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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia

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mo60

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So fake news made it to Alberta and white people started protesting at a high school believing students were enacting sharia law on each other? At least I can take solace from the fact that we're as stupid as America.

I saw right wing trolls popping up earlier today on twitter and they were trying to slander a calgary politician running for a city council seat. Like someone found a kijiji ad like a day ago advertising some social media campaign related to the calgary municipal election and in this ad they were looking for conservative leaning supporters.

That calgary politician is this politician.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ria-de-medici-restaurant-kensington-1.4127870
 
what's up with the pevalance of MAGA hats in Alberta?

Don't you remember this?

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gabbo

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So fake news made it to Alberta and white people started protesting at a high school believing students were enacting sharia law on each other? At least I can take solace from the fact that we're as stupid as America.
How would they even begin going about enacting that? We really are just better at hiding this kind of BS than our neighbours below the 49th.
 

CazTGG

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So fake news made it to Alberta and white people started protesting at a high school believing students were enacting sharia law on each other? At least I can take solace from the fact that we're as stupid as America.

Moreso that we don't like to talk about structural bias, which may be why we like to discuss the issues the U.S.A. has rather than look at our own.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Moreso that we don't like to talk about structural bias, which may be why we like to discuss the issues the U.S.A. has rather than look at our own.
The constant flare ups about the Toronto police and Pride attest to that.

How would they even begin going about enacting that? We really are just better at hiding this kind of BS than our neighbours below the 49th.
I guess they think students just unofficially decided that everyone should follow sharia law at school. Because that makes sense. lol
 

Tiktaalik

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BC Liberals denied majority as final election count leaves government in danger

The BC Liberals have been denied a majority after the final count of ballots from the May 9 election, setting the stage for a possible confrontation in the legislature that could end the government of Premier Christy Clark and elevate the New Democrats to power.

After winning 43 seats on election night – one shy of a majority – the Liberals hoped to capture at least one additional riding when absentee ballots were counted and added to the results this week. Instead, the most closely watched riding, Courtenay-Comox on Vancouver Island, remained with the New Democrats, who increased their margin of victory from nine votes on election night to 189.

That means the Liberals will need the support of the third-place Green Party, which has three seats and holds the balance of power, to remain in government. Progressive advocacy groups are urging Green Leader Andrew Weaver to abandon the Liberals in favour of the New Democrats. NDP Leader John Horgan would likely be given a chance to form a government if Ms. Clark's party is defeated in the legislature.

Either party could still apply for a judicial recount in the coming week. However, the NDP lead in Courtenay-Comox is now wide enough that such a recount would not be not automatic.

The final tally gave the Liberals 40.36 per cent of the popular vote and 43 seats, while the New Democrats captured 40.28 per cent of the vote and won 41 seats. The Greens had a historic breakthrough with 16.84 per cent of the vote and three seats – tripling their representation in the legislature.

The Liberals finished with just 1,566 more votes than the New Democrats.

NDP Leader John Horgan said British Columbians voted for a new government. He downplayed the Liberals' lead in the popular vote, which he said was so close it was basically a "coin toss," and he noted — as he has many times over the past two weeks – that most voters did not choose the Liberals.

"Christy Clark's Liberals came up short and after 16 years, it's time for a new government," he told reporters.

Mr. Horgan said he was optimistic his party would be able to come to an agreement with the Greens, who he noted have common ground with the New Democrats on issues such as electoral reform.

In a statement issued shortly before the results were announced, Ms. Clark acknowledged her party came up short of a majority.

"With 43 BC Liberal candidates elected as MLAs, and a plurality in the legislature, we have a responsibility to move forward and form a government," the statement said.

"The final result reinforces that British Columbians want us to work together, across party lines, to get things done for them."

Mr. Weaver said he hoped to make a decision about how the Greens would approach the minority legislature by next Wednesday, or possibly sooner. He said he's working in good faith to hear out both the Liberals and the New Democrats, saying "it's all on the table."

