Good thing this is Duke Amiel du H'ardcore then.
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Real PC RPGs Are For Nerds
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Good thing this is Duke Amiel du H'ardcore then.
Because he didn't like that game you like?
He gave it a 7/10, called it good. I thought it was pretty fair after playing it through myself and thinking "It was alright."
Spacejaws
Member
I cant watch the video but...I share this sentiment? As much as I enjoy Fallout 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition Ive definetly seen the decline of RPG systems over the years, while strangely they have come into fashion? The transition from Mass Effect 1 to 2 is a good example where Mass Effect 1 was to me a good adaption of classic RPG systems into an action game where as Mass Effect 2 went full cover shooter and streamlined the skills, inventory and explorations. Still really enjoyed it but as a shooter with minimal RPG garnish.
Kinda like how point and click went out of vogue but still exist in the form of close relatives like Telltale games. Still doesnt scratch that itch though.
I mist say though that the last few years have been good to the CRPG and some quality stuff has came out and worked on consoles too, its definetly less of a system situation and more a marketing and what companies think the market want.
Jawbreaker
Member
fair enough.
I actually agree with you and don't watch him much anymore either, I just found your post funny.
No because I think his opinion is influenced by what will give him the most plays/clicks. Zelda's review was just the confirmation, as I said I followed that guy for a few years prior. People are entitled to change his mind and to doubt about the motivations of reviewers to say things, it's called critical thinking, I'm not a Zelda fanboy nor I'm throwing a tantrum about a review I dont like, but you can think whatever you want.
No fault. Seems a lot of people does find my post funny :S
BlazingDarkness
Member
Jim for your next video you should swap the tie out for a cravat and maybe get some costume jewellery too.
ScaryShark
Banned
You're not the one this video is lampooning. This is a reasonable, measured and perfectly sane opinion to have. Unfortunately, a post like this is not the norm when discussing the issue on the rest of the Internet.
Dude, a lot of us do share the sentiment, I'm sure. I didn't grow up with the old-school RPGs and I share it.
But this video is not about the sentiment, it's about the embarrassing and ironically immature way some people present it.
But as others have pointed out, he doesn't need clicks as he is funded through monthly payments by donations, he doesn't have ads or anything that requires clicks or plays.
What confirmed in the Zelda review that this was the case? I'm just genuinely curios because I hear this often when a reviewer post a review and say their opinion which can be that they wasn't as enamoured by a game as others and gave it a lower score, based said opinion, in which people immediately jump to "Oh they're just fishing for clicks."
That is a fair and level-headed opinion without going to name-calling of "RPG MASTERS~" and "casual noobs!"
He doesn't even make money of clicks though, so your line of logic is utterly ridiculous.
He actually went into a lot of detail in why he doesn't like it as much as other people in both his review, and on his podcast. On his podcast especially where he discussed the game with Laura Kate (who absolutely loved the game). If you want to ignore that and go straight to questioning credibility, whatever I guess.
Handy Fake
Member
He gave it a 7/10, said it was a good game that he had some issues with, but otherwise enjoyed it a lot.
Then they DDOSed his site.
Deathknell
Member
Lmao, totally agree with those comments though 
Iriscomeback
Member
imo, any game that has you taking the role of a custom or pre-made character that you can customize/level-up and is part of a big story that impacts/revolves around said character could be classified as an RPG.
You could argue that the more intricate these mechanics become and the more impact the choices you make have on gameplay and story the 'realer' RPG's become.
Water down these mechanics and you slide into Adventure territory.
You could argue that the more intricate these mechanics become and the more impact the choices you make have on gameplay and story the 'realer' RPG's become.
Water down these mechanics and you slide into Adventure territory.
Spacejaws
Member
Well that I can agree on. It is the internet I suppose. An example was posting in the Warhammer Vermintide steam forums letting them know they had broken controller sensitivity making Steam Controllers pretty horrible to use (they must have updated the controller stick sensitivity to just Horizontal sensitivity but didnt add an additional slider for vertical sensitivity, so left and right can be adjusted smooth but up and down are sluggish as fuck) and the first reply was someone posting some meme video ask why tho or something.
Vocal gamers are immature in general I guess...its the main reason I avoid voice communication at all times.
Never understood the love of the RPG mechanics in Mass Effect 1. It was completely at odds with the narative. You were humanities best soldier, who had to learn to shoot straight during the game.
Nikodemos
Member
The dumbing down of game systems is not due to 'accesibility'. Larian, inXile, Obsidian and Firaxis have shown that you can get 'hardcore' games on the console without dumbing them down.
The real problem is shit management in many large companies, which feel the need to cast an unrealistically large net, public-wise, and end up turning their games into an undifferentiated mechanically-hybrid mush.
