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Football Thread 2011/2012 | OT12 | All the clowns were offside...
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Positive thinking, yo.
José Mourinho
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As much as I dislike Barcelona he is a class act. And one of the players who gets overlooked to a degree because the world is to busy boring us to death by spaffing their load over Messi every time he so much as looks at a ball.
Phantast2k
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Of course not, neither did I mention Badstuber or Khedira who didn't do enough for defense and just sort of automatically assumed his position as an attacking DM like vs. Greece, but who the fuck knows what Löw whispered in his ear?
I just mentioned the broken Bayern bunch & the players who were wrongly placed/fielded by Löw.
No, Hummels made a bunch of mistakes including the 1-0 together with Badstuber, but he had 2 huge scoring opportunities in front of the Italian goal so yes, of course I'm less critical of him.
Bayern fan since 94, when all of my friends became Dortmund fans because of the 2 titles in 95 /96 (shudder). I despise the Heat (honestly worst team ever!).
You did congratulate them, but what about the sudden bashing of our team / the Bayern players? We win together, we lose together. Didnt really expect you to call off the truce within minutes of our defeat (i even defended Hummels hours after the game). Even Milchmann was pretty reasonable (by his standards).
I can live with this analysis. You were drunk last night and everything is forgotten
Let's be honest the Euro 2012 Thread is just a trainwreck of a thread and most people in there have no clue about football.http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7851120/Magpies-in-Twente-talks
Oh I do hope for good news to come from this. If we bag both, that would be sublime. Then we'd need Debuchy and Anita, and I'd be content.
Oh I do hope for good news to come from this. If we bag both, that would be sublime. Then we'd need Debuchy and Anita, and I'd be content.
Its Stuart Pearce; any midfielder is gonna spend the game constantly running back and forth as the ball flies over their heads and then gets sent straight back. Could take a lot out of a player.
You German fans need to take a page out of us United/Liverpool fans' books. We treat each other with humility and never call each other names. It is out of sheer respect for them that I use only the freshest and longest-lasting dog shit to burn in a brown paper sack at Salazar's doorstep. Anything less would be an insult.
Phantast2k
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^ heh
Well good for you, not everyone is like you though (especially in case of Bayern & the national team), obviously.
What do you mean by sudden bashing? It was like 2h later after all the interviews and watching them act like it's all fine & dandy. I could barely hold it during the other games with Schweinsteiger who is absolutely not fit to play and should never find himself on the pitch.
But then his presence is supposedly like a moral bonus in strategy games, lol
Yes yes, those passes vs. NL, but he was absolutely left to himself & unguarded.
What else is there? They have the loser gene (Kroos inherited it too, Müller didn't) and they're unlikely to win anything, I just hope other player will replace them till 2014.
Well good for you, not everyone is like you though (especially in case of Bayern & the national team), obviously.
What do you mean by sudden bashing? It was like 2h later after all the interviews and watching them act like it's all fine & dandy. I could barely hold it during the other games with Schweinsteiger who is absolutely not fit to play and should never find himself on the pitch.
But then his presence is supposedly like a moral bonus in strategy games, lol
Yes yes, those passes vs. NL, but he was absolutely left to himself & unguarded.
What else is there? They have the loser gene (Kroos inherited it too, Müller didn't) and they're unlikely to win anything, I just hope other player will replace them till 2014.
saying they don't give their all for the team is just plain wrong
yeah he looks like he didn't care
Müller is class.
Shame he had his off-season this year (not in 2011 like Badstuber), but he still shows determination and the will to win.
I fully expect him to become Bayern captain in the future.
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You know, sometimes I am annoyed at how much the German players "stick together" and like each other. A bit of friction would not hurt the team at all.
Kahn and Effenberg weren't great friends with all the other players. Neither were Sammer or Matthäus.
With Kahn especially I think his own defence was afraid of him.
Germany should be thankful. They have an exceptionally talented team who just need to learn to handle the big occasions but they stick together. There were no reports of infighting, egos etc... while our Netherlands NT is in tatters and divided as fuck with everyones ego getting in the way.
Germany are a joy to watch and their success will come. It's only a matter of time. I must say though, I prefer Reus to Podolski and Klose to Gomez in the national team. just my opinion.
