Any reviews / benchmarks on the Bitfenix compared to the other fans? I'd really like the most silent fan possible.
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Any reviews / benchmarks on the Bitfenix compared to the other fans? I'd really like the most silent fan possible.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Mountain Mods make good cases too. They are expensive though
Narpas Sword0
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Not really
If you are ok with your dual card solution I'd stick with it, but if you are not pleased I'd definitely jump on a 680 or 7970 depending on your prices.
Probably just having something stupid unplugged. Common mistakes are the motherboard 4/8 pin power or a screw left behind the motherboard. Super common.
Extra RAM is only used if... it's used. There's no performance boost for having more RAM.
Almost all titles except BF3 and Witcher 2 on very high settings (High enough your FPS should be not great) fall under 1.2GB of vRAM. iirc
Good for you! Hope everything goes well with your Windows install.
I can easily see the CPU lever and the Noctua being issues. Are your temps ok in the BIOS?
Fans on your motherboard are good, they can get controlled that way.
Depends how much flow you are looking for? 35CFM or 60CFM?
Again, there's a ton of good fans on the market, but I really like the Scythe Kama II's I have.
Have nothing in mind, no idea what I need, just need a decent exhaust. So a 200mm solution that is quiet yet moves as much air as possible is probably what I'm looking for.
Anything is an improvement over the default 1 x 120mm, oh and black or red is a must.
Noctua excels at quiet but they don't have 200mm. The bitfenix spectre pros are much better than the cm 200mm.
Alright, think I'll just snag one of the Bitfenix 200mm in red, thanks.
Oh by the way, need some cheap black DVD drive - Is the Samsung SH-222BB okay?
Hawk269
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There is going to be the Ivy Bridge E processor sometime at the end of the year or next year. It will be compatible with 2011 socket. If they follow the same plan like the SBE processors they will be a 6 core processor without the iGPU. Which if they do that with it being a larger chip it may help with the heat issues when you do a good OC on them. SBE has 3 variants with the big boy being $1000.00. So if they follow the same path we will see a $1000 & $500 or so CPU.
Hawk269
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Sethos- I really like my Noiseblockers...they are really quiet and push some good amount of air. I also got 2 Scythe Silent Typhoon's for my H100 cooler and they are also very good. The ramp up to a higher RPM which is what I wanted to keep the CPU cool when pushing it. Both are bit pricey, but very good.
So, it's time to upgrade. I only need the following parts:
Motherboard
CPU (and possibly aftermarket fan, if the stock fan is loud? I hate noise)
GPU
RAM
SSD
I want to wait for the sweet new Ivy Bridges to come out, so I guess I should wait a few days? My budget for these five parts is about a thousand dollars, though I'm more concerned with performance per dollar.
Hellllllp me, knowledgeable GAF!
Motherboard
CPU (and possibly aftermarket fan, if the stock fan is loud? I hate noise)
GPU
RAM
SSD
I want to wait for the sweet new Ivy Bridges to come out, so I guess I should wait a few days? My budget for these five parts is about a thousand dollars, though I'm more concerned with performance per dollar.
Hellllllp me, knowledgeable GAF!
Mobo - ASUS P8Z77-V LE $165
CPU - 3770K - $330
GPU - Depends on when you are building, if possible wait 1-2 weeks for the GTX670. ~$350
RAM - 4x4GB 1.5V 1866Mhz - $97
SSD - Samsung 830. 128GB or 256GB depending on how much you want space wise.
Only five percent? Yeesh. Yeah, I don't need that.
What Z68 mobo do you recommend? And thanks for the help. = D
Re looking at what I'd recommend YOU. I'd probably go with the Z77 LE board and Ivy after all. Ivy is better for the same price for most normal users and overclocking and the price tiers of the Z77 mobos are only about $10-$15 extra. I forgot how ASUS lined up their Z77 tiers (They have 10 models).
It's the pricing of lower tier Z68 boards that are $110 with Sandy that I usually focus on, but I wouldn't tell you to get one of those.
The 3770K and 1866 RAM is because I know you do heavy computational work, same goes for 16GB. If you only need 4 thread the 3570K saves you $100 and 8GB vs 16GB saves $40.