The real problem is shit management in many large companies, which feel the need to cast an unrealistically large net, public-wise, and end up turning their games into an undifferentiated mechanically-hybrid mush.
JimboJones
Member
His opinions are a little bit and miss with me, I do think he to tries to go against the grain sometimes to try and stick out when it suits, him trying to convince people Sonic 4 was a great game was hard to read but eh could just simply be opinions and all that.
I did enjoy the video though 😂
Low-er, forgot an 'er' in there. 7 was still good, just not maybe the 8s, 9s or 10s people were giving. I personally thought 7 was the fairest number myself as the game was fun but not as fantastic or "the best ever" as others were saying (short, boring and samey dungeons, characters were shallow and not interesting, story was presented in a jumbled mess, didn't like the weapon breakage etc.).
And yeah, I remember that time, it's honestly quite frustrating how people react to this stuff.
Hi, irony. I'm hungry.
johancruijff
Banned
i laughed
still an "elitist"
still an "elitist"
Attention = Revenue. Giving plays means visibility which leads to more Patreon subscribers. I dont think he actively fishes I think his channel thrives on whatever drama is popular atm. On the Zelda subject, having read and had his reviews as an important part of my decision making as with, for example, ACG I think he played down the strength and focused on the quirks deliberately to stir the pot. Not a couple of months before I played and loved yakuza 0 thanks partially to his favorable review which, also in my opinion, did the opposite and praised too much stuff and hid some problems of the game.
I dont have anything against him, I just dont agree with him as I used to and I'm not totally sure he's unbiased by his popularity. Not trying to convince anybody I'm right tho.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Yep, those are some of the most complex games on the mainstream market today. Consoles and their users are not the enemy here. It's the companies that think people can't handle not having their hands being held.
Handy Fake
Member
Oh sorry mate, I wasn't picking at your post. I just used it to illustrate the madness that ensued.
Im genuinely surprised he hasn't made a video about it. Maybe once the dust had settled he lost more than he won with that and doesn't want to raise that subject anymore :/
This is still unfair to the companies that make them and the millions who play those games. Sometimes they just design a game that people enjoy. For example, FO4 get lots of flak from RPGers but my friend who seldom games still get happy talking about his painstakingly made power armor museum.
TLDR: don't be angry at devs for making "dumbed down" games, just be happy you have your Larian's and Obsidian's.
Y'all are the ones who keep bringing it up, not him. I think he even did a follow up video about it shortly after and hasn't really mentioned it since.
I swear it's like Jim kicked y'all's dogs or something.
Of course he "lost more than he won", at least in terms of pure popularity/viewership. The idea that a shitty Zelda review would somehow grow his fanbase is completely insane. How many "critical thinkers" like yourself have stopped following him since his Zelda review? Now how many times have you seen "I was never really into Sterling but he said Zelda is only quite good so I subscribed to his patreon."?
He published that review knowing it would have backlash but it wasn't for the clicks. It was because that's his opinion of the game and he's not willing to embellish the truth just to protect the fragile egos of any Zelda fanboys who happen to follow him.
"I used to find him funny but then he gave a game I like 7/10 and now I don't find him funny. This is because I am a critical thinker."
Yeah ok
I agree, those "dumped down" games are not inferior. I count many of those as my all time favorites even.
My only point was that being on a console doesn't automaticly mean, they would have to be mechanicly simplefied.
Nikodemos
Member
In cases like ZeniMax or EA where the dev is a subsidiary of the publisher, the people making the game are not the ones making the call as to what mechanics should be added or removed. The shots are called at publisher level.
Some of the quotes in the video are fine. They are only bad because of the mocking tone and lack of context.
It's easy to belittle legitimate points by mocking them in a comedic way.
Soulblighter31
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdvqAG5goA&feature=youtu.be&t=6m27s
http://wccftech.com/ps4-neo-xbox-scorpio-hardware-quake-champions/
No, they arent morons. A controller with two sticks and very few number of buttons requires that games use lots of tricks and tweaks in order to be playable. Although made for gaming, they're honestly very inept tools. EVERY game thats on consoles is specifically designed and adapted and tweaked so a controller is doable. Its just that most people dont know what those tricks are or the designers were smart and they arent visible to the normal eye.
We really don't know that, unless there is a press sneak fk I missed.
That sounds fair enough at a glance.
But some of the comments used in this video seem to be (clumsily) replying to calls for "our" Larians and Obsidians to dumb down their games (or "just make them for the millions who play those games", if you find "dumb down" to be too judgemental), which would turn them from "our" Larians and Obsidians into "their" Bethesdas and Biowares.
Given that those two were, at some point, "our" Bethesada and Bioware, that concern does not seem entirely unfounded.
GoldenCrow
Member
Did Jim Sterling move to Royston Vasey?