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No_Style
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(10-21-2010, 11:39 PM)
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Damn it. I want a 6850 now.

Oh PC hardware upgrade cycle...
THE:MILKMAN
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(10-21-2010, 11:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jin34

9 inch length I believe, 10.5 for the 6870, don't know about the height though.

Sounds good! Cheers..........Think the 6850 is the one then.

Looking at the benchmarks @1080p, it is on some games 2x faster than the 5770 for ~15 more.(@Ebuyer)
DieH@rd
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(10-21-2010, 11:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by golem

When will the 5970 replacement drop

December. 6990.



Crossfire scores
Shai-Tan
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(10-22-2010, 12:05 AM)
Will the 3d on the cards be available at launch and will it support regular 3d televisions? It would be nice to consolidate my 3d movies/ps3/pc on one display. I'm on nvidia currently and the cost of the 3d kit is too much for me to justify only for pc games on top of sli to get it running at a good frame rate (already play the games on the tv in 2d via hdmi/usb through the walls)
brain_stew
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(10-22-2010, 12:06 AM)

Originally Posted by cyberheater

The GTX 460 is something like $70 cheaper then the HD6850 in the UK. That's quite a gap.

Its not.

Already selling for close to the 130 mark:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/244431


The cheapest GTX 460 768MBs are around 125 and you'll be at least 150 for the 1GB version so in the UK, so its a no brainer to go with a 6850 here, unlike the US.
Lasthope106
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(10-22-2010, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Deathcraze

My 8800gt is failing and needs to be replaced and I wouldn't have to fiddle with PSU wires if I went for a 6850 instead of a GTX 460 so that is pretty enticing to me. My only worry is I've always used Nvidia cards in my PCs and I'm not used to ATI/AMDs drivers which don't always receive the best of plaudits.



6850 is cheaper on ebuyer unless I'm missing something obvious.

I'm already seeing the 460 priced below $200 in newegg.com. The last time one of my computers had an ATI graphics card was back in 2002. How much worse are the AMD drivers? Just from reading the forums AMD doesn't always get the best rep in that respect.
Insane Metal
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(10-22-2010, 12:31 AM)
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Holy shit, amazing performance for the price & wattage! :o
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 12:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lasthope106

I'm already seeing the 460 priced below $200 in newegg.com. The last time one of my computers had an ATI graphics card was back in 2002. How much worse are the AMD drivers? Just from reading the forums AMD doesn't always get the best rep in that respect.

You should visit the nvidia support forums. Both companies deliver good drivers, sometimes they deliver a so-so one, then fixes in the next versions.
Jin34
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(10-22-2010, 12:35 AM)
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Another thing I hadn't thought about is that these are on launch drivers, in a few months these cards will perform even better. No wonder they didn't care about lowering the 5800 series prices, they knew they had the 460 beaten already with these cards and just wanted to squeeze every cent out of the old cards.
52club
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(10-22-2010, 12:37 AM)
Looking forward to my next build. I'm still rocking an oc'd q6600 with a GTX 275, with new cpus with new sockets due at beginning of 2011 I'll be upgrading at that time. It is nice to see the prices dropping on these video cards.
Grimm Fandango
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(10-22-2010, 12:48 AM)
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Fair to assume a drop in the 460's price in order to make it more appealing?
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Mudkips
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(10-22-2010, 12:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by darthbob

No. The 68xx series is AMD's mid range product this cycle. 69xx is their high end 'flagship'.

This is still retarded, however, as the x8xx GPUs have been their flagships for ages.
If the 6950 comes out as the flasgship, we only have the 6970 name for the speed bump, and the 6990 version for the dual GPU version.

OEMs will end up branding their top-of-the line models shit like "6995 SSC+ MAX", and when the refreshes it, we'll get "6995 SSC+ MAX v2" or some shit.
Angelus Errare
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(10-22-2010, 01:12 AM)
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Might have to jump on this, I currently have a 4870 and that shit pumps out more heat than a fuckin nuclear power plant in overdrive.
THE:MILKMAN
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(10-22-2010, 01:13 AM)
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My 6850 is ordered now.:D Should have it either Saturday or Monday.
x3sphere
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(10-22-2010, 01:25 AM)
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Looks promising. Interested in seeing the 69xx cards.
vanguardian1
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(10-22-2010, 01:47 AM)
Looks good, what about slightly lower end versions? (ATI 3850 here)
evil solrac v3.0
(10-22-2010, 01:55 AM)
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does newegg have them yet?
Xavien
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(10-22-2010, 02:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Ryoma-Echizen

You should visit the nvidia support forums. Both companies deliver good drivers, sometimes they deliver a so-so one, then fixes in the next versions.