"We're working with other parties to see where we can find commonalities, where compromises exist," he told reporters in Victoria. "We believe we need to give British Columbians certainty."

Even before the final results were announced, the Liberals and the New Democrats had dispatched teams of negotiators to meet with the Greens. Mr. Weaver has set out three "deal breakers" that include official party status, campaign finance reform and proportional representation, although other issues, including the party's opposition to several Liberal resource priorities, would likely also factor into such talks.

Those bargaining sessions are expected to intensify now that the final count, which added 179,000 absentee, mail-in and other special ballots to the results, is complete.

The Liberals are expected to table a revised budget as early as next month. The fiscal plan is a confidence vote, meaning the Liberal government would fall if the party has not brought Mr. Weaver on side by then.

The New Democrats have won only three elections in B.C.: first in 1972, and then again in 1991 and 1996. In the 1996, the party won a majority government despite losing the popular vote.

The province last elected a minority government in 1952. W.A.C. Bennett's Social Credit government fell the next year and regained its majority in the subsequent election.

The outcome favours the NDP, but the BC Liberals are going to try to make things work with the Greens.

Things are about to get even more interesting in BC.
 

Vibranium

Banned
Fantastic news, so happy things worked out. In other news there was a protest over this weekend at the BC legislature in Victoria with NDP, Green and union supporters to try to convince Weaver to make a deal to strike down Christy Clark. I know things are more in the Liberals' favour but I still have a sliver of hope that Horgan can try to convince him.

Weaver has a chance to swing more left-wing voters to his side in the future if he does the right thing and ends 16 years of Liberal rule.
 

SRG01

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what's up with the pevalance of MAGA hats in Alberta?

I once had a mutual like on Tinder, but was aghast when her IG had MAGA hats unironically :(

I saw right wing trolls popping up earlier today on twitter and they were trying to slander a calgary politician running for a city council seat. Like someone found a kijiji ad like a day ago advertising some social media campaign related to the calgary municipal election and in this ad they were looking for conservative leaning supporters.

That calgary politician is this politician.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ria-de-medici-restaurant-kensington-1.4127870

Oh, related to that, this just popped up on CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/fake-facebook-accounts-calgary-alberta-politics-1.4128312 Apparently there's fake FB accounts targeting her.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Wow, Peter Mansbridge is retiring in a month? I've been so checked out I had no idea.
It's going to be so be weird watching CBC without him.
 

sikkinixx

Member
Happy about the election results.

Though I don't like Weaver one bit. I know he has to be cagey about things given his (outsized) role but he comes across as doing what's best for his party over the prvince. I feel like he is gonna saddle up with Christy as she'll cut him the best deal. NDP don't wanna lose more voters to him. It'll be interesting if the Site C and pipeline get done with him in charge though.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Happy about the election results.

Though I don't like Weaver one bit. I know he has to be cagey about things given his (outsized) role but he comes across as doing what's best for his party over the prvince. I feel like he is gonna saddle up with Christy as she'll cut him the best deal. NDP don't wanna lose more voters to him. It'll be interesting if the Site C and pipeline get done with him in charge though.
It'll be like the Nick Clegg situation - hope you can eventually replace Labour as the mainstream opposition party, so team up with the Tories. Enemy of my Enemy thinking.
I guess the question is whether BC voters will accept that undermining the NDP now by supporting the Liberals will mean a stronger Green party in the future.
 
I think the Greens support Clark (for at least a little while) in part because they want to ultimately displace the NDP, but also because of financials. I don't know what kind of shape they're in, but I'm assuming that they spent more in this past election than they ever had before, and that, consequently, if they're not broke, they're at least close to it. Backing the Liberals for a set period of time means they can replenish their coffers and be prepared for the next election. Backing the NDP means there'll probably be another election very, very soon -- like, within the year, seeing as NDP + Greens would only be tied with the Liberals after a Speaker is elected -- and I have my doubts that they can afford it. Obviously that's a bit of a factor for the other two parties too, but not nearly as big, since under BC's lax electoral financing laws, the Liberals and NDP can rely on corporate and union donations. Do the Greens have that that base of guaranteed money?


