R_thanatos
Member
Actually , some games are built with 60fps in mind .it's just part of the gameplay.
A port at half the framerate is a pretty big deal
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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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Actually , some games are built with 60fps in mind .it's just part of the gameplay.
A port at half the framerate is a pretty big deal
Rellik
Member
He said the PC comparison build was unplayable on the more demanding levels and choppy on the Switch. From what I remember. I can't go back and confirm that now because it's gone.
This is a performance thread...
Equanimity
Member
Anyone else unable to watch this video in DE ( Germany )?
Strange, I have never had this problem with DF videos before!
The video was removed, not sure why.
Kingpin Rogers
Member
No, he also went to a press event and actually played the game on Switch. I believe he was basing resolution off of the direct footage though.
SinCityAssassin
Member
No, DF literally removed it.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
Whats with all these outlets reporting diffferent frame rates?
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Damn shame but I guess we had to be realistic about it hitting 60fps, still a slight temptation there, will have to give it a play first.
ArtificialIntelligence
Member
Video unavailable ?
Toadthemushroom
Member
I just finished watching it.
Richard said that later levels on PC were basically entering unplayable territory and the Switch version that he played in arcade mode (variety of levels) never reached that level.
Worth noting that he was playing in handheld mode but his Switch-equivalent PC spec was matching the docked GPU clocks.
Rich suspects the game will have a more consistent framerate and higher resolution when docked. Though considering how Rocket League doesnt gain any resolution docked, and has the same developer, I hope Id Tech 6 allows for it.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Relaxed Muscle
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Alexander DeLarge
Member
It is fine but the expectation that other developers should develop with the Switch in mind as a CPU baseline is unreasonable to the other platforms. It's bad enough that multiplatform games on PC have been limited by CPUs that belong in netbooks but now people want to regress back to ARM performance? No thanks. I'm saying this as a Switch owner.
The best Switch owners should expect for titles like DOOM and Wolfenstein 2 is a developer going back a couple months later and trimming things down so it'll run on the hardware.... And that's with a super scalable engine.
Garbage.
It's ok though the Switch will be a Nintendo machine for me and I'm fine with it...
I don't think Doom on Switch is a result of development, more a reality check that Switch hardware is nowhere near current gen consoles.
I think Wolfenstein has a better chance to be a good port since it is developed in parallel.
SatoAilDarko
Member
I would guess 900p docked with dynamic resolution to 720p considering it goes to 540p undocked sometimes.
Rellik
Member
Potentially goes under 540p.
Probably not. Wouldn't be surprised if they jumped the gun by accident
and also to cause some of the mini meltdowns for some here on GAF lmao
Multiplayer is confirmed.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Uhhh have you played DOOM? 30 definitely isn't fine.
I play Gears 4 all the time and jump between vs (60) and horde (30) with no complaints.
DOOM is not a game that plays well less than 60. Its a nessecity imo.
I agree with the usual frame wankery in general though, some games just need it though. Your ninja Gaidens, fighting games, fast paced shooters etc
marcbret87
Member
For a game as fast-paced as Doom 30 fps is not fine. It's playable? Sure, but the experience is extremely hindered at 30 fps.
Under 540p.
So they've played the game at a hands-on event in portable mode, weren't given any specifics, didn't record any footage, "analyzed" the footage from the Direct instead and built a "Switch PC" to test the PC version with it
..while I don't expect DOOM to be the ultimate DOOM experience on Switch, I feel like they jumped the gun here?
Maybe wait for the actual version instead of trying to give us the "feel of DOOM Switch"?
..while I don't expect DOOM to be the ultimate DOOM experience on Switch, I feel like they jumped the gun here?
Well yes this is actually a worse scenario because MK Vita at least ran at 60fps. It looked like absolute garbage though.
Borderlands 2 on the other hand was a terrible port through and through.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
People were expecting 60fps for this?
Really happy with their feedback from playing it. It's going to be awesome to play this game again on a handheld.
Do you have some insight into it all that means you've got more reason to deem it not impressive, relative to the people that deal with specs and comparisons all the time? Last I saw, they'd played it and you hadn't. DF aren't exactly known for fluffing up things for the sake of it.
Really happy with their feedback from playing it. It's going to be awesome to play this game again on a handheld.