Atleast Nvidia has reps on their forums, AMD forums have no reps to be seen anywhere.

As for me, I brought a 5970 before (GTX 460s now), I don't think I'll be going AMD again until they seriously improve their software.
JoeFu
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(10-22-2010, 02:19 AM)
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Originally Posted by evil solrac v3.0

does newegg have them yet?

6870

6850
SapientWolf
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(10-22-2010, 02:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Solstice

Pretty impressive. What's the price point on these guys again?

I don't see what's so impressive. The 6870 barely beats out the 5850, which launched at $259 over a year ago. I'm not impressed at all, unless it overclocks like a banshee.
derder
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(10-22-2010, 02:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by SapientWolf

I don't see what's so impressive. The 6870 barely beats out the 5850, which launched at $259 over a year ago. I'm not impressed at all, unless it overclocks like a banshee.

was then sold out for a couple months then rereleased at $289 when nvidia had no response and now sells for $260
edit: plus this just an attack on the gtx460/470, which the 5850 and 5870 were not
brain_stew
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(10-22-2010, 02:37 AM)

Originally Posted by JoeFu

6870

6850

$180 and $240

Nice work AMD, its not as if its a paradigm shift in price:performance but those are both fantastic deals. Makes it impossible to recommend a GTX 460 1GB or GTX 470 now. If the 768MB GTX 460 really does settle into the <$150 category as it seems to be doing, then that will still have a place in the market.
brain_stew
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(10-22-2010, 02:39 AM)

Originally Posted by SapientWolf

I don't see what's so impressive. The 6870 barely beats out the 5850, which launched at $259 over a year ago. I'm not impressed at all, unless it overclocks like a banshee.

The 5850 was never a $260 card in reality. It was a $300 card throughout its life. This is offering a good boost above that for $60 less. Its not earth shattering, but its welcome all the same.
rohlfinator
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(10-22-2010, 02:50 AM)
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Looking pretty good... I probably won't be rushing to get one right away, but I can definitely see myself grabbing a 6850 once it hits a nice sale.

Hopefully we see more of a price war this time around. I'd love to see a return to the 4800-series' frequency in price drops.
SapientWolf
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(10-22-2010, 02:51 AM)
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Originally Posted by derder

was then sold out for a couple months then rereleased at $289 when nvidia had no response and now sells for $260

That, to me, is far more impressive. That's the price I paid for the card at launch, and it's one of the few times I haven't regretted being an early adopter.
DonasaurusRex
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(10-22-2010, 02:52 AM)
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Originally Posted by SapientWolf

I don't see what's so impressive. The 6870 barely beats out the 5850, which launched at $259 over a year ago. I'm not impressed at all, unless it overclocks like a banshee.

the 6870 is going to fill the slot the 5770 and 5830 held, this card seems to be on the 5850 and 5870 level however for less money and this is just a refresh not a new product, actually pretty impressive. With fusion coming soon ...these may be the new bottom for AMD this level of performance may be the new mainstream - budget cards because Llano and bobcat can provide plenty of performance in those segments. Thats great no more crippled cards with flashy boxes that are good for playing solitaire and watching some dvds.


The Cayman cards coming next month and the 580GTX are what you are interested in im guessing. They should have a significant boost as the Cayman adds to the 5000 series and the rumored 580 GTX is supposed to be fermi in its full potential. Heres hoping we get a great leap and near parity between the two, better for us :D :D :D
Dreams-Visions
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(10-22-2010, 02:53 AM)
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what kind of power supply requirements does this have?
DEO3
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(10-22-2010, 02:57 AM)
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Which card in these benchmarks is the best equivalent to a 4870? That's what I'm running now, but since it's not listed it's hard for me to really compare.
darthbob
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(10-22-2010, 02:57 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

what kind of power supply requirements does this have?

400-500W minimum with 1 6-pin PCI-E for 6850, 2 for 6870.
burgerdog
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(10-22-2010, 02:59 AM)
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Originally Posted by JoeFu

6870

6850

6870 ordered, thanks for the link.
Dreams-Visions
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(10-22-2010, 02:59 AM)
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^ which brand did you go with?

Originally Posted by darthbob

400-500W minimum with 1 6-pin PCI-E for 6850, 2 for 6870.

sweet. I might go with the 6850, then. I can avoid upgrading my PSU. I think...
Fredescu
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(10-22-2010, 03:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by DEO3

Which card in these benchmarks is the best equivalent to a 4870? That's what I'm running now, but since it's not listed it's hard for me to really compare.