Germany are a joy to watch and their success will come. It's only a matter of time. I must say though, I prefer Reus to Podolski and Klose to Gomez in the national team. just my opinion.
Sviatoslav
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Despite being linked to Liverpool, Lacina Traore is officially going to Anzhi.
A Traore-Eto'o partnership could be scary for opposing teams. Thankfully, Anzhi's lineup will still be half-filled with scrubs, because of the foreigner limit. In a lesser league a team like that could have just bought their way to a title.
A Traore-Eto'o partnership could be scary for opposing teams. Thankfully, Anzhi's lineup will still be half-filled with scrubs, because of the foreigner limit. In a lesser league a team like that could have just bought their way to a title.
That's a shame, I liked the look of him. An absolute mountain of a man.
The Liverpool link was because our manager was interested in him at his previous club, but didn't have the funds to buy him. Statistics wise, Traore and Andy Carroll are so similar that there is literally no reason to consider hiring him for Liverpool — he would have been a good option at a vastly lower fee, had we been looking to bring him in before big Andy's transfer. Now, though, it makes no sense.
Just paper talk. Though I do think he's a decent player.
Haha brilliant! And it's the only name you should get anyway !!
So glad I never bought his shirt. Never really liked him.
Welcome! You'll get along well with WoodenLung
I would hate to jeopardise you as a source of clutch fashion advice.
Phantast2k
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Absolutely, him & Hummels (who's set to become the Dortmund captain) will probably duke it out for the Nati captain.
Yeah, but look at this way: with this player material how can you fail so miserably every fucking time? It's mostly Löw's fault. We're tired of seeing them lose and shit their pants at every big occasion. Players like Schweinsteiger don't seem to have the backbone to win anything. How is that we didn't even get one yellow card and Italians got like 4? They fucking gave a damn, we didn't. This is a pretty soulless team atm. because the wrong ppl. are in command.
I dont rate Lahm, him being skipper is definitely part of the problem and i hate his interviews. Gomez said it best: „Wir haben viermal auf die Fresse gekriegt.“ (We got punche/kicked in the face four times). That sums it up perfectly.
Regarding Schweinsteiger: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39341114&postcount=4830 . I agree with you though he wasnt fit and i would've preferred playing Kroos for him and not with him.
Currentlly only Neuer und Müller possess the Bayern gene. Dont get me wrong, you are certainly allowed to criticise the Bayern players but you over did it a little last night and just bashed them.
Let's call of the truce and be done with it. I dont wanna talk about this awful season anymore.
Maybe it was overconfidence. Look at the difference in attitude between Spain and Germany. The Spanish players and coach were humble to a fault.
The only thing i remember coming from the German camp was:
Also didn´t Reus say something to the effect of "our bench could have reach the semi´s"?
If that comes to pass Hummel's position will make him more likely to become captain. I'd actually be fine with that. We need a new Beckenbauer.
But I disagree about Schweinsteiger. When he's in form he elevates the team to a whole new level where he does make decisive plays. Sadly his injuries and the mental fatigue have taken their toll on him.
Lahm is one of the best wingbacks in the world, but I still don't like him as captain. When he shook hands with Buffon at the beginning I thought of the old "men vs. boys" saying.
Still I agree 100% with you that it's mostly Löw's fault. He likes his players like his beauty products: soft and unassuming.
Yes.
And yes!
LOL You make the semi finals in the Euro and Bayern despite not winnig anything performed well and that is an awful season?
We didn't even get a freakin point in the Euros and played horribly. That's AWFUL buddy. Fuck i am so pissed off with the Dutch players at the moment.
I'd have preferred us losing like Holland. We'd at least start anew, not lie to ourselves again. For me, I'd either go out immediately or win the damn thing. Everything in between is tortue. It's the hope that kills you. Makes the eventual defeat so much more crushing.
Nah mate. Words cannot describe how shit I felt after that Portugal game... It's always disappointing not to win but German fans can be proud imo as they have a young squad and a very bright future. You don't want to go out in shame like we did, that was embarrasing.
Only disappointing thing here as that Dortmund fans and Bayern fans should unite to support the team win or lose. Leave the club BS for the league season and not the international fixtures.
Vivalaraza
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Germany fans in meltdown lol.
