Originally Posted by TheWraith
Oh god, the "but you're western you don't understand crap". I have studied both Cantonese and Mandarin, and have lived and studied in university in China for two years, and now live in Hong Kong for almost 15 years. I have travelled all over China and met and still meet people of all walks of life there on many travels to China.
Also please ask Liu Xiabo's wife or Ai Weiwei what kind of attitude they have regarding rule of governance in their life. Truth is China is a country without any real rule of law, surely that can't be held as some kind of ideal for other countries to strife for.
Yet for all that study you clearly didn't learn a thing.
People know. People talk. In private. Public solidarity, private dissent.
Their system has its flaws, it's injustices. But it's also hierarchical to a level that makes it predictable, stable, comfortable.
What is the intent of those that seek to radically alter the predictable stability for hundreds of millions? Is it really to make their lives better? Is an under educated farmer from norther inner mongolia really someone that needs the burden of a 'vote'? That just makes them a target for manipulation, pressure, alteration.
The engine of power and authority is not impenetrable in China. You can work your way up through the system and exert your will on society. They just don't let a random person that's not gone to the meetings, not shown their commitment to civil society suddenly become a decision maker. You need to be invested. Known.
There is a rule of law. It's just not one you perceive as being conducive to freedom. Your type of freedom, your exertion of freedom. On the other hand I look at the US and see how ' freedom of speech ' swiftly becomes a brick in the altar of ' freedom to exploit and manipulate' permeating the fabric of society. Notwithstanding that there is speech and political ideas in the US that will get you shot just as quickly. Did you forget to read the reports how the far left movements have been repeatedly infiltrated by the fbi for decades? Is that your idea of ' liberalism '? Kent State happened twenty years before Tiananmen.....
There's an idealistic version of human society that operates well with voting. You can see it in European micro states with culturally homogeneous populations and high education levels. Yet to suddenly spring that on a developing society honestly stinks of nefarious intent: a desire to light the powder keg on their stability.
Making arguments to the lowest points of injustice as if they definitive proof of abject failure is intellectually dishonest. Should we have pointed to the robber Baron era of the US as a failure state for the representative Republic? I mean western thought brought us corporatism as a concept. No idea is more damaging to human freedom than limited liability for human decisions. To think that can be a ' legal ' concept and claim these societies operate according to rule of law is absurd.