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Sega Forever: The nostalgia trip that could change the company's future
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Unfortunately Unity...
RumblingRosco
Member
Saw a friend link this on Facebook and I was psyched. Seemed like a great thing. But, the GAF posts here are really souring me on it. I think I'll give this a month or two to ferment and see if Sega can iron out the FPS issues. I don't mind heavy ads for a free product, but I do mind terrible FPS for 30 year old games that had solid FPS on hardware with 8 MB of RAM.
EDIT: Shit, the Master System only had 8 kB of RAM, not 8 MB.
EDIT: Shit, the Master System only had 8 kB of RAM, not 8 MB.
kimifan141
Member
I downloaded and played all the 5 games on my android phone, unlike others so far i had no issues running the games all of them ran nicely , what i did find though is the music is of rough quality , some of the sega clones i have produce better music.
All the games have a simple layout which makes it easy to play em , cloud saves only for free version and you get ads once in a while but they can be fast forwarded and closed off quickly.
Honestly though this unity method is better than the crappy one sega put out on steam in the recent update runs like crazy but has that good mod support.
Maybe these unity games have a high requirement but i did not face any slowdowns.
Device : Redmi note 3 32gb 3 gb ram snapdragon 650
Android : 6.1
I am expecting sega to roll out some saturn games and sega cd games on steam , specially the shining force series
All the games have a simple layout which makes it easy to play em , cloud saves only for free version and you get ads once in a while but they can be fast forwarded and closed off quickly.
Honestly though this unity method is better than the crappy one sega put out on steam in the recent update runs like crazy but has that good mod support.
Maybe these unity games have a high requirement but i did not face any slowdowns.
Device : Redmi note 3 32gb 3 gb ram snapdragon 650
Android : 6.1
I am expecting sega to roll out some saturn games and sega cd games on steam , specially the shining force series
Ben Morales
Member
So you can play Kid Chameleon with the on screen controls with no issues?! Or are you using a gamepad?
kimifan141
Member
I dont have a gamepad i was able to complete 3 levels quickly on the on screen controls. Since the game ran smoothly i had no issues but the terrible music quality made me turn off the game.
Retro Edge
Member
Played Sonic 1 now.
1. Menu is nice, razor sharp crisp native 1080p with cool game box and cartridges in 3D.
2. Only with internet playable. :/
3. Ingame does it not look like native resolution and the colors are dull, mehhh.
1. Menu is nice, razor sharp crisp native 1080p with cool game box and cartridges in 3D.
2. Only with internet playable. :/
3. Ingame does it not look like native resolution and the colors are dull, mehhh.
The Steam collection performs crappy? I've played a handful of games on there, with and without mods, and I haven't noticed any issues at all.
DataStream
Member
Srsly.
It's criminal they haven't put more effort into PDS. Even if its just emulated with some filtering and AA thrown on.
I still don't buy the "we can't find any backups of the assets" tale.
DeVeAn
Member
This. The idea is to get SEGA back in the limelight and help gauge what games people are interested in. Plus uniformity is a plus. I hope it pans out.
ForkNetwork
Banned
Isnt Saturn like, really hard to emulate?
polyh3dron
Banned
Backbone Entertainment always got to show their logo for their shitty emulation, and Christian Whitehead has his big logo splash opening up his Sonic ports.
Diablohead
Member
Played Sonic 1 now.
1. Menu is nice, razor sharp crisp native 1080p with cool game box and cartridges in 3D.
2. Only with internet playable. :/
3. Ingame does it not look like native resolution and the colors are dull, mehhh.
Have you played the taxman port before? the menu is all brand new and scales with your device but the game itself is just a widescreen version of the megadrive resolution which is something like 480 x 240 I forget exactly.
The now old taxman build also played offline and didn't have ads or extra splash screens while booting up, the now 'new' forever version is a step back in quality.
They really did it wrong by converting the current releases, all these forever sega versions should have been new releases.