Stock fan is very quiet, but I'd recommend you get an aftermarket cooler like a 212+ EVO or if you are feeling spunky, the HR 02 Macho: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ERSN7G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Overclocking your CPU to ~4.4Ghz comfortably is a very big bonus in performance speed.
It's the pricing of lower tier Z68 boards that are $110 with Sandy that I usually focus on, but I wouldn't tell you to get one of those.
The 3770K and 1866 RAM is because I know you do heavy computational work, same goes for 16GB. If you only need 4 thread the 3570K saves you $100 and 8GB vs 16GB saves $40.
Stock fan is very quiet, but I'd recommend you get an aftermarket cooler like a 212+ EVO or if you are feeling spunky, the HR 02 Macho: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ERSN7G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Overclocking your CPU to ~4.4Ghz comfortably is a very big bonus in performance speed.
I suppose that's true, but I'm also very impatient. = P
Try to wait as the 670 should be THE card to buy. It and Ivy come pretty soon.
Lion Heart
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Monitors.
What do you guys prefer regarding matte vs gloss screens? I'm not sure what I like better, I've had a matte screen forever and from what I've seen (my friends) the gloss screen looks nice too but watching movies in bright environments has me skeptical. Is there a clear favourite regarding PQ?
What do you guys prefer regarding matte vs gloss screens? I'm not sure what I like better, I've had a matte screen forever and from what I've seen (my friends) the gloss screen looks nice too but watching movies in bright environments has me skeptical. Is there a clear favourite regarding PQ?
I can wait a few weeks for the GPU...I have a 5850 now, which is fine...but is Ivy Bridge confirmed for the end of April? If it is, I can wait. If it isn't, meh, 5% doesn't mean that much to me. Will a SB processor work on a Z77 chipset mobo? The one you linked looks pretty boss.Try to wait as the 670 should be THE card to buy. It and Ivy come pretty soon.
Ivy most likely will be available 4/29. And yes SB should work fine on Z77.
If you need any additional help just PM me.
Anyone else to chime in on Z77 boards is very much welcome because they are new, but largely the same to the Z68 models.
*And if you are price sensitive you can just buy a used 2600K for much less. CPUs pretty much are a 1/1000000 chance of being sour or going bad.
This one is even new for $260. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1688483
faceless007
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Is it unusual for the release date for Intel CPUs to be unconfirmed 4 days out? I can't think of many other products where they try to keep the release date secret until it actually hits; usually it's marketing awareness 101 to get the date out early to get people hyped and ready to buy.
There are a few in the wild already so some places have gotten shipments / chips. Not uncommon for Intel or the GPU guys either.
Enthusiasts figure this stuff out so Intel doesn't try to market anything unless I'm mistaken. Normal consumers don't care. OEMs/resellers are told.
Launch marketing is basically a newegg or NCIX newsletter saying they are out.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
Will a phenom 2 X4 3.6ghz bottleneck a 570/670?
How bad if it does as i don't want to upgrade my CPU until fall/winter.
How bad if it does as i don't want to upgrade my CPU until fall/winter.
Yup. Depends on the game. You'll still get some good performance, just not as good.
NDA was lifted 2 days ago.
Main points:
4.4Ghz on ~1.10V seems to be norm, any higher is hard or gets super hot and draws tons of power. Much worse than SB.
About 5% faster roughly for easy numbers
No idle wattage savings, ok load savings
*Useful:
I have a glossy panel and two matte panels. I'm considering getting two more matte panels when I sell my laptop with it's glossy panel, but that is because IPS panels only seem to come in matte. The coating is noticeable when you have a glossy and matte sitting next to eachother and I would avoid it if possible since it does degrade PQ by some amount, but I'd say that for IPS the benefits outweigh it. Go to a local store and check them out.
Intel's index says 4/29/12, and has at least since the NDA was lifted.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Quick input on GPUS:
Decided to go with a
I5 2500k Intel CPU
This mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293&fb_source=message
And the GPU is the thing I am trying to figure out.
I was initially told to look at the 560 TIs, 2GB is a bit out of what I'm wanting to pay (looks to be 280 or so in my research), the 1GB is around 230. However I'd really like to get something cheaper for now.
