact obsolete?
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