I'm upset with their choices right now.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Martin Robinson from Eurogamer asked some key questions about Sega Forever to Mike Evans (Sega Networks' chief marketing officer): http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-06-26-sega-defends-sega-forever-launch-after-fan-outcry
Great interview, and really spot on questions. I hope I can also believe the answers from Sega.
Alternatively you have people who paid for the original game complain that their old, non-64 bit versions from 2010 aren't updated and how dare they make me pay twice.
Diablohead
Member
Something i've noticed, I own Sonic 1, 2 and CD on the amazon app store yet if I try to see my games to install, Sonic 1 is not there. I don't know if it's a device thing (I don't remember this being the case) or it was changed when the forever version came out on the google play store, either way it's annoying because 2 and CD install fine to my phone still.
I don't want this forever version of Sonic 1, sega, I want the original re-release without the fluff I paid for.
I forgot about that stuff since I moved back to android last year.
But there are better ways then taking an old version and bolting on tons of fluff with poor performance, that's not fixing an old release that's just cruel.
I don't want this forever version of Sonic 1, sega, I want the original re-release without the fluff I paid for.
I forgot about that stuff since I moved back to android last year.
But there are better ways then taking an old version and bolting on tons of fluff with poor performance, that's not fixing an old release that's just cruel.
Lynd7
Member
Good to know, never updating Sonic 1 now.
Do they really expect us to believe that they're going to do a full English translation to port an obscure Dreamcast game to mobile when they can't even get Genesis games working properly?...
Vorg
Banned
Yeah I really find it hard to believe.
Grim Patron
Member
Harlock
Member
I understand they don't wanna to use RetroArch for some corporation policy that hard to change. But do a good emulation in the place. Feels like the approach Sega had with AtGames, allowing your games to run poorly. I guess that even Nintendo used some GPL software in the Nes classic.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I expected a bit more honesty from Sega. EG are just saying what people are thinking, this guy is in denial.
UltimaWeapon
Member
I really want Phantasy Star II but I don't think I could bear playing it again without a "Fast-Forward" button/feature. I just remember it felt like forever trying to traverse the maps.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
So i played sonic for free with adds.
Not kidding those mobile game trailers are so fucking stupid that i felt insulted.
This one video about a girl with purple hair talking about how to play this dragon game.
And another person googling for the best trading app
With real stock scam shit
Who the hell plays these games..
Not kidding those mobile game trailers are so fucking stupid that i felt insulted.
This one video about a girl with purple hair talking about how to play this dragon game.
And another person googling for the best trading app
With real stock scam shit
Who the hell plays these games..
sechsterangriff
Member
...
Riiiiight. These guys don't even have the budget to do proper testing on Mega Drive emulation. He's clearly just spitting something he knows fans want to listen.
moltonasty
Member
So much PR nonsense in that interview. Great questions on EG's part tho.
lol, Trump-esque shit right here
lol, Trump-esque shit right here
Segagaga... I want to believe...
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Free trash is still trash.
Radius4
Member
LOL the GPL excuse and the fragmentation excuse are golden.
So Comix Zone is slow because fragmentation... o...ok but I have a Galaxy S7 and it stutters
Ben Morales
Member
Love how they keep talking like Dreamcast and Saturn games are going to eventually come out. This is already nearly dead on arrival. I have no faith in Sega to even continue releasing games after about a month or two. I hope they prove me wrong but oh my goodness these games run bad.
Picked up a bluetooth controller for Android to see if it would help, and the short answer is no it doesn't. Altered Beast seems to recognize the controller in the wrapper menu, but once the game starts proper it's like "lol fuck ur controller!11"
Kid Chameleon recognizes it, but I can't configure the buttons of course and the input lag increases dramatically.
Going to wait a couple weeks for an update before I uninstall this trash.
Picked up a bluetooth controller for Android to see if it would help, and the short answer is no it doesn't. Altered Beast seems to recognize the controller in the wrapper menu, but once the game starts proper it's like "lol fuck ur controller!11"
Kid Chameleon recognizes it, but I can't configure the buttons of course and the input lag increases dramatically.
