I knew something was going to happen when they had a shot of Jimmy putting his phones and watch in the mailbox, and kept it on the mailbox for 10+ seconds as Jimmy walked towards the house. We had seen it dozens of times already before, but they made it clear it was going to be the last time we ever see it.
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Better Call Saul S3 |OT| Gus Who's Back - Mondays 10/9c on AMC
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I knew something was going to happen when they had a shot of Jimmy putting his phones and watch in the mailbox, and kept it on the mailbox for 10+ seconds as Jimmy walked towards the house. We had seen it dozens of times already before, but they made it clear it was going to be the last time we ever see it.
Unless Wikipedia saying that she graduated from University in 1994 is just a lie, then 45 couldn't be too far from the truth.
I care about it because I think it's awesome that they hired a woman in her 40s for the role when they could have hired someone in their late 20s/early 30s. I hope the character is 45 too. I'd like to think that she and Jimmy are about the same age. I think it makes for a better story as well. Someone struggling in their 40s is different than struggling in their 30s and 20s. There would be more on the line in Season 2 when Jimmy is putting her career in jeopardy as it took longer for her to climb the ladder to reach that point. Their relationship would be even more unique on TV being two 40 year olds with no kids involved.
funkystudent
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Damn it if they didn't really make me feel real sympathetic for Chuck by the end.
Watching him break was kind of hard to watch.
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Also just realized Kin and Jimmys secretary was Sauls secretary in BB. Thats cool. I should have noticed that before reading a wiki
Watching him break was kind of hard to watch.
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Also just realized Kin and Jimmys secretary was Sauls secretary in BB. Thats cool. I should have noticed that before reading a wiki
Kadayi
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I doubt Chuck set anything aside for Jimmy in his will given his animosity to him. I suspect whatever is left of Chuck's estate will go to his ex-wife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6LzaoGBeqE
The most fascinating transformation. And a sign of just how far the show has to go. Saul must have put her through some shit.
I've always wondered who was in charge of the whole "Ice Station Zebra Associates" since the BrBa days..... I wonder..........
It has to be someone that knows about finances, banks and regulations afterall.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
She won't die, but she very clearly will become estranged. It will probably be one of the climaxes in the final season. What other reason would saul choose to move to Kentucky? (if I remember correctly); it's because that's where Kim grew up. I think the show will end on a happy note with them re-uniting
Wow, holy shit I had no idea. Damn, that's really cool. Guess we haven't seen the last of her.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
wow I just caught up with the finale. I had a super busy week, and glad I stayed the fuck away from this thread. and any article related to it.
What the fuckkkk, I am shook. Brilliant ending. The way they presented was just so powerful, I felt really bad for chuck
and just 2 episode ago, I absolutely hated him.
That's starting scene in the tent and the ending. Too good.
What the fuckkkk, I am shook. Brilliant ending. The way they presented was just so powerful, I felt really bad for chuck
and just 2 episode ago, I absolutely hated him.That's starting scene in the tent and the ending. Too good.
minor effort
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Nebraska, and was it actually Saul's choice? I remember in the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad when they're in the vacuum shop with Robert Forster, Saul notices he's having a Nebraska ID being made for him and he asks "Nebraska? What's in Nebraska?" and gets a response of "You."
At least in that episode it sounds like Nebraska was a state randomly chosen for him.
RecRoulette
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That's a hell of a sendoff.
the_firewithin
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Never thought it would happen but Howard was likable. He didn't take chucks shit and told him to kick rocks
There's basically no other way it could end. Telegraphed since Season 1 and with what we know about BB, the only big question left BCS has to answer is how and why the split happens.
Jimmy didn't just randomly pick Nebraska. He wants to find her again.
Seen a few comments like this the last few weeks; not really feeling the same way. They've barely shown her personality; she's a new employee acting a bit meek at this point. If she has a darker side she wouldn't have shown it in BCS at this point.
Chuck really is the most tragic character in the BrBa universe. Like Walt, he's driven entirely by pride. Howard shutting him down by suggesting retirement last week mirrored Saul shutting Walt down when he started demanding names of hitmen to take Jack out. But unlike Walt, having his pride broken didn't turn Chuck into a monster, it just left him with nothing to live for.
side note - looking at the way he went out, I suppose my Frank Grimes comparison from a few weeks back was pretty apt
side note - looking at the way he went out, I suppose my Frank Grimes comparison from a few weeks back was pretty apt
Oh man, when he was destroying the walls I kept seeing Grimes' final moments and thought that was the way he was going out. The comparison even makes sense in terms of character and his relation with Homer.
