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Persona 5 - First details from Dengeki

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ShockingAlberto

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Man, remember when gaming news sites were reporting that Catherine was a porn game and headlines about how the demo was pulled from PSN for being explicitly sexual and Sony took it down for too many complaints.

And people want sexual relationships in Persona!
 
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flatearthpandas

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Reila said:
You keep telling yourself that.
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Clearly, Scooby Doo mysteries starring a bunch of halfwits, an anime teen detective, and a pop idol coming to grips with their true selves
safe, normal teenagers with normal desires
is darker than the story about overwhelming depression and abandoning yourself to despair.
 
Dr. Buni

Dr. Buni

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Jawmuncher said:
I will. I have read the numerous comment's on the matter but from my personal experience it indeed felt that way. I mean if I didn't get that vibe from when I played it I wouldn't be saying it. Though I can understand where the disagreements come from.
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I just don't see how P3 is clearly darker than P4, unless we are talking specifically about aesthetics.
shampoowarrior said:
Clearly, Scooby Doo mysteries
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Okay. It amazes me to see how many people ignore the main aspect of Persona 4, which happens to be the characters struggling with diverse psychological problems (I would argue some weren't really problems, but that is not the point) and focus only in the "detective" side of it. Persona 3 surely had a lot of drama and dark moments, but that doesn't make of Persona 4 a light and goofy game. Both games are dark in their own ways.
 
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duckroll

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I doubt there'll be any screens of Persona 5 for a while. The game a year away at least. Maybe they'll have the first gameplay trailer bundled with P4A2 or something. That would fit the timing of starting to show actual content about 6 months or less before release.
 
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flatearthpandas

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Reila said:
You lost me there. Anyway, it amazes me to see how many people ignore the main aspect of Persona 4, which is the characters struggling with diverse psychological problems (I would argue some weren't really problems, but that is not the point) and focus only in the "detective" side of it.
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It amazes me how people can quote things without reading them and then complain that no one ever brings up things inside the quoted text.

Their problems are pedestrian. Kanji was the only potential exception but they played it safe. Despair is a darker theme than coming to grips with being a teenager.
 
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Ishida

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Dark_castle said:
High school again...

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I seriously don't know what people are expecting with Persona. So far we've had 4 Persona games with a school setting, and suddenly people start expecting something completely different?

That's exactly what Persona is: Shin Megami Tensei "lite" on school settings. That's the escence of the series, it's a spin-off of the main Shin Megami Tensei franchise.
 
Dr. Buni

Dr. Buni

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duckroll said:
I doubt there'll be any screens of Persona 5 for a while. The game a year away at least. Maybe they'll have the first gameplay trailer bundled with P4A2 or something. That would fit the timing of starting to show actual content about 6 months or less before release.
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They could show us at least some of the character designs before that, right?
 
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Jazz-ism

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Reila said:
The gameplay is horrendous (same goes to P2, IMO). The characters and story are nice, though (again, same goes to P2). If one can overlook the clunky gameplay, then the game is perfectly fine.

If you say so.
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i agree
persona 1 is a CHORE to play

story and characters are decent tho...

persona 2 just does the things persona 1 did but did them better and the gameplay was not nearly ass booty juice as p1

p3 and p4 are about the same in quality imo. both all around good games in many ways
 
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Brawl96

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I would be excited if they changed the setting. I know Japanese developers have a very weak understand of the American High School culture, but Id think a American high school would be a fun place for P5.
 
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Faustek

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shampoowarrior said:
It amazes me how people can quote things without reading them and then complain that no one ever brings up things inside the quoted text.

Their problems are pedestrian. Kanji was the only potential exception but they played it safe. Despair is a darker theme than coming to grips with being a teenager.
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Wait so existential crisis, "transgender issues" are not something that can make you feel "despair"? What am I missing?

Brawl96 said:
I would be excited if they changed the setting. I know Japanese developers have a very weak understand of the American High School culture, but Id think a American high school would be a fun place for P5.
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That idea is horrible...if I'm to believe Hollywood.
 
Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

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Jazz-ism said:
i agree
persona 1 is a CHORE to play

story and characters are decent tho...

persona 2 just does the things persona 1 did but did them better and the gameplay was not nearly ass booty juice as p1

p3 and p4 are about the same in quality imo. both all around good games in many ways
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Sums up my feelings towards P1.
Had to use cheats to beat it because I just couldn't stand it. I tried to give the game the benefit of the doubt to more than once and with multiple hours in.

