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Sales-Age: NTDOY Q4 earnings report
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i.oi pwnt
Cheesemeister
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I'm shocked that NTDOY has dropped a dollar today so far. WTF?
papelnabangka
Member
Hmm, so when is the Wii gonna surpass the combined sales of the PS360?
Pureauthor
Member
Cheesemeister said:
The world's economy is in the shitter. Most stocks will be dropping regardless of how well their companies actually do.
See - Apple.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
norinrad21
Banned
All eyes on 3rd parties
Jibber Hack
Member
Ah, what a time to be a fanboy. I'm really sorry to the Brian Intehars (sic) out there that are afraid of the Wii's success. As long as Ninty are around making some brand of game, I'll be happy. That they make so much money doing it is just plain awesome. It's good to see "Nintendo players" flying off the shelves. Doesn't make playing Halo 3 on a nice widescreen HDTV any less sweet.
I hope that they use this money though, to consolidate their base with more hardcore offerings. It really can't hurt.
I hope that they use this money though, to consolidate their base with more hardcore offerings. It really can't hurt.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Same here. I was hoping it was going pop back into the 70s so I'd have a nice place to unload it.Cheesemeister said:
As for the thought that there earnings were already accounted for, I don't buy that completely. I expected their earnings to go up, but not like they have. It's amazing.
(Even) better advertising, more researches (software and hardware), not necessarily more games, but more polished games.KevinCow said:
If I were Iwata: build up departements in China, India, and Brazil. Of course the big challenge is the piracy in these countries, but at least Nintendo can make some healthy win with the hardware. Nintendo already made a departement in South Korea and is having success with the DS.
Cheesemeister said:
Don't stress, it's a great buying opportunity. The price is around where it was when they released earnings last July, and now we have 95% earnings growth and a dividend increase.
The only question mark over this stock is how the strengthening yen will affect international earnings. I don't think it will be a big deal, but that's what's depressing the share price at the moment.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Woot. Stock price is rallying. Up 1.05 since I last posted.
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up another 55 cents.
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up another 55 cents.
Minsc
Gold Member
Cheesemeister said:
People are unconvinced Wii Fit will be launched in the US/Europe this year perhaps? That alone should be enough to bump the stock up a bit higher.
I think investors just want Nintendo to start announcing more products, at least some more colors would help. We've seen what the Wii and DS can do, now it's time to move forward! Start hyping things again Nintendo, investors aren't satisfied with 1.8M / month.
New features, new colors, new products, new games, and more production. Let's go! That wheel can turn faster yet!
Stop It said:
I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo had relatively few employees, and the revenue / profit per employee was astronomical.
Ahh: Wired blog from May 2007 referring to an article in Fortune.
$2.43 billion over 3400 employees is about $700k per employee? I wonder if they have profit-sharing...
Version 3.0
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C4Lukins said:
Screw the investors. That's the problem with so many large companies: they're not happy turning a profit every year, even a very large profit. They feel that they must grow, or they're failing. Making $3 billion in profit two years running is considered bad. Making $3 billion one year and $2.9 billion the next is considered "losing money".
The concept of invested shares was not meant to be a buying and selling game. It was meant to work like this: you buy some shares, and you get back profit on each share you have. If the company profits, you profit.
But of course, it turned out you can make more money by buying low and selling high.
Still, that wasn't a problem, either. The problem is that companies are more concerned about their share price than their profitability--because their own executives and shareholders demand it, since they also want the faster cash for their own shares.
It creates all sorts of problems, including hugely overvalued shares based on potential earnings (which can lead to problems like the market is experiencing now).
On the real world side, outside of financial silliness, it can make for a very poor work environment. I work for a company that's been purchased several times over the last 6 years, and most of those buyouts come with mass firings and increased workloads for the remaining employees. Every year, we're expected to have significantly higher sales despite the fact that our customer base has a fairly steady cap--the number of hotel rooms we have in our casinos. Costs are expected to fall every year, so when an employee leaves, they're often not replaced. All this for the stock price. The company makes an extremely high profit every year, but not necessarily more than the prior one. It's not sustainable.
A few years ago, I worked for another casino. It was bought out and I lost my job, with no regard for how well I'd done--it was simple math. I saw the e-mail to my boss (who was fired after he'd fired the rest of us) detailing how much money he needed to cut in salaries.
I didn't hold a grudge, and in fact took another job a few months later, with the company who bought us out. But it is frustrating.
Mithos Yggdrasill
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Eteric Rice said:
Lol Good one !
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Up $1.60 for the day so far. wh00t.
microsoft's earnings just came out.
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY08/earn_rel_q2_08.mspx
it looks like the entertainment and devices division is in the red for the quarter?
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY08/earn_rel_q2_08.mspx
it looks like the entertainment and devices division is in the red for the quarter?
Britprog said:
That's a bit worrying I believe. The Wii was selling great for a while during most of the first half of 2007 and then seemed to slow down quite a bit in the 2nd half until November came and went. I guess I'm just blinded by DS numbers and thinking the Wii should do that as well.
MisterHero
Super Member
This is the "Sell High" part of "Buy Low > Sell High".Cheesemeister said:
So yeah people are selling at what was NTDOY's highpoint ($75). Last I checked it was $65. It's a good time to do that.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
TheRipDizz said:
Uh, no. That's the spin of the detractors, which frankly is quite pathetic.
Let's at least not spin so hard for a minute. As far as third parties go, they're developers and publishers responsible for their own sales. In charge of creating, developing, publishing and marketing, if anyone has to explain anything it's them. Frankly Nintendo isn't doing anything wrong in that area, it's the companies that aren't doing anything right, including coming up with these "excuses".
Eteric Rice
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Odysseus said:
Owned.
Sorry, I had to.
JoshuaJSlone
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There are more Wiis available than any near-launch home console ever. Now showing up to two years from launches.
I also notice that in terms of units shipped from launch time, this past holiday caused DS to pull away from GBA and PS2.
Actually, speaking of pulling away from the GBA, it looks like this latest shipment data puts Wii slightly ahead of GBA, making it Nintendo's fastest selling system ever for this time period.
Europe has come from behind, and is now DS hardware's biggest region. Japan is in second, and North America third.
I also notice that in terms of units shipped from launch time, this past holiday caused DS to pull away from GBA and PS2.
Actually, speaking of pulling away from the GBA, it looks like this latest shipment data puts Wii slightly ahead of GBA, making it Nintendo's fastest selling system ever for this time period.
Europe has come from behind, and is now DS hardware's biggest region. Japan is in second, and North America third.
Cheesemeister
Member
No movement on the Nikkei, either. Very odd. I guess earnings were right in line with expectations: sky high.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I feel like the thread title's acronym NTDOY screwed up the hugeness this thread was bound to be if the whole Nintendo name + a Europe (!), USA and JAP numbers reference were in the title... maybe it's better this way though :lol
ComputerNerd
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GaimeGuy said:
Maybe answered already, but I believe that's for the previous 9 months.
This is sales related.
Wii Tie Ratio was actually 8:1 in December says Matt.
http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Remember, this is roughly 8 million owners buying 1 wii game. The article leads you to believe that 1.3 million people bought 8 games per console.
Wii Tie Ratio was actually 8:1 in December says Matt.
http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/847/847472p1.html
Remember, this is roughly 8 million owners buying 1 wii game. The article leads you to believe that 1.3 million people bought 8 games per console.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
JoshuaJSlone said:
Not even accounting for the fact that DS came out in EU months later than US&JP (unlike Wii which had just a couple of weeks between launches), making the EU market even bigger then what LTD's numbers show...
Leondexter said:
I just gotta comment on this has this is something that I've always noticed when a company posts it's earnings. Wall Street analysts will expect a company to post, for example a $100 million dollar profit for a quarter. But damn it all if you happen to have a quarter with a $98 million dollar profit. They then think you failed, you're losing money, etc...and your share price takes a hit -- even though you made 98 million for the quarter in profit. Just because some guy with a suit on, who probably lives in his mom's basement pulled the $100 million dollar number out of his ass as an "expectation", you've ultimately failed.
It's really ridiculous.
super funk
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Farmboy said:
Those are crazy sales for those DS games. Every one of them has to be over 10 million worldwide. Has any system ever had this many 10+ million sellers as the DS?
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Wow, so the Gamecube actually received 39 new games in the US during this 9 months period? 8 in Japan.
Was there anything worth it?lol )
Was there anything worth it?
lol )Son.Ralph.Funk
Member
Wii's installed base will pass GCN and N64 this year, and SNES next year. Book it.
Son.Ralph.Funk
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Penguin said:
Does anyone know what XBOX360's numbers were after 13.5 months? I always hear about how much better 360 software sells, but I doubt their attach rate was any better after the same amount of time.
D.Lo
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5.3 as of December 2006, seemingly shipped worldwide. Ironically, back then it was being seen as a bad thing.Son.Ralph.Funk said:
"It is natural for us to conclude that the higher the attach rate, the greater the console's appeal to its owners and the bigger the revenue per console for game publishers. However, we believe the unusually high attach rate on the 360 is a sign of an increasingly unhealthy console growth rate, and should be worrisome to publishers and investors...It doesn't take effort to see that a console with an attach rate of 8 and an installed base of 50 million is superior to a console with an attach rate of 12 with an installed base of 20 million," they further explained."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr...ness/news/e3i74d7f1097c5379d68a04f292200c079f
Dash Kappei said:Wow, so the Gamecube actually received 39 new games in the US during this 9 months period? 8 in Japan.
Was there anything worth it?
Um, you are reading the chart wrong. For the April-December 2007 period, the GameCube got 0 new games in Japan, 3 new games in the Americas (North America + South America), and 1 new game in Other (Europe, Oceania, Africa, etc.). They sold about 80K GameCube games in Japan during that period. As for that 39 number, I assume you are referring to the 390K GameCube games Nintendo sold in the Americas for the April-December 2006 period.
Son.Ralph.Funk
Member
So the Wii's attach rate is higher than 360's after the same period of time? But I thought 360 software sold so much better than Wii software? Looks like I've been lied to all along.