Monocle
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Yep, strip away BCS's exceptional style and you have a show that excels in the fundamentals of storytelling and takes full advantage of its format. It's a damn good show, the kind that makes me hope other series will follow suit and use their time to build complex characters and layered stories. The medium has so much potential.
crisdecuba
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Do most dramatic TV shows have a writer's room that gets time to hash things through the way this show seems to? Part of the success of the show feels like it stems from giving a team of creative people space and time to just figure out their way through it...
Human Trashcan
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That's how most, if not all, shows operate, yeah.
They both had a harder time making it due to not being as likeable as the other guy, they were both driven mad by their resentment and envy, and they should both be kept away from electricity
Kadayi
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What the flick did their end of season review (Ben and Alonso), but Rhea Seehorn (Kim) was also there as a guest and had a lot to say about the process of production etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgbbiy94ZQ
Sure he's a criminal, but principally he's interested in making money more than anything else. I quite liked the pretty human reaction he had to having a gun pointed at his head earlier in the season, simply because his asshole boss wanted to push Gus's buttons. It might be a power play to Hector, but it's Nacho's life on the line over a bag of coke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgbbiy94ZQ
Sure he's a criminal, but principally he's interested in making money more than anything else. I quite liked the pretty human reaction he had to having a gun pointed at his head earlier in the season, simply because his asshole boss wanted to push Gus's buttons. It might be a power play to Hector, but it's Nacho's life on the line over a bag of coke.
Jimmy didn't pick Nebraska, the cleaner they hired to give them new lives did. As far as we know it's the only option he had. When he realises he is being sent there, he asks 'What's in Nebraska?' and the cleaner says 'You.'. No indication he was happy about that, mostly just confused/curious.
crisdecuba
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So there's just some really good talent work here hehe
Walt was never not a monster; first episode became a drug dealer, killed two people. Oh he had his "reasons" and he was a likeable/watchable monster, but he became the person he always wanted to be but was too cowed to realise. It took a life crisis to bring it to the fore.
Saul struggles more with himself. There are parallels, but I don't think its the same.
Human Trashcan
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I agree with that read. Walt is an awful person who was just too scared to do anything until the cancer "freed" him, because he knew he was a dead man walking anyway. Sure he displays some remorse now and then, but always after the fact. And it's like Chuck said: what good is a conscience if it doesn't prevent you from doing bad things? But in Walt's case it's a million times worse than anything Jimmy has done up to this point in BCS.
Everything Walt did, he did for himself, because he liked it. He even admitted it in the end.
That was self defense in the first episode. The point of the show is that he turns from good to bad. So I disagree.
I doubt that she's pretending to be meek and hiding her darker side, mostly because that would be the least interesting they could do with her character.
Like self-defense?
Walt had a conscience at the start. He acted irrationally with a gun to his head in the first episode, and he really wanted to let Krazy 8 go and only killed him in a heated moment after spending days trying to empathise with him.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Walt killed those guys in self defense sure but he starts cooking meth for real because he wants to, after the first time he has the offer from Gretchen and Elliott but doesn't take it because of his pride. At that point he's made his bed and you can't really defend anything afterwards.
But you're not a monster just because you deal drugs, are you? Gus and Gail aren't monsters. Jesse is not a monster.
Ignatz Mouse
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Gus is absolutely a monster.
minor effort
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Eh, to be fair Gus did threaten to kill Walt's entire family.
Tell me you're not serious.
Dubbedinenglish
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Uhh implication in BB was that Gus was a general under Pinochet. He absolutely is a monster.
Human Trashcan
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No you see guys, as long as you're civil and polite about it, you can do whatever you want, that's how morality works
ScottSullivan
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The shot for the car crash was so well done, it really caught me off guard how sudden it was, I hadn't ever seen a shot like that in a TV show or movie
crisdecuba
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Especially with the trend these days for us to see the vehicle that strikes the car the split second before it happens. I was waiting for that moment.
I remember when BrBa was still going, people were posting crazy theories about Gus being the literal devil.
Apparently he spied on Walt with birds or some shit
Yes, a few posters beat you to it. I guess you didn't see them. Ignore Gus. That was not the point of the post.
Let's stick to Gail was not a monster.
Didn't see anyone else bringing up silly Breaking Bad fan theories about Gus being the devil /shrug
If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that I agree with you that Walt wasn't a monster at the beginning
Also another good point. I didn't consider she could be putting up some type of front and that would certainly make the transition easier. It wouldn't be very interesting when compared to a slow descent, but I trust these writers to make anything work.
Let me tell you about Skylar White.