Do you have some insight into it all that means you've got more reason to deem it not impressive, relative to the people that deal with specs and comparisons all the time? Last I saw, they'd played it and you hadn't. DF aren't exactly known for fluffing up things for the sake of it.
Jonneh3003
Banned
So they've played the game at a hands-on event in portable mode, weren't given any specifics, didn't record any footage, "analyzed" the footage from the Direct instead and built a "Switch PC" to test the PC version with it
..while I don't expect DOOM to be the ultimate DOOM experience on Switch, I feel like they jumped the gun here?Maybe wait for the actual version instead of trying to give us the "feel of DOOM Switch"?
It was a pretty weird video. He didn't really share his thoughts on the Switch build but rather compared it to assets we already have access to. Outside of the 30fps claim it wasn't a very informative video.
FloweryMarston
Member
can't wait to play it
You should watch the latest DF Retro.
OT: Video seems to be removed but I expected more as the switch does fp16 and this was brought up many times as being a substantial upgrade. Perhaps they didn't adjust the engine for the Switch, though.
I'm sure if the Metroid Prime developers want to hit 60 FPS they'll be able to. when you design a game around the limitations of a system you can much more easily hit a target like that than when you port a game designed for more powerful hardware to weaker hardware.
Got a whole bunch of people in here that expected way to much. And even more that think this is a death knell for third parties. It's not as if the game isn't demanding. DF said as much that they are very impressed to have played it on a handheld in the state it's in now.
Additionally, I love DF, but there's no footage, multiple outlets are reporting different frame rates, and we don't know the situation in docked mode.
Additionally, I love DF, but there's no footage, multiple outlets are reporting different frame rates, and we don't know the situation in docked mode.
They were impressed that DOOM was running at almost 30fps on the lowest of settings on a tablet. Which is the definition of a bad port when you say it out loud.
TheMagician
Member
I'm not what people want or are expecting. Getting a next gen title like Doom on a portable device is absolutely superb, even at the level it's currently, a level DF thought was impressive just to confirm.
Switch isn't powerful enough to run high end PS4 games without compromise. So it's get the ports like this or not at all.
When Switch doesn't get the third party games, people say 'Switch isn't getting supported', 'Nintendo's third party support is poor' etc.
Then when Switch does get the games, people are now upset they don't look or run as well as on the PS4.
It's impossible for Switch to have games which look or run as well as on PS4.
Hopefully this isn't too surprising to read, but if Final Fantasy XV does come to Switch, then that won't look or run as well as on PS4 either. Shocking, I know.
Switch isn't powerful enough to run high end PS4 games without compromise. So it's get the ports like this or not at all.
When Switch doesn't get the third party games, people say 'Switch isn't getting supported', 'Nintendo's third party support is poor' etc.
Then when Switch does get the games, people are now upset they don't look or run as well as on the PS4.
It's impossible for Switch to have games which look or run as well as on PS4.
Hopefully this isn't too surprising to read, but if Final Fantasy XV does come to Switch, then that won't look or run as well as on PS4 either. Shocking, I know.
Vampirolol
Member
Remember when the industry didn't market 60 fps and most people were like "who cares, there's no difference"?
Good times.
Jesus Christ.
TheMoon
Member
....that he played on his custom-PC rig simulating a Switch.
The cutscenes is the footage WE have. HE played it for 40 minutes at the Bethesda event. You didn't really listen.
killatopak
Member
30 fps.
Just like what I said it would. 60fps would make it look like shit to even market.
Just like what I said it would. 60fps would make it look like shit to even market.
ethomaz
Banned
Is that true? Or just guesses?
Primethius
Banned
Disappointing it's 30 FPS but not entirely unsurprising.
I guess this at least shows to some that porting third party games to Switch ain't so easy given the power gap.
I guess this at least shows to some that porting third party games to Switch ain't so easy given the power gap.
Alexander DeLarge
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ArtificialIntelligence
Member
Yep it's true.
If DF are saying it's still a great port then I'm inclined to believe them, rather than you lot who hear "30fps" and instantly turn your nose up.
It's seriously not as big a deal as you think it is, or to put it more gently, I'm glad it doesn't affect me nearly as bad as it does some of you. I'm still really looking forward to it
It's seriously not as big a deal as you think it is, or to put it more gently, I'm glad it doesn't affect me nearly as bad as it does some of you. I'm still really looking forward to it