In totally unrelated news, if Bernier wins the CPC leadership on Saturday, I guarantee we'll be seeing a lot more about this for the next two years: Could Maxime Bernier kill universal health care?

Maxime Bernier’s proposal to end federal transfer payments to provinces to help fund health services would make the Canada Health Act “unenforceable,” says a spokesman for his front-running campaign for the Conservative Party of Canada’s leadership—which means the fate of universal care would rest entirely in the hands of provincial governments.

Chong has been blunt in his criticism of Bernier’s health policy. “By eliminating the federal health transfer, and proposing to do a one time tax-point transfer from the federal government to the provinces, he’s effectively eliminating the Canada Health Act,” Chong said in an interview late last month. “And the five guiding principles of the Canada Health Act ensure our public, national health care system. So that is an extreme policy that I think will hand the Liberals the next election.”

I think Chong pretty much nails it. It's like Bernier decided that fighting the next election against farmers over supply management wouldn't be challenging enough, so he's going to take on every single provide, plus everyone who's opposed to the idea of privatized healthcare. I just can't see this ending well for him.
 
AB here, and I'd like to affirm that we are the Canadian version of the southern states. I've even seen the Confederate flag on trucks here... Trucks with AB license plates :/

Now that we are getting a united conservative party, there's a strong possibility here that we'll be receiving regressive policies once the NDP are voted out
 

Tiktaalik

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I think the Greens support Clark (for at least a little while) in part because they want to ultimately displace the NDP, but also because of financials. I don't know what kind of shape they're in, but I'm assuming that they spent more in this past election than they ever had before, and that, consequently, if they're not broke, they're at least close to it. Backing the Liberals for a set period of time means they can replenish their coffers and be prepared for the next election. Backing the NDP means there'll probably be another election very, very soon -- like, within the year, seeing as NDP + Greens would only be tied with the Liberals after a Speaker is elected -- and I have my doubts that they can afford it. Obviously that's a bit of a factor for the other two parties too, but not nearly as big, since under BC's lax electoral financing laws, the Liberals and NDP can rely on corporate and union donations. Do the Greens have that that base of guaranteed money?

Finances are a great point to raise though I think there are potential risks for the NDP and Greens' financial situation in any scenario here.

The Greens supporting just the Liberal throne speech then sitting on the sidelines is a likely outcome, and it could be possible in such an outcome for the Liberals to stall for time, do very little (perhaps not even sit that often) and meanwhile fund raise for the next election like crazy. Stephen Harper showed that even in an environment with no corporate and union donations, it's possible to raise a lot of money from a base of solid supporters. I'm sure that this recent close call of the socialists almost getting into government will get conservative supporters to open their wallets.

Campaign finance was a major issue for the BC Liberals in this election. Assuming that union and corporate donations are ended in exchange for Green support, in the next election it will almost certainly be off the table as an issue and the Liberals will not be hindered by it. That places them in a much better situation to win another majority.

The fact that the BC Greens didn't take any money from corporations or unions was a savvy election gambit but they are no angels, and they worked within the "wild west" system in other ways. It came to light after the election that they were soliciting five figure donations from individual corporate CEOs. This is of course what the BC Liberals have been regularly doing for years.
 

gabbo

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In totally unrelated news, if Bernier wins the CPC leadership on Saturday, I guarantee we'll be seeing a lot more about this for the next two years: Could Maxime Bernier kill universal health care?

I think Chong pretty much nails it. It's like Bernier decided that fighting the next election against farmers over supply management wouldn't be challenging enough, so he's going to take on every single provide, plus everyone who's opposed to the idea of privatized healthcare. I just can't see this ending well for him.

Bernier learned nothing from Harper here, thankfully. If he wants to dismantle our health care system all in one go, good luck to him. He'll see the CPC wiped off the map.
 