I've considered the 460 GTX as I know it would run Diablo III (primary purpose) on full and likely a lot else on high while costing me about 130. I'd much rather spend 120-150 on a GPU and then down the road pick up a better one.
I was told to check out the 6850 Sapphire as an alternative to the GTX in the same price range, but have been lately looking at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125383 160 after rebate. So 20-40 more than I was considering. Would this be worth the extra money? I'm just not sure what to do and I am not knowledagble on GPU, haven't had a desktop in years. Further, would the 560 TI *really* be worth the upgrade past that? They're both a gig, what am I really getting respectively that I'm not privy to? Plus why do these more expensive ones seem to have mini HDMI? That's a real pain for me, but is that how many newer cards come or..?
I'd be playing D3, Witcher 2, etc.. whatever comes along I can use.
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Also, since Ivy Bridge came can I realistically expect to see a price drop on sandy bridge anytime soon or no?
Decided to go with a
I5 2500k Intel CPU
This mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293&fb_source=message
And the GPU is the thing I am trying to figure out.
I was initially told to look at the 560 TIs, 2GB is a bit out of what I'm wanting to pay (looks to be 280 or so in my research), the 1GB is around 230. However I'd really like to get something cheaper for now.
I've considered the 460 GTX as I know it would run Diablo III (primary purpose) on full and likely a lot else on high while costing me about 130. I'd much rather spend 120-150 on a GPU and then down the road pick up a better one.
I was told to check out the 6850 Sapphire as an alternative to the GTX in the same price range, but have been lately looking at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125383 160 after rebate. So 20-40 more than I was considering. Would this be worth the extra money? I'm just not sure what to do and I am not knowledagble on GPU, haven't had a desktop in years. Further, would the 560 TI *really* be worth the upgrade past that? They're both a gig, what am I really getting respectively that I'm not privy to? Plus why do these more expensive ones seem to have mini HDMI? That's a real pain for me, but is that how many newer cards come or..?
I'd be playing D3, Witcher 2, etc.. whatever comes along I can use.
EDIT:
Also, since Ivy Bridge came can I realistically expect to see a price drop on sandy bridge anytime soon or no?
Question fellas.
I have an AMD Phenom II X6 1055t. I did the BIOS tweak that stops the clocks from fluctuating which had a lot to do with early bad benchmarks. Now it runs like a regular Phenom II with all 6 cores at 3.36 Ghz
I have a 580 GTX and I have a 680 GTX on order. Due to be here May 8th.
How much of a performance increase can I expect with that CPU? Is it as bad as some of my friends would have me believe? I wish the big tech blogs would rebenchmark it with the BIOS tweaks everyone figured out. At first it was slower than the 955 it was replacing, not it's hanging with my buddies 2600k in Cinebench. Anyone know the real deal on these CPUs? I got it crazy cheap and didn't need to upgrade my motherboard to use it, so I got it.
BF3 is the only game I know makes use of all 6 cores. I guess there's a good chance Max Payne 3 will makes use of all 6 too?
Should I be looking at a CPU upgrade? I play at 1080p, but I do run a monitor on the side off the same card. The only computing I do that requires more than a tablet is PC gaming.
I have an AMD Phenom II X6 1055t. I did the BIOS tweak that stops the clocks from fluctuating which had a lot to do with early bad benchmarks. Now it runs like a regular Phenom II with all 6 cores at 3.36 Ghz
I have a 580 GTX and I have a 680 GTX on order. Due to be here May 8th.
How much of a performance increase can I expect with that CPU? Is it as bad as some of my friends would have me believe? I wish the big tech blogs would rebenchmark it with the BIOS tweaks everyone figured out. At first it was slower than the 955 it was replacing, not it's hanging with my buddies 2600k in Cinebench. Anyone know the real deal on these CPUs? I got it crazy cheap and didn't need to upgrade my motherboard to use it, so I got it.
BF3 is the only game I know makes use of all 6 cores. I guess there's a good chance Max Payne 3 will makes use of all 6 too?
Should I be looking at a CPU upgrade? I play at 1080p, but I do run a monitor on the side off the same card. The only computing I do that requires more than a tablet is PC gaming.