A little under the 5770, but the 4870 is listed in some of them. It's a bit of a mish mash of cards.
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 03:04 AM)
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Want some crossfire party?




Holy sword of Pownage? :lol


DEO3
HD5770
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burgerdog
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(10-22-2010, 03:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

^ which brand did you go with?


sweet. I might go with the 6850, then. I can avoid upgrading my PSU. I think...

Gigabyte, only because my mobo is the same brand. I honestly have no idea if some are better than others.
DaBuddaDa
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(10-22-2010, 03:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredescu

A little under the 5770, but the 4870 is listed in some of them. It's a bit of a mish mash of cards.

The 4870 is actually a little above the 5770 most of the time. By little I mean a frame or two or three.

I always buy XFX cards, but their 6870 is $40 more expensive for some reason. No clue why!?
godhandiscen
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(10-22-2010, 03:09 AM)
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Originally Posted by DEO3

Which card in these benchmarks is the best equivalent to a 4870? That's what I'm running now, but since it's not listed it's hard for me to really compare.

The HD 5770 is what you should look at to correlate with the 4870. A 4890 is similar to the GTX270.
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 03:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

The 4870 is actually a little above the 5770 most of the time. By little I mean a frame or two or three.

I always buy XFX cards, but their 6870 is $40 more expensive for some reason. No clue why!?

They think people will buy at that price. At least on the HD6850 Gigabyte offers a dual fan model.

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Lasthope106
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(10-22-2010, 03:11 AM)
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Originally Posted by JoeFu

6870

6850

Ohh man, the nvidia fanboy inside of me just died. I want a 6870.

How big are these cards? My case doesn't have space to fit the really long 12 inch cards.
Tiduz
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(10-22-2010, 03:13 AM)
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maybe i should go asus since i have a asus mobo... altho all my 3d cards so far have been MSI... hrm
Fredescu
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(10-22-2010, 03:14 AM)
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Originally Posted by Tiduz

maybe i should go asus since i have a asus mobo...

You don't really need to. Go for whatever has the best warranty and/or free games.
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 03:16 AM)
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Originally Posted by Lasthope106

Ohh man, the nvidia fanboy inside of me just died. I want a 6870.

How big are these cards? My case doesn't have space to fit the really long 12 inch cards.

6870 has the same length of the 5850.
9.5"/24cm
jambo
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(10-22-2010, 03:18 AM)
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Bring on the 6990, my 4870X2 needs replacing!
R2D4
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(10-22-2010, 03:22 AM)
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Think a Q9550 would be enough power for 6850 crossfire at 1080p?
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 03:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by R2D4

Think a Q9550 would be enough power for 6850 crossfire at 1080p?

At higher resolution, the cpu is less important. But for some games 3.2-3.4Ghz on your quad will be more than enough.
Tiduz
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(10-22-2010, 03:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Fredescu

You don't really need to. Go for whatever has the best warranty and/or free games.

yeah true, id like to go with the best noise/cooling ratio, free games wont hurt either :D
Ryoma-Echizen
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(10-22-2010, 03:29 AM)
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http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...0-und-hd-6850/

Computer base review.


HD6870
IDLE = 17W
Average = 108W
Peak = 127W
Max = 163W
BluRay = 47W
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...D_6870/27.html




I'm the HD6800 and I'm awesome!
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scitek
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(10-22-2010, 03:47 AM)
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Damn, I hope my case and motherboard will accommodate a 69xx card. Not sure about all that stuff.
flyinpiranha
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(10-22-2010, 03:54 AM)
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I am so getting a 6870. Seems like a great jump from a 4850. Then when I do my build mid next year or a year later I'll just Xfire 2 of them.
Shambles
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(10-22-2010, 03:55 AM)
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Here's a real review from HardOCP
Fredescu
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(10-22-2010, 04:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by Shambles

Here's a real review from HardOCP

Nice. Looking forward to their 6870 vs GTX470 article.

"We will be performing a 6870 vs. GTX 470 evaluation very soon to find out exactly how this compares. Expect it next week. Quite frankly, NVIDIA caught us off guard with its massive GTX 470 price drops today and we just did not have time to load in the comparison. Actually though, it is probably worth its own article considering how long it has been since we looked at GTX 470 gaming. With this current price drop it has become incredibly attractive. TigerDirect had the Galaxy GTX 470 today for $220, and you guessed it, those sold out quickly. "

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