CazTGG

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In totally unrelated news, if Bernier wins the CPC leadership on Saturday, I guarantee we'll be seeing a lot more about this for the next two years: Could Maxime Bernier kill universal health care?

Apparently Bernier didn't just leave classified documents at his girlfriend's place, he also forgot to pick up his brain too. I hesitate to say that this would make the CPC unelectable since the Reform Party had that as a key part of their platform (among many similar policies in regards to immigration and trade) and they became the leading right-wing party of the 90s, but I would like to think that even the aging boomer population that makes up the bulk of their base would be opposed to such a proposal.
 
Apparently Bernier didn't just leave classified documents at his girlfriend's place, he also forgot to pick up his brain too. I hesitate to say that this would make the CPC unelectable since the Reform Party had that as a key part of their platform (among many similar policies in regards to immigration and trade) and they became the leading right-wing party of the 90s, but I would like to think that even the aging boomer population that makes up the bulk of their base would be opposed to such a proposal.

They also never got elected, so there's that.
 

Vibranium

Banned
Bernier isn't getting elected next election if he wins, I'm confident. Personal guess is Liberal minority government and that's probably a good thing.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Bernier learned nothing from Harper here, thankfully. If he wants to dismantle our health care system all in one go, good luck to him. He'll see the CPC wiped off the map.
Why should the federal government hold provinces hostage over health care? Provinces should be able to finance their own healthcare. This will actually help him to win seats, in QC at least. The feds shouldn't have a say in health financing as its not their responsability.
 
Finances are a great point to raise though I think there are potential risks for the NDP and Greens' financial situation in any scenario here.

The Greens supporting just the Liberal throne speech then sitting on the sidelines is a likely outcome, and it could be possible in such an outcome for the Liberals to stall for time, do very little (perhaps not even sit that often) and meanwhile fund raise for the next election like crazy. Stephen Harper showed that even in an environment with no corporate and union donations, it's possible to raise a lot of money from a base of solid supporters. I'm sure that this recent close call of the socialists almost getting into government will get conservative supporters to open their wallets.

Campaign finance was a major issue for the BC Liberals in this election. Assuming that union and corporate donations are ended in exchange for Green support, in the next election it will almost certainly be off the table as an issue and the Liberals will not be hindered by it. That places them in a much better situation to win another majority.

This is exactly what I'm thinking happens. The BC Liberals ban corporate and union donations effective January 1, 2018, giving them six months to fundraise like crazy. The Greens get to say that they got big money out of politics. They go back to the voters a year from now -- with, as you note, one of the biggest issues off the table -- and suddenly it's a much more favourable environment for the Liberals, and Weaver doesn't get Clegged.

The NDP, of course, get screwed.

Apparently Bernier didn't just leave classified documents at his girlfriend's place, he also forgot to pick up his brain too. I hesitate to say that this would make the CPC unelectable since the Reform Party had that as a key part of their platform (among many similar policies in regards to immigration and trade) and they became the leading right-wing party of the 90s, but I would like to think that even the aging boomer population that makes up the bulk of their base would be opposed to such a proposal.

Remember: the Reform Party was significantly hurt by the *hint* that Stockwell Day wanted to privatize health care. That's why he held up a sign during the 2000 debates saying "No 2-tier Healthcare". It still took them a few elections, a merger/takeover, and a new leader to get over that suspicion.

Here you have a leader who explicitly wants to bring in private health care, and he wants to do it at a time when Canada's population is older and his party is even more reliant on seniors than in 2000.

Bernier isn't getting elected next election if he wins, I'm confident. Personal guess is Liberal minority government and that's probably a good thing.

If Bernier wins the leadership and the election is all about him wanting to kill healthcare and end dairy farmers, I think the CPC get destroyed.

The CPC's best bet is for the next election to be a referendum on the government, not on them, because referenda on opposition parties seldom turn out well. They also need a strong NDP turnout, because a strong NDP weakens the Liberals. Bernier turns the election into a referendum on his libertarianism, and he scares NDP voters over to the Liberals.

so it Sunday that CPC picks their clown in chief?