Going to wait a couple weeks for an update before I uninstall this trash.
Radius4, I personally think filth like you, writing spyware infested virus emulators should be banned from internet. /s
Honestly though, you guys are amazing. Keep up the good work and don't let corporate get to you
Sega couldn't care less of their own legacy.
It's just a way to earn a quick buck.
Fox Mulder
Member
that's people's problem. Sega doesnt give a shit. They've licensed out their name and games to shitty plug and play boxes for years.
gingerbeardman
Member
I wonder how long that licence was for? Maybe that's why they're not bringing out a decent MegaDrive Mini box of their own?
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I owned Phantasy Star 2 before it got delisted and now I get it ad free with no additional cost, just a quick activation. I'm only worried about them dropping support and the app goes away period because they added the GUI bells and whistles for ad based f2p models.
I paid for this a while back and it was stuck at being a 32-bit game even though it still worked.
I paid for this a while back and it was stuck at being a 32-bit game even though it still worked.
IrishNinja
Member
jesus christ, if i can finally play this localized i'll be bummed it's not on a DC, but after all these years i'll take it
allenpergallon
Member
Well that's one way to downplay legitimate and apparently widespread issues with emulation. Though if it actually leads to them improving the quality of emulation then in the end it's not all bad....but yeesh.
Namedropping Segagaga in the context of minority critical feedback vs majority praise through the Store feedback seems a bit shady considering that title is probably more anticipated by that worried minority. If they actually manage to make it happen though, then even if it's only mobile for now, all is right in the world.
If it gets released on anything, you can bet your arse people will work out a way to port those translations to the DC version.
Soul of the Beast
Member
Never forget.
(It's Segata Sanshiro)
(It's Segata Sanshiro)
I just downloaded Kid Chameleon to see how bad this emulation was for myself and, uh... what the hell? Not since Mega Man 1-6 have I seen retro mobile ports botched this badly. Even trying to time a jump on the first enemy is a gamble thanks to the awful performance. And they're actually going to suggest that "for the vast majority of fans it's solid"? If your game runs worse in 2017 than it did on vastly inferior hardware in 1992 I think it's safe to say absolutely no one finds it "solid".
Set my copy of Sonic 1 to "disable auto-updates" just in case. Can't wait to play Segagaga at sub-20 FPS (only $2 to remove ads and increase performance by 7 FPS! Best deal!!).
Set my copy of Sonic 1 to "disable auto-updates" just in case. Can't wait to play Segagaga at sub-20 FPS (only $2 to remove ads and increase performance by 7 FPS! Best deal!!).
If you think people who can't emulate a single 68000@7.6 MHz with a pretty simple GPU and a basic SPU at native speed on a 2017 smartphone are able to handle Saturn at anything above 1 fpm, I have a bridge to sell to you.
Only kidding of course, I'll be shocked if we end up seeing any Saturn/Dreamcast games appear as part of this initiative at all (aside from maybe rebranding already ported games like Chu Chu Rocket and Jet Set Radio).
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Holy shit, I haven't seen the spyware quote. That's funny because the sega forever games are full of tracking services. The great store feedback also seems weird, when Sonic 1 sits at 2 stars.
miller.skippins
Banned
back to the drawing board if sega actually care. I don't foresee this to last even a quarter going by the current quality and the reception it's getting.
@ShenmueGuru
Member
They replied to someone on Twitter saying,
"Were a touch busy watching #Wimbledon at the moment... but well have a new title ready for you this coming week!"
So it's a safe to say it will be Virtua Tennis or something like that.
"Were a touch busy watching #Wimbledon at the moment... but well have a new title ready for you this coming week!"
So it's a safe to say it will be Virtua Tennis or something like that.
KormaChameleon
Member
Comix Zone runs horrible on a Sony Z5... The sound is horrible and there are some major input latency with controls.
Just best off getting a good emulator for ya phone and then play it that way.
Just best off getting a good emulator for ya phone and then play it that way.