Still need to play P2. Played a little of the beginning and was definitely liking it more than P1.
 
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Village

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Faustek said:
Wait so existential crisis, "transgender issues" are not something that can make you feel "despair"? What am I missing?

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What transgender issues?

You mean naoto mentioning the boy thing, that is not transgender issues. That is like me saying it would be cool to be white because it would make my life easier.
 
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flatearthpandas

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
Oh no you misunderstood. I was saying I like the theme :)
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Ah, my apologies.

The theme is interesting. I'd like to see their take on it as well, even if it is no deeper than the stress of test taking. If the Persona team showed us anything with Catherine and P4, its that they can deal with normal issues in interesting ways.
 
Dr. Buni

Dr. Buni

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Faustek said:
Wait so existential crisis, "transgender issues" are not something that can make you feel "despair"? What am I missing?
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There was no transgender issue in Persona 4.

At first I thought that was
Naoto's issue, but she was just insecure about her gender, nothing more
. A shame, though. Same goes to Kanji and his 'issue'.
 
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Village

Member
Reila said:
There was no transgender issue in Persona 4.

At first I thought that was
Naoto's issue, but she was just insecure about her gender, nothing more
. A shame, though. Same goes to Kanji and his 'issue'.
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Its more sexism if anything.
 
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duckroll

Member
Reila said:
They could show us at least some of the character designs before that, right?
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Well, for reference, here's the timeline of how they marketed SMT4, which was their last big game:

May 31 2012 - Famitsu ad teaser, official site opens with nothing but vague teaser images.

Aug 30 2012 - Soul Hackers released with a SMT4 trailer on the cart. Glimpses of characters and setting, no official details.

Sept 17 2012 - New trailer released online. Edited version of TGS trailer. Lots of gameplay footage.

Sept 20 2012 - Famitsu article blowout with details on staff, characters, demons, world setting, etc.

Oct 10 2012 - Full TGS trailer released online.

Feb 21 2013 - Famitsu announces the May 23 release date and the limited 3DS XL.

May 23 2013 - The game is released.

Going by that, I'll say that it'll be several months before we see anything, but they'll probably announce proper details for the game some time in early 2014.
 
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hypostatic

Member
Ishida said:
I seriously don't know what people are expecting with Persona. So far we've had 4 Persona games with a school setting, and suddenly people start expecting something completely different?

That's exactly what Persona is: Shin Megami Tensei "lite" on school settings. That's the escence of the series, it's a spin-off of the main Shin Megami Tensei franchise.
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And I want nothing else. And for those who do want something else... well, they're probably going to buy this anyway!
 
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Faustek

Member
Reila said:
There was no transgender issue in Persona 4.

At first I thought that was
Naoto's issue, but she was just insecure about her gender, nothing more
. A shame, though. Same goes to Kanji and his 'issue'.
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Dantis said:
Transgender issues? In Persona?

Nah mate.
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Village said:
What transgender issues?

You mean naoto mentioning the boy thing, that is not transgender issues. That is like me saying it would be cool to be white because it would make my life easier.
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Hell yes it would be easier.
Being white that is. Add to it that I'm male on top of becoming white would be awesome to try out

But from her standpoint it was not. To me she was torn between being a woman or man because one could and the other wasn't. One was supposed the other shouldn't. I would love to believe that this particular moment was just necessary because Japan is soooo far behind in gender roles but lets not kid ourselves. We might like to boast equality but we are far from there.

But yes, perhaps not "transgender" per say but her gender identifier was all over the place. Now go out and dress/behave as the opposite sex not because you want to but because some unseen entity is forcing you to do so.
 
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Mr. Fix

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I don't mind that it's HS again, but I'm still hoping the atmosphere is somewhat darker - more than P4, at least.

Also how about the full 3 years of HS, eh, ehh?
 
Dr. Buni

Dr. Buni

Member
duckroll said:
Well, for reference, here's the timeline of how they marketed SMT4, which was their last big game:

May 31 2012 - Famitsu ad teaser, official site opens with nothing but vague teaser images.

Aug 30 2012 - Soul Hackers released with a SMT4 trailer on the cart. Glimpses of characters and setting, no official details.

Sept 17 2012 - New trailer released online. Edited version of TGS trailer. Lots of gameplay footage.

Sept 20 2012 - Famitsu article blowout with details on staff, characters, demons, world setting, etc.

