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WiiU technical discussion (serious discussions welcome)
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C'mon man, let me have my optimism :/...
Apophis2036
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Hell Yes !.
Apophis2036
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I can see the headlines now
-"WiiU has a 200GFLOP GPU, WEAKER THAN PS360 CONFIRMED !!1!!!"
ColdBlooder
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tough pill for who? The haters, or the fans?
That's...Huh. I guess 480 shaders is out of the question now? I don't have long to compare it to anything else. Looks like that eDRAM takes just under 1/4th of the entire die.
It's not free of course, but often fixed function hardware can operate faster or in a smaller space than the programmable hardware that would be needed to recreate it. Like back when GPUs switched to unified, one pixel shader was faster than one unified shader, there were just more unified shaders.
It's not free of course, but often fixed function hardware can operate faster or in a smaller space than the programmable hardware that would be needed to recreate it. Like back when GPUs switched to unified, one pixel shader was faster than one unified shader, there were just more unified shaders.
Shadow of the BEAST
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this deserves its own thread imho.
Thunder Monkey
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the fans i guess
EDRAM actually takes up around 31% of the die area.
phosphor112
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Yeah, let's get a split bump. Someone PM a mod.
Moral Panic
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Make a new thread now and then another one when we get the analysis. You can never have enough threads.
And BGassasin, but we all know that USC-fan was right stating that it was just an stock r700 with no changes whatsoever.
Captain Smoker
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Nope.
Cosmonaut X
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I think it's better to wait for the people who actually secured this to prepare something a bit more considered for a new thread. A split bump doesn't really help here.
Don't forget no gpgpu.
*cue rant about how we don't understand what he meant when he literally said no gpgpu*
Wsippel came up with the theory, irc
Someone did a google search in this thread, but editted his post because Thractor asked not to get into the "he said/she said" game... but it was rather funny. The first post on the first page of google had the exact quote.
4870 with blocks annotated for refference
Better view with no annotation -
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2013/02/C10234F5_Poly_b.jpg
At first glance it does look very, very cut down from the 4870.
Better view with no annotation -
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/technologyblog/files/2013/02/C10234F5_Poly_b.jpg
At first glance it does look very, very cut down from the 4870.
Apophis2036
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Poor BG, looks like he was a bit off with his 600Gflop guess .
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Refreshment.01
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Ahhhh! So now you lower your standards. Hopefuly the dream is dead and reality will set in.
TAke a wild guess... Hint:
it concers you, you'll not be eased
He might still be right in real world term as who the hell knows how to measure the FF stuff?Poor BG, looks like he was a bit off with his 600Gflop guess
Depends if the FF ends up being Wii only but I'm guessing that'd be a pretty big waste.
BTW How do we know its not a standard looking die?
ColdBlooder
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prag16
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I can see the headlines now
"WiiU has a 200GFLOP GPU, WEAKER THAN PS360 CONFIRMED !!1!!!"
This is what I'm fully expecting. And nobody will remember how (as was just mantioned) how the Gamecube gave the xbox a run for it's money in most cases working with less than 40% of the FLOPS.
it did? wut
I keep thinking you are one of GAF's joke accounts, but it doesn't say "banned" under your tag.
lwilliams3
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He might still be right in real world term as who the hell knows how to measure the FF stuff?
I need to find that post Wsippel made some time ago. It looks like his theory may be correct.
Refreshment.01
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Ok man, im not happy if this is the case. Is just that what about the reasonable people? You know the ones that tried to get some disscussion going leaving fanatism and bias aside. Who cries for them? XD
Horse Armour
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2 years of speculation threads all stating that the Wii U will be a cross generational console all flushed down the drain. That must really hurt.
He's talking about stuff like Rogue Squadron, and Rogue Leader.
McHuj
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That's what my guess has been in the past and it kind of looks like that on the die. I eagerly await the analysis.
Apophis2036
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I have to ask, is there really a need for a new thread ?.
If the news if good it will die within 5 pages and if news is bad all it is going to lead to is 20+ pages of people arguing with more than likely a few of the regulars from this thread being banned...
Everyone who is interested in the WiiU hardware is already posting in here imo.
If the news if good it will die within 5 pages and if news is bad all it is going to lead to is 20+ pages of people arguing with more than likely a few of the regulars from this thread being banned...
Everyone who is interested in the WiiU hardware is already posting in here imo.
Captain Smoker
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This.
ColdBlooder
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No it really isn't. Games will look fine.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I agree with you but your post will likely be in vain as neogaf errs on the side of sensationalism.
It is quite some times that non stupid people knew that this wasn't the case
The cross generational stuff was already flushed down the drain at the E3.
Thunder Monkey
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Depending on what is attempted that 40% can be a huge gulf.
You had to hijack the CPU and hamstring the system to pull off one thing the Xbox could do easily. Dot3 precision bump-maps.
If simple EMBM or emboss are what was needed the GCN would probably achieve it quicker, with a negligible hit to the system. But any time you wanted the bump-mapping that set apart Xbox titles you were just about SoL.
I was just thinking about THAT. LOL Oh man this just crushed those gpgpu dreams. Man you guys dont even know yet!!!
lol /scott tenorman must die.gif
Meaning? Its shaders are still more advanced than the previous gen, even if there aren't so many as we would have liked.
Although this does make me wonder, with seemingly so little to work with, how much could GPGPU work really help? A full 4870 would struggle with GPGPU while doing 3D work, let alone something cut down.
And we know this how? I read the rumor months back that there was some free lighting tech in there, but do we *know*?
Refreshment.01
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Yea, now it's about magical custom and fixed function hardware XD
PS: Im really sorry, my apologies to you and others that might be offended. But this is just too rich to pass by.
Over five official speculation threads, + 100,000 replies
hundreds of bans, hype, meltdowns, tears, joy and frustration will resume in a single thread
It WAS worth it
the biggest problem with HD 4000 series's GPGPU performance was memory, the 32MB edram would help a great deal with this.
well, if you look at my history i gave up on fixed function shaders in the wust up to a year ago... it being back is awesome. Also everyone's expectations had to go down, or do you not remember the 3TFLOP PS4/XB3 that was coming.
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