You guys have a great team with very very talented young players. It didn't work out for whatever reason, mainly because of Löw IMO but anyhow, it can happen.
You guys have a great team with very very talented young players. It didn't work out for whatever reason, mainly because of Löw IMO but anyhow, it can happen.
Phantast2k
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Yeah, Kroos would probably be a better replacement for Schweinsteiger (although I consider Kroos to be phlegmatic to the core even when he's fit. He slows down attacks and is not aggressive on the defense), but he'd still be better than Schweinsteiger & then some proper right winger.I dont rate Lahm, him being skipper is definitely part of the problem and i hate his interviews. Gomez said it best: Wir haben viermal auf die Fresse gekriegt. (We got punche/kicked in the face four times). That sums it up perfectly.
Regarding Schweinsteiger: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39341114&postcount=4830 . I agree with you though he wasnt fit and i would've preferred playing Kroos for him and not with him.
Currentlly only Neuer und Müller possess the Bayern gene. Dont get me wrong, you are certainly allowed to criticise the Bayern players but you over did it a little last night and just bashed them.
Let's call of the truce and be done with it. I dont wanna talk about this awful season anymore.
Well yeah, I thought I already terminated it unilaterally yesterday, but fine:
I hereby curse the Bayern to all the plagues known to mankind for eternity! *evil laughter*, lol
I don't know, you seem to be grasping at straws here. He is a bench player for Löw so that's just his way of saying: "see, it's better when you let me play."
Oh you meant Reus saying that, dunno - would be news for me. Although yeah, they just try to get into the first team so they try to call attention to themselves as they should because they're clearly better than the alternatives that were fielded.
Spain's not humble at all, neither was Italy ("Germany's scared of us"). But it's all moot, we're all biased in some ways. I hate the whole circus surrounding games.
You guys talk of awful seasons, where getting to the Euro semi-finals and the CL final, and coming in 2nd in the league. I wish the USMNT and Liverpool could fail so horribly.
Welp, it's just a dry spell. Could still be worse (see Newscastle) or Dortmund (near bankruptcy).
Yeah, there's no lack in determination in him, but he tends to make huge mistakes/lose focus - still, he's young so I'm sure he'll fix that at one point.
Even though he was a Schalke ultra, I'd still be fine with him as a captain.
Yeah, being close to the goal to lose it all (every time) is pretty fucked up.
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Fuck Löw.
I thought you'd be pleased to get him as a manager?
Nah, I thought he was a dickhead at Chelsea. Hopefully it was just Terry and co rubbing off on him, because if that's how he tries to handle a normal dressing room the man is a moron.
The Beckham outrage is curious. If you really care about the Olympics, then you should want them to bring the strongest team possible. If you don't care, then it's best to leave your opinions at home.
Personally just think its another case of English people looking for more reasons to hate football authorities.
Personally just think its another case of English people looking for more reasons to hate football authorities.
thanks for easing the pain and preventing us from finishing 2nd again.
Finishing second is just hard to swallow. After the first time you can still say "well that was a good season, we'll win it next time" but coming up short again and again makes it really painful. Moreover you can talk about coaches / tactics or players but they arent that bad to begin with (otherwise you wouldnt have come so close to the title). It's hard to get excited for next season and new players because any improvement will be marginal at best and you just have to hope that things will somehow work out.
The loss against Italy doesnt actually hurt as much as the Chelsea one. Italy was a good team and as i said during the quarter finals: I'd rather go out against Italy than England. I think every team in the semis could make a legitimate case for the final and in the end the top fleet of football is simply really close together. The difference between Montolivio, Pirlo, De Rossi, Marchiso and Schweini, Kroos, Khedira, Özil is marginal at best. Italy actually reminded me of Germany 2010.
Phantast2k
Alles ist vorbei
(Today, 12:17 PM)
LOL, your rant paid off.
Oh come on. Take a look at that Chelsea dressing room. With all the big heads in there it's amazing people are able to breathe. AVB is a very good manager and deserves a shot at a normal club rather than freakin player run Chelsea. Watch Di Matteo get shafted if Chelsea don't win the trophies this season.
I absolutely adore things like this. If there are any more, keep 'em coming.