Oct 10 2012 - Full TGS trailer released online.

Feb 21 2013 - Famitsu announces the May 23 release date and the limited 3DS XL.

May 23 2013 - The game is released.

Going by that, I'll say that it'll be several months before we see anything, but they'll probably announce proper details for the game some time in early 2014.
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I see. Thanks! Better keep my expectations low in regards of knowing more stuff about the game, then.
 
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P90

Member
I like the details. Here is to hoping they further the improvements from P3 to P4/G. I have no issues with the high school setting. Those are usually the ages of maximal angst. Even if you are older, the memories are still there and are easy to relate to on an emotional level. I am sure Atlus won't let us down with the tone of the game. I predict that they won't stray too dark, given the success of P4.
 
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jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
Faustek said:
I think you're missing the point. Let me quote an earlier post to perhaps enlighten your conundrum.



And I agree, inclusion and choice are nearly always a good thing. Only time I can't see it as a good thing is if they included Rainbow Dash from MLP as a demon in the SMT series.
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most MLP fans are dudes anyway

probably a lot of cross over with the guys who love in game dating
 
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Village

Member
Faustek said:
Hell yes it would be easier.
Being white that is. Add to it that I'm male on top of becoming white would be awesome to try out

But from her standpoint it was not. To me she was torn between being a woman or man because one could and the other wasn't. One was supposed the other shouldn't. I would love to believe that this particular moment was just necessary because Japan is soooo far behind in gender roles but lets not kid ourselves. We might like to boast equality but we are far from there.

But yes, perhaps not "transgender" per say but her gender identifier was all over the place. Now go out and dress/behave as the opposite sex not because you want to but because some unseen entity is forcing you to do so.
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I disagree. that is like saying Mulan was having issues with gender. No, she had issues with gender roles.
 
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Lunar15

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"Dark" is a worthless term. I want something meaningful and emotionally engaging. I wouldn't say persona games are the deepest things ever, but they always make an attempt to resonate on every level. They stick to their themes, even when it gets corny. But I admire that.

I'm not expecting P5 to be some magnum opus that fully explores a full range of socially relevant topics and exposes them to their core, but I trust the team to make something that treads that line of being down to earth while still being fantastical.
 
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Faustek

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Village said:
I disagree. that is like saying Mulan was having issues with gender. No, she had issues with gender roles.
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A better argument yes. Perhaps the SJW(a little joke with truth) inside of me wishes it to be more yes. But outside of some indie games this is the closest to actually touch the subject, to my knowledge that is, I wish they could have embraced both Kanji's sexuality and Naoto's gender "issues(hencefort red as role)" but, as some has pointed it out, played it safe.

That doesn't mean we can't fill out the blanks ourselves.
 
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dramatis

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duckroll said:
I doubt there'll be any screens of Persona 5 for a while. The game a year away at least. Maybe they'll have the first gameplay trailer bundled with P4A2 or something. That would fit the timing of starting to show actual content about 6 months or less before release.
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I think it'll still come out before FF15. Which is sad.
 
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Village

Member
Faustek said:
A better argument yes. Perhaps the SJW(a little joke with truth) inside of me wishes it to be more yes. But outside of some indie games this is the closest to actually touch the subject, to my knowledge that is, I wish they could have embraced both Kanji's sexuality and Naoto's gender "issues(hencefort red as role)" but, as some has pointed it out, played it safe.

That doesn't mean we can't fill out the blanks ourselves.
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i understand one taking the canon into their own head. By all means fill in the blanks, I just do not think that was even the beging of a gender identity issue. It had always been presented as a dudes got a golden, kind of thing. And I dunno if they had gender issues with a character, I kind of would not want it naoto. It would kind of be stereotypical to have her as the transgendered person. Women have shrot hair and wear pants all the time. I am sitting beside some at this moment.

I think it would have been more interesting if chie , yukiko, or rise had some type of gender identity issues.
 
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Coxy

Member
Really hoping it's more like Persona 4. The pressure and depression of school system sounds decent enough. Better than the stupid secret society of robot scientists bullshit in P3 anyway.
 
M

Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
Honestly, curious as to what this means in regards to the underlying narrative of Persona/Shadows, if the 'pressure' comes from the school system itself.

Unless the teachers are under shadow influence, it seems like it would be a bit odd to mesh the two sides of the high school/dungeon-crawling narrative.

Also, would be nice to have a FemC option.
 
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