Saturday. They haven't said how they're revealing the winner yet. Presumably they go ballot by ballot, but with so many candidates that will take awhile -- whereas traditional conventions allowed for also-rans to drop off whenever they wanted, this way there won't be that option. That means one round for O'Leary, one for Saxton, one for Obhrai, etc., and even when they're gone, that'll only be about 5 points redistributed. They'll know the winner as soon as the voting closes, but they'll still be trying to milk it for maximum drama.
 

CazTGG

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so it Sunday that CPC picks their clown in chief?

Short of Leitch calling the results the concoction of biased Liberal elites and demanding a recount, the vote should be decided by the end of Saturday, the 27th.

Remember: the Reform Party was significantly hurt by the *hint* that Stockwell Day wanted to privatize health care. That's why he held up a sign during the 2000 debates saying "No 2-tier Healthcare". It still took them a few elections, a merger/takeover, and a new leader to get over that suspicion.

Here you have a leader who explicitly wants to bring in private health care, and he wants to do it at a time when Canada's population is older and his party is even more reliant on seniors than in 2000.

Fair point, though it's still worth noting that the Reform Party and Canadian Alliance overtook the far more moderate Progressive Conservatives. They demonstrated there is a base who will vote for on in spite of those regressive policies, potentially even a larger one given that there's no right-wing split like there was in the pre-CPC days. Again, i'd like to believe even the aging boomer population that make up the bulk of their base would reject Mr. Gold Standard but i've been wrong about people not voting against their interests before.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
So fake news made it to Alberta and white people started protesting at a high school believing students were enacting sharia law on each other? At least I can take solace from the fact that we're as stupid as America.

Nah, that shit got stomped quick. The community in Red Deer refused to stand for that crap.
 

Sean C

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Fair point, though it's still worth noting that the Reform Party and Canadian Alliance overtook the far more moderate Progressive Conservatives. They demonstrated there is a base who will vote for on in spite of those regressive policies, potentially even a larger one given that there's no right-wing split like there was in the pre-CPC days. Again, i'd like to believe even the aging boomer population that make up the bulk of their base would reject Mr. Gold Standard but i've been wrong about people not voting against their interests before.
The Tory base won't be going anywhere, but the Tory base alone isn't enough to win elections.
 

CazTGG

Member
The Tory base won't be going anywhere, but the Tory base alone isn't enough to win elections.

Depending on people's apathy and voter split between the NDP and Liberal Party come next election, that might be just enough.

On an unrelated note, I thought this was interesting: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...sidential-school-testimonies/article35120635/

The federal government and the centre created to preserve the memory of Canada’s residential schools are asking the Supreme Court to rule that the intimate and heart-wrenching tales of abuse recounted by survivors in closed-door compensation hearings should be preserved in national archives.

They urged the top court on Thursday to overturn the Ontario Court of Appeal ruling that documents related to the hearings held under the Independent Assessment Process (IAP) should be maintained for 15 years and then destroyed unless the claimants explicitly agree that the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation (NCTR) in Winnipeg should have them.

Justice Department lawyers argued that federal privacy, access and archive legislation demands the documents be saved.

With the current makeup of the court, it seems likely they'd rule in favor of preserving these documents for future generations to remember. I know McLachlin has spoken up about the cultural genocide that was residential schools, though i'm not sure if anyone else on the court has.
 

Tiktaalik

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This is exactly what I'm thinking happens. The BC Liberals ban corporate and union donations effective January 1, 2018, giving them six months to fundraise like crazy. The Greens get to say that they got big money out of politics. They go back to the voters a year from now -- with, as you note, one of the biggest issues off the table -- and suddenly it's a much more favourable environment for the Liberals, and Weaver doesn't get Clegged.

The NDP, of course, get screwed.

It's very tough to say what will happen to Green support if they prop up the Liberals. Personally I know people that would never vote Green again if they don't ally with the NDP and I know of other left leaning Federal Liberals that voted Green but would never vote NDP.