Couldn't give a fuck about Beckham or the Olympics, don't think I'll even watch it; would rather concern myself with pre-season.
The only thing about AVB is that do you really see him doing better with the Spurs squad than Harry did? I understand they want him to ideally build a legacy there, but I just don't see him as a good fit for a club like Tottenham. I think Louis Van Gaal would be a keener pick as he's got a great reputation with spotting and utilizing young talent. Personality wise I think both of them are fully capable of disastrous dressing room fall-outs. Must be something to do with the tri-letter abbreviated names
At the moment, the world's best managers are tied down, though, and many arent interested in moving. Pep is set for a sabbatical in the US, Mourinho seems more intent than ever to make his mark on Real's history, Klopp is still honeymooning with Dortmund, Deschamps isn't looking as good as originally thought, Emery and Bielsa are keen to stay in Spain, Blanc has shown real weakness in handling the French NT, etc. Not too many to pick from right at this point in time.
At the moment, the world's best managers are tied down, though, and many arent interested in moving. Pep is set for a sabbatical in the US, Mourinho seems more intent than ever to make his mark on Real's history, Klopp is still honeymooning with Dortmund, Deschamps isn't looking as good as originally thought, Emery and Bielsa are keen to stay in Spain, Blanc has shown real weakness in handling the French NT, etc. Not too many to pick from right at this point in time.
Whilst nobody is denying that the Chelsea dressing room is chock full of bellends, the overwhelming impression from respected journalists who delved into the matter after the fact (as I learnt during the time when AVB was linked to Liverpool) strongly suggest that the man behaved like a dickhead himself.
It definitely wasn't the case of simply Terry and Lampard fucking him over; he contributed significantly to his own downfall there.
Phantast2k
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yeah, I don't know about "paying off", I bet it's going to make it hard to participate in serious discussion now & I'm going to hear it a lot in football discussion (Alles ist vorbei, Alles ist vorbei)..
Kind of feels like
But I guess I deserve it for not keeping my cool.
The only thing about AVB is that do you really see him doing better with the Spurs squad than Harry did? I understand they want him to ideally build a legacy there, but I just don't see him as a good fit for a club like Tottenham. I think Louis Van Gaal would be a keener pick as he's got a great reputation with spotting and utilizing young talent. Personality wise I think both of them are fully capable of disastrous dressing room fall-outs. Must be something to do with the tri-letter abbreviated names
At the moment, the world's best managers are tied down, though, and many arent interested in moving. Pep is set for a sabbatical in the US, Mourinho seems more intent than ever to make his mark on Real's history, Klopp is still honeymooning with Dortmund, Deschamps isn't looking as good as originally thought, Emery and Bielsa are keen to stay in Spain, Blanc has shown real weakness in handling the French NT, etc. Not too many to pick from right at this point in time.
Trust me you dont want Van Gaal, he'll destroy just as much as he builds.
Well, it's a matter of perspective
As a Bayern fan i can certainly appreciate your "badge of shame"Last thing on the Spurs situation is Alberto Zaccheroni. I wonder if they've done any sounding out for him.
He took a mediocre Japanese side and has them playing a beautiful, creative and often deadly attacking football using many of the same traits Tottenham's squad possesses - intelligence, speed and passing ability. The Japanese FA just extended his contract, but he was talking two years ago about possibly going back to club football. I absolutely love him and feared he'd be tempted to try a bigger project but it appears he likes the gaijin lifestyle (can't blame him I love it too)
He took a mediocre Japanese side and has them playing a beautiful, creative and often deadly attacking football using many of the same traits Tottenham's squad possesses - intelligence, speed and passing ability. The Japanese FA just extended his contract, but he was talking two years ago about possibly going back to club football. I absolutely love him and feared he'd be tempted to try a bigger project but it appears he likes the gaijin lifestyle (can't blame him I love it too
)AVB came into the premier league too soon. That extra year in Portugal and no expectations in the CL would have been a great experience for him. I;m just beating a dead horse. But being more or less a neutral I want to see him succeed at Spurs. Both sides can use and gain a lot from each other at the moment.
That'd be great. Apparently we've upped our offer for Debuchy once again, and apparently he has said to Lille that he wants to go.
If all this can happen before our pre-season games start I'd be chuffed.
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