You'll get better performance from games that are more CPU bound, for sure. But, almost all games are ultimately bottlenecked by the GPU. You'll still get gains going from a 580->680 (though marginal, kind of a bad upgrade IMO), maybe 10-15%. If you want more performance, than you certainly could upgrade your motherboard and processor.
The 680 GTX is free. Expense account + 1 obscure CUDA app get me free GeForce cards for life.
OC your CPU yo!
6870 is the best value and can be had for $145AR though the 4601GB is not a bad deal either.
evilpigking
Member
Couple quick questions before I take the dive and start buying (although I already bought a 2tb hdd...)
How often do people actually need to RMA? Hard to tell off reviews because only the people motivated to post generally do so, thus the sample is unbalanced.
Flash forward 2-4 years, what is generally the bottle neck the GPU? If so, would it be better to replace it with a newer one or buy a second copy of the current one and link them? (Trying to decide if I need a mobo with 2 PCIe 3.0 slots).
What wattage PSU is needed to run a single GPU? (ex. upcoming gtx670 or something else in the $300-400 range)?
Thanks!
How often do people actually need to RMA? Hard to tell off reviews because only the people motivated to post generally do so, thus the sample is unbalanced.
Flash forward 2-4 years, what is generally the bottle neck the GPU? If so, would it be better to replace it with a newer one or buy a second copy of the current one and link them? (Trying to decide if I need a mobo with 2 PCIe 3.0 slots).
What wattage PSU is needed to run a single GPU? (ex. upcoming gtx670 or something else in the $300-400 range)?
Thanks!
Wolf Akela
Member
The last time I had to RMA something was back in April 2009. PSU toasted my new-ish motherboard (totally my fault) but somehow they still accepted it.
Otherwise... I don't really remember. You can still bad eggs from the best makers.
SLI/XF is for enthusiasts only. I would really rather just get one strong card.
If you're thinking of investing on a motherboard that supports that, assuming that you save money by going SLI/XF after several years... there's still the chance that the SLI/XF profiles won't be well updated for older cards.
Good 500W is enough for any single GPU.
DyslexicAlucard
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I need a reply ASAP.
What say you, GAF? Worth it, or should I wait until the 670 is announced?
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67644&vpn=58NLH5DI5TXX&manufacture=Galaxy Technology&promoid=1058
What say you, GAF? Worth it, or should I wait until the 670 is announced?
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67644&vpn=58NLH5DI5TXX&manufacture=Galaxy Technology&promoid=1058
It's not bad, and free BF3 is a nice deal. If you are ok with extra heat it'll spit out it's not terrible. The 670 I WOULD IMAGINE would be very similar performance at that price but use much less power. Not sure on overclocking due to the new power thing. I'm sure they'll limit it some way since it's the same GK104 chip for 670 and 680.
Personally I'd wait, but I'm betting the 670 will be a great card for the money, or at least AMD price drops 78xx.
1) Not often. Low single digits %. Depends on product as well.
2) 2-4 years? Looking at current CPU progression, GPU for sure. Most games are GPU bound too. PCI-E 3.0 won't matter for another 2 years, maybe even 4. Even if it does come into play it'll be negligible.
3) A good 500W is fine.
evilpigking
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Thanks Wolf and Hazaro.
Looks like now I just wait for things to actually come out.
Looks like now I just wait for things to actually come out.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Just finished installing Windows on my new build. I will post pics and details later today. I had only two hiccups in the install.
1. Forgot to plug in the 8-pin power into the mobo.
2. Didn't actually install the memory. My dumbass had the memory backwards and wondered why it didn't "click".
I am going to have to play with the bios and get the boot order right, as it is stopping at the bios now and I am forcing it to boot off the solid state drive.
Feels good to finally have a high performance machine. Can't wait to load some games!
1. Forgot to plug in the 8-pin power into the mobo.
2. Didn't actually install the memory. My dumbass had the memory backwards and wondered why it didn't "click".
I am going to have to play with the bios and get the boot order right, as it is stopping at the bios now and I am forcing it to boot off the solid state drive.
Feels good to finally have a high performance machine. Can't wait to load some games!
