Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Lies extra spikes and a Bang makes the ss2 look
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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
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Fulminator
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Cabbage will survive
Solid Sora
Member
A bit out of topi for but I hate when someone suddenly notice that power levels are bullshit and read a little about the "Toriyama forgot" plot holes then comes out with the smart hot take that "Toriyama has always been a bad writer".
I don't get how can anybody says the Toriyama is a bad writer with a straight face. I mean, lazy writer? Sure, but he's also insanely talented.
His characters are insanely likeable with nearly each one of them with his own fanbase. His dialogue is sharp, funny, and mindblowingly badass when it needs to be. He knows how to make each arc interesting with its twists and turns. He knows when to retire certain characters and how to introduce new ones. And on the top of all of that, his character dynamics are some of the best.
That's on the top of him being a terrific comic artist with page composition that I still believe is the best in the industry all these years later.
The original Dragon Ball manga was and still is a terrific comic book and one of the best in the whole genre. It's certainly not a nostalgia thing like it's popular to say nowadays. I feel like it's a FFVII situation where the product went full cycle from overrated to underrated and doubted.
I don't get how can anybody says the Toriyama is a bad writer with a straight face. I mean, lazy writer? Sure, but he's also insanely talented.
His characters are insanely likeable with nearly each one of them with his own fanbase. His dialogue is sharp, funny, and mindblowingly badass when it needs to be. He knows how to make each arc interesting with its twists and turns. He knows when to retire certain characters and how to introduce new ones. And on the top of all of that, his character dynamics are some of the best.
That's on the top of him being a terrific comic artist with page composition that I still believe is the best in the industry all these years later.
The original Dragon Ball manga was and still is a terrific comic book and one of the best in the whole genre. It's certainly not a nostalgia thing like it's popular to say nowadays. I feel like it's a FFVII situation where the product went full cycle from overrated to underrated and doubted.
Vegeta and Trunks say hi.
I'm going to have a hearty chuckle when he surprises Freeza with his power.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Its a draw than because goku and gohan wave hello right back
Fulminator
Member
Current Gohan don't got that bang anymore tho
Well Vegeta never has any bang and Trunks' SSJ2 was drawn so poorly that we cant really take anything away from it. Look at Goku's SSJ2 during their first fight, it's literally SSJ1 lol.
That's because Toei are incompetent.
NeonZ
Member
I really doubt they're going to get an uninterrupted 3 episode battle, which is the implication if the "new warrior" just references one of the Saiyans. They'll start fighting next week, then the other one is the new warrior and the episode afterwards is the one with the "ultimate Saiyan Showdown" highlight.
About 2 weeks ago
They've done a decent job at wringing in the YouTube videos too
Undead Fantasy
Member
Indeed.
Put Toppo on the "Toyotaro sucked my personality" list too
-Hit
-Zamasu
-Black
-Toppo
Now they're all smoldering with generic rage like XICOR!!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Cant do it with jiren at least
Now Jiren won't be a dick anymore
Bobo Dakes
Member
I hope it's Vegeta.
Jiren will be a goofy Hunk like Disney Hercules
Bobo Dakes
Member
Compared to everyone else in that tournament, how is Jiren a dick?
I think I'm fine with this
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Idk you want this to be bad but Ill take it lol
Brock Reiher
Banned
He's a shit talker, especially compared to everyone else.
"Sorry, but I have to do this. For Justice!"
Never said it'd be a bad thing
Are you telling me the manga messed up again
What if Jiren was replaced by Gaston?
Brock Reiher
Banned
Now he's Generic Angry Goblin, no poses, no Justice
Well, at least he made Toppo more impressive strength-wise than the anime.
While true while there is criticism with the fights in super
The fight in the anime was better
Just like their take on the Black arc, I find it hard to care about characters being stronger, or the power levels being more consistent, if their characterization ain't on point, if I'm not being entertained at a level equivalent to the anime's take on things. Meh.
Undead Fantasy
Member
We didn't get more preview pics for today's episode right?
I like both for different reasons, although Goku going through all his forms seem kind-of-force. I prefer the anime's Super Saiyan and then Blue.
Jiren threw his team to the wolves by not doing anything when Super Saiyan God Goku jumped in to help Hit, especially since he identified them as fighters who would caused the most trouble.
He then sits on his butt and goes, 'no one left to fight', while Vegeta, Frieza, and Kale are still in the ring. While they're nothing to him, these three could give trouble to his remaining teammates and U11 is already hurting in numbers. So at least he could have taken out anyone within range of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, but nope, I'm done.
Toppo did almost the same, except I don't think he's a dick. I just think he's a terrible leader.
People keep saying that, but it really isn't. Like how did Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta match Super Saiyan 1/2 Black when Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is equal to Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Black beat the shit out of Super Saiyan 2 Trunks in base. Better, how the hell did Vegeta's Gamma attack completely wasted two Merged Zamasus when it took Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku just to match one? And why is sucking in the aura of any form makes your strength jumped so much?
The anime has some weirdness too like Super Saiyan 2 Trunks blocking and knocking Rose Black into a building, but the events I listed in the manga stands out since it seems Toyo forgot his own writing, while with the anime we can pretend Trunks rage boosted or something.
But more than that, I am still mad about that giant ass plot hole Toyo created for himself.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Okay, that manga chapter was pretty awesome.
Get the
Toppo is way cooler in the manga imo. I also like how the story is playing out in the manga quite a bit.
Get the
feeling someone was holding back big time, you guys know who.
Toppo is way cooler in the manga imo. I also like how the story is playing out in the manga quite a bit.
Belmont
You saw the ones from earlier? There should be more around 7:45 ET or so.
I suppose, I just generally hear less complaints in that aspect where the manga is concerned, but I don't really care either way.
I noticed in general that people tend to complained less about the manga in general since it seems to be a sacred cow for many. I mean, some fans get salty if you criticized the manga at all, like pointing out that giant plot hole Toyo made with Merged Zamasu, which is honestly the worse thing he has written.
So GoDs are banned from the tournament because they are too good but it is okay for Jiren,
who is stronger than a GoD is okay? Maybe that's how they will deal with him in the manga lol. Zeno will ban him.
who is stronger than a GoD is okay? Maybe that's how they will deal with him in the manga lol. Zeno will ban him.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Just to be clear were talking about fans in general right not here? Cuz a lot of ppl in here been tearing that manga apart since day one like the anime was a sacred cow
There's no way Zeno isn't a meta joke about the fanbase. I laughed at how Beerus immediately told him to skip 2 and go to 3 and Zeno got all excited for scary looking Goku
I think it was moreso their fights were messy and unwatchable for Zeno. Not like it breaks any rules but having Jiren be allowed to enter even if he is overpowered, he's still a mortal and Toppo and Goku were having a battles on the level of Gods anyway.