I saw an estimation based on polling and results that Green support is probably about 1/3rd left leaning BC Liberal and 2/3rds NDP leaning. From the results we have it appears that as much as hardcore NDP supporters whined about Greens splitting the left of centre vote, NDP voters were awfully loyal and it was in fact BC Liberal voters that either stayed home or drifted to the Greens. In a situation where campaign finance is resolved, I think there's a potential that left leaning Liberals may drift back to the BC Liberals from the Greens and in fact the Greens may be the ones that have the most risk of losing ground in the next election, not the NDP.

In general the reason why the election went badly for the Liberals is very obvious from the rural/urban split. The BC Liberals have treated Metro Vancouver like garbage for four years and this election result was the outcome. The BC Liberals can easily fix this by dumping goodies on Metro Vancouver ridings, so it's in the NDP and Greens' best interests to not give the Liberals the opportunity to fix that problem.
 

Sean C

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Depending on people's apathy and voter split between the NDP and Liberal Party come next election, that might be just enough.
No party's base is enough on its own, even if the NDP suddenly reverted to 2011 levels of strength, which there's no real reason to expect will happen.

With the current makeup of the court, it seems likely they'd rule in favor of preserving these documents for future generations to remember. I know McLachlin has spoken up about the cultural genocide that was residential schools, though i'm not sure if anyone else on the court has.
The testimony in those documents was given under a promise of confidentiality. I can't imagine the Supreme Court is going to reverse the Court of Appeal's finding, which simply stated that the people would have to give explicit permission for their records to be stored.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Nah, that shit got stomped quick. The community in Red Deer refused to stand for that crap.
What happened to the protestors? The CBC story just said no one agreed to anything. lol

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Also, I just realized that the Conservative leadership convention is a scam in that it's already decided. The idea of stretching it out to two days is just an airtime grab, since it's a ranked ballot. It's not like there's going to be backroom haggling and deal making like a normal convention. lol
 
Also, I just realized that the Conservative leadership convention is a scam in that it's already decided. The idea of stretching it out to two days is just an airtime grab, since it's a ranked ballot. It's not like there's going to be backroom haggling and deal making like a normal convention. lol

so Sheer is the next CPC leader
 

antibolo

Banned
I absolutely don't want Bernier to win. I don't want him and his shit libertarian ideas to get anywhere close to a potential shot at becoming our PM, even if he'll probably just lose, I don't want him to even get that opportunity.

A few weeks ago I was reading this article in La Presse about how he's so loved by Calgary bigwigs and it made me physically sick.

Furthermore why is that shithead even still in politics anyway, after that whole Hell's Angels controversy so long ago.
 

Pedrito

Member
Leaders and parties come and go, but you can always expect the separatists to tear each other appart. They have the same purity tests problem the left has.
 

Vamphuntr

Member
Lisée is playing a loser's game by attacking the smaller party that polls in the teens instead of the incumbent party.

That's what his hardcore base wants. They've always hated QS so now they need to vent because they're starting to realize that without an alliance they are done for. Now that he has lost the left completely he'll try to seduce the right and nationalist fleeing to the CAQ. Prepare yourself for more insane ideas soon.

also : https://twitter.com/_LouisT/status/866807594303860737

rough translation for the others : "If someone asks if you wanna get married and you say no, and then they spend the day insulting you... you made the right choice"

Pretty much. They made the right choice.
 
That's what his hardcore base wants. They've always hated QS so now they need to vent because they're starting to realize that without an alliance they are done for. Now that he has lost the left completely he'll try to seduce the right and nationalist fleeing to the CAQ. Prepare yourself for more insane ideas soon.



Pretty much. They made the right choice.
oh boy, incoming nationalism battle rap between Legault vs Lisée LOL
 
Now that he has lost the left completely he'll try to seduce the right and nationalist fleeing to the CAQ. Prepare yourself for more insane ideas soon.

This is the real shit here.

In other subjects, I finally saw Bon Cop Bad Cop 2 last night. It's much better than the first film!
 

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