Hey man, thanks. I'll check it out, unfortunately I live in a country where lots of stuff isn't available. The noiseblockers for one I can't find anywhere. Think I'll just stick to that one 200mm
SO I bought some of this RAM today
Does anyone for see any issues running this is an i7-930? It's worked so far and it isn't warm, but is the increased Voltage going to reduce it's longevity?
You could just run it at 1.35v on your x58 mobo.
NewEgg just came to my rescue.
Is there any big difference between this GTX 460 256-bit and this GTX 460 256-bit? The latter is the one I have now in my computer, but is it worth spending that much more on it (refurbished, mind you) just to SLI it with the current GTX 460 I have now or just go with the $99 one?
Edit - I mean the $99 one is slightly less clocked, but I'm sure I can OC it right around to where I have my GTX 460 at now (or just lower that one a bit). Barring any major differences, I'm probably going to just go with the $99 version and buy the $9.99 1-year warranty, and I assume it will SLI with my GTX 460 that I have (which is the second one listed above). How is the quality of NewEgg refurbished products?
Is there any big difference between this GTX 460 256-bit and this GTX 460 256-bit? The latter is the one I have now in my computer, but is it worth spending that much more on it (refurbished, mind you) just to SLI it with the current GTX 460 I have now or just go with the $99 one?
Edit - I mean the $99 one is slightly less clocked, but I'm sure I can OC it right around to where I have my GTX 460 at now (or just lower that one a bit). Barring any major differences, I'm probably going to just go with the $99 version and buy the $9.99 1-year warranty, and I assume it will SLI with my GTX 460 that I have (which is the second one listed above). How is the quality of NewEgg refurbished products?
The 99$ one is an SE model. I think people have said in the past to not buy the SE model.
The 99 dollar version is the SE. If it were me, I'd pay the extra and get the real GTX 460.
I accidentally bought the SE model instead of the normal one early 2011, and I regret it.
I see...
Well, I do love my "actual" GTX 460...
It'll be here tomorrow regardless of which I choose, guess I'll just suck it up and pay a bit more tax too and buy my same exact card again. Hoping I get a good refurbished one. And thanks! Seems like there is a lot of negativity toward the SE model, haha. I should have known better, cause I've seen people (in this same topic) call it the "Shit Edition."
I need some help with PC upgrade/new PC decisions. I'm not the most adept with all the tech details of processor and video card speed knowledge.
I currently have an i7-860, 2.8-3.4 with 8 gig RAM and an ATI 5850 with 1 gig.
It runs pretty good, playing Fallout New Vegas maxed. Not the most graphically intensive game but still good.
I have some extra money and wanted to upgrade some. So my questions are:
1) is my PC still good as is, ie any upgrade won't be a major one and the bang for the buck isn't there? Better to just wait.
2) worth upgrading the video card and if so, best bang for the buck?
3) if I were to completely get a new PC, what's the best avenue to go? I'm not the most savvy with build your own. The console sized Alienware are cool but most ppl seem to indicate they could be more powerful and are usually talking about new video cards for it.
Any guidance would be appreciated! Thanks!
I currently have an i7-860, 2.8-3.4 with 8 gig RAM and an ATI 5850 with 1 gig.
It runs pretty good, playing Fallout New Vegas maxed. Not the most graphically intensive game but still good.
I have some extra money and wanted to upgrade some. So my questions are:
1) is my PC still good as is, ie any upgrade won't be a major one and the bang for the buck isn't there? Better to just wait.
2) worth upgrading the video card and if so, best bang for the buck?
3) if I were to completely get a new PC, what's the best avenue to go? I'm not the most savvy with build your own. The console sized Alienware are cool but most ppl seem to indicate they could be more powerful and are usually talking about new video cards for it.
Any guidance would be appreciated! Thanks!
1) Yeah, it's pretty good. Best option for you is to get a better CPU cooling solution and overclock more.
2) That's a tough one, and dependent upon how much you want to spend. When you're upgrading from a really good part like that, you can't purchase from the price
erformance, it's better to look at price:gained performance. I can't say for certain what that is, but my gut tells me 7950.3) You shouldn't. Your processor is still great.
Yes.
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