Fine by me regarding those who rely more on the sexy and provocative approach.
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Patreon updates Terms of Service to clamp down on adult content
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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Iva Demilcol
Member
I don't pay anyone to make R-18 pictures of Pikachu so I don't have more details about that (I don't even support people on Patreon either), all I know is that this site exists and that many Japanese artists are uploading their stuff there. That's why I said it's an option that will be more attractive now. And if you asked me they should take advantage of this opportunity and expand like Pixiv did a few years ago.
Looking over the top 200, 25%(50 exactly) are NSFW. Quick scan over the next few hundred, seem to stick around there, but go up slightly.
Generalpsyduck
Banned
Sounds like they are trying to sell the site.
i mean, do you honestly care if thats what i look at even? why should anyone care about artists making that content, its not like they are forcing you to consume it. obviously keep it off publicly viewable spaces but it seems like more than that
Trickster
Member
Sure, for now. And what happens when someone comes along that offers the same service as patreon, but targeted specifically at adult content makers.
It's a what if scenario for now, but I would say it's one with a high probablity
But doesn't this straight up ban any adult website or video creators using it, not just that other yuck?
Thanks for the explanation. I guess i don't have to worry about my favs then.
Tho yea, certain erotic art can be up to interpretation, that's really something they have to figure out with clear guidelines so nobody will be in with a suspended account from one day to the next
(basically) All porn is "fiction".
I assume they use the good all "You just know it when you see it" to identify porn.
Because you could definitely use the argument for gratuitous, titillating etc etc, to describe the sexual contents of Game of Thrones (as an example).
Not saying there's no separation between that and Brazzers, but the line is not always going to be that clear.
If i was an artist making Berserk, would that fly? What about Golden Boy? Is that art or pornography?
anyway, as others stated, someone creating a Porntreon is the most obvious solution.
But why?
They're not doing anything that needs to be shut down. No one is being harmed.
It feels spiteful and puritanical in a bad way.
I'm not sure either. Would it somehow be more okay if she gave the nsfw versions away for free?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Then they'll still have SFW creators. Patreon isn't solely for NSFW material. And it's sorta the main site, when stuff like this happens you always hear about possible replacements now being likely and those replacements rarely work out or make anywhere near as much.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Prudes.
LordOfLore
Banned
It's not "fiction". It's "fiction(al stories that are already R rated like )GoT and Lolita" it seems.
Lol.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
This would be ideal.
Please explain your thought
Stone Ocean
Member
"Porn is bad mmkay"
Why?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Child porn certainly is.
No one in this thread is arguing that it isn't. We're arguing with people that want all adult content removed completely.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yes, and I don't think anyone sane will disagree. Doesn't mean all porn needs to be banned alongside it.
Maintenance
Member
Are you kidding me? What a bunch of idiots.
Waiting for response then. I was going to "subscribe" to her lol.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea don't agree that all porn should be banned.
Mechