Going by this
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/19/16333174/sonic-adventure-3-will-never-happen
Iizuka on Polygon said:
it seems Sonic Team lack the passion or interest to even try.
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Sonic Forces - Casino Forest gameplay
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Going by this
https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/19/16333174/sonic-adventure-3-will-never-happen
it seems Sonic Team lack the passion or interest to even try.
LordKasual
Banned
Oh this this sounds like it should look ne-
...oh, of course it's a 2D stage in a 3D game
...oh, of course it's a 2D stage in a 3D game
The Xtortionist
Member
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
That's still so bizarre to me. Why have the same stupid burst of music EVERY TIME YOU DASH?
theofficefan99
Junior Member
I'm just wondering how this game took so long??? And why is it so low budget??? I just don't understand.
LinkSlayer64
Member
Looking at the 3D gameplay, that actually looks fun to me. It also makes me think I wouldn't mind a Sonic game that kinda takes the werehog stuff and mixes it with speed stuff. Like, going fast, and then some brief fun beat-em-up.
Problem is as it stands now, their combat isn't as quick as Freedom Planet, it essentially pauses the game, but there's no substance to it.
Problem is as it stands now, their combat isn't as quick as Freedom Planet, it essentially pauses the game, but there's no substance to it.
how is it any different than an invincibility jingle
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Looks OKish, but I'd rather have more Mania.
MindCollizion
Member
Game didn't impress me at E3 and it's not looking good still.
The Xtortionist
Member
Think it's just for context-sensitive team boosts.
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
In most games, especially ones with good music like Mania or most modern Marios, I actually don't like invincibility jingles. If a level has a good jam playing, I usually actively avoid invincibility pickups!
Vermillion
Banned
Lmao, YouTube comment:
ok so why are you pretending its absolutely bizarre that a developer doesnt share your hyper specific pet peeve
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
It's just odd to me that the cue starts over with each use of the dash. Seems like it'd get old fast. I don't expect folks to agree or share my opinion; just making an observation.
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
If they're not as common as I thought, then that's fine. I was under the impression that the Tag Boost could be used whenever.
Yeah, it's a scripted segment that only happens once in that stage.
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
Very well then; I had presumed that it was equivalent to the traditional 3D Sonic boost that is often spammed incessantly. Since it's not, I retract my complaint!
Despite how down I've been on the game, I actually kind of liked the look of this level.
But I can't deny it:
-Lacked enemies: We do see one in the distance but it's just a basic Egg Pawn 2.0 or whatever they're calling them
-Seemed short: I know we don't see the level start, but it doesn't look like much else comes before that point
-Lacks progression: Others have said it, but damn, does that level just end.
-Reuses assets: You can clearly tell those are Lost World vines.
-Panders to nostalgia: It's all just recycled Casino Night Zone elements, but they're doing less with them now than they did 25 years ago.
-Uses that same drum sample that plagued Sonic 4's OST: ... Because other than the drums being loud & reused, I really, really enjoyed this song.
-Didn't fix Generations Physics: At all. Why do you leave him getting stuck on a ledge he was rolling down in the trailer you are using to sell the game?!
I'm actually seeing some potential with this Zone, but the execution's showing all of the same old flaws. It's a nice set-piece, so I'm hoping there's a harder route, or they're just making it easier because the original Casino Night had few enemies. But I'm still not expecting much more than what we've been seeing.
But I can't deny it:
-Lacked enemies: We do see one in the distance but it's just a basic Egg Pawn 2.0 or whatever they're calling them
-Seemed short: I know we don't see the level start, but it doesn't look like much else comes before that point
-Lacks progression: Others have said it, but damn, does that level just end.
-Reuses assets: You can clearly tell those are Lost World vines.
-Panders to nostalgia: It's all just recycled Casino Night Zone elements, but they're doing less with them now than they did 25 years ago.
-Uses that same drum sample that plagued Sonic 4's OST: ... Because other than the drums being loud & reused, I really, really enjoyed this song.
-Didn't fix Generations Physics: At all. Why do you leave him getting stuck on a ledge he was rolling down in the trailer you are using to sell the game?!
I'm actually seeing some potential with this Zone, but the execution's showing all of the same old flaws. It's a nice set-piece, so I'm hoping there's a harder route, or they're just making it easier because the original Casino Night had few enemies. But I'm still not expecting much more than what we've been seeing.
The problem with that quote is that it's bullshit.
They have now put "classic Sonic" in two separate games and heavily marketed that fact. So either drop him completely or do it right.
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
Like I said: "Casino Forest" is a really interesting hybrid level theme, but the execution here is rather weak.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Lost World may have been disappointing and had major problem, but at least if was interesting and Sonic Team were trying something new. They fell flat on their faces but at least they tried. Forces is a lazy bland game that does nothing interesting and shows Sonic Team clearly have no confidence in themselves.
Arc Christelle
Member
This shit looks like the equivalent of standing outside of a party.
They're really keeping info close to the chest this time, this is the first new zone reveal in 5 months. Considering we've now seen 2 Custom Hero levels and 2 Classic Sonic levels, I'm guessing they'll show off one more Modern Sonic level before release.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
Member
Music for 2D levels in this games sucks
Ristifer
Member
Lol.
Monado Blade
Member
Exactly my thoughts. This looks so bland... Sonic 4 bland.
SoulUnison
Banned
I assume because the Modern Sonic stages are the third of the game people actually buy it for, so they want to leave the surprise and freshness intact.
It's bizarre that they're not picking clips and segments that make Classic and Custom look appealing, though.
So many of these marketing clips seem like below-average players running through half-finished stages.
You know, I wonder if Classic Sonic's levels in this game aren't secretly Generations 2 in disguise. Watching the Green Hill footage again, there's nothing in that stage that wasn't found in the original Green Hill Zone from Sonic 1, and his boss battle is the same Robotnik swinging a ball from that level as well (until the surprise Egg Dragoon). And here, every gimmick is taken from Casino Night Zone. Maybe the reason there's nothing new in his stages is because they aren't meant to have new elements, they're meant to be straight remixes of zones from previous games.
Arc Christelle
Member
Classic Sonic is like the fake Gucci belt of gaming.
Judging by this review of the demo, this game is going to be quite the trainwreck.
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/09/sonic-forces-egx-2017-hands-on-impressions/
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/09/sonic-forces-egx-2017-hands-on-impressions/
///PATRIOT
Banned
People are really rough in this thread, someone already called the game garbage.
Telephone Man
Member
Is Jun Senoue composing the classic tracks?
His Sonic 4's soundtrack was awful, and this is only slightly better. I really wish he would just stop.
As for the Zone itself, I like the theme and the casino looks 'incomplete' which I think is a cool idea, but the gameplay still looks weak.
His Sonic 4's soundtrack was awful, and this is only slightly better. I really wish he would just stop.
As for the Zone itself, I like the theme and the casino looks 'incomplete' which I think is a cool idea, but the gameplay still looks weak.
Not75Drops
Member
Why did I even look at the youtube/twitter comments lol. Around 90% of it is just littered with the same old "you can't judge the game before it's out", "this is probably just an early version" and "the sonic fanbase doesn't know what it wants!" responses.
Omega Kirby
Member
I agree, and the Sonic Advance 2 was great too
Yeah and 90% of neogaf comments are "It looks like crap" "Sonic Mania is better". Works both ways
For me that's quite the opposite of hype. I don't see anything interesting in going fast in a straight line.
It's weird because Jun Senoue is usually a fantastic composer.
EvilRedEye
Member
In the original time travel design documents for Sonic 2, Casino Night Zone was the future version of the present day Wood Zone, so kinda interesting to see a new level combining similar themes.
Not75Drops
Member
I was looking up info about the music. The most we have so far are the people who composed the title theme.
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/24/...ntry-talks-more-about-the-forces-theme-music/
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/24/...ntry-talks-more-about-the-forces-theme-music/
I don't really agree with those types of comments either, but those excuses I mentioned are hilarious. They don't even make any sense.
I understand what you're trying to say, but, when the fuck has a mario game not had good downhill momentum?
Professor Lexicovermis
Member
lol
Pfft. The ol "glue on the floor" trap. Classic.
How did I miss this earlier? Holy shit, that's awful.
That's not my reading of it. I mean, I could be wrong, but it sounds like what he's saying is that the team wants to keep trying new things instead of refining the things that Sonic does right.
Which is not a bad mindset IN THEORY. But the problem is that Sonic Team doesn't seem to realize that you have to show a basic level of competency first. It's sort of like if Michael Jordan decided to pursue golf because he felt like he successfully conquered baseball.
Nintendoga
Member
Looks pretty mediocre like the rest of the game.
Feels like this game lacks focus. That's a shame, since this is the 4th boost game they should know what works by now.
Feels like this game lacks focus. That's a shame, since this is the 4th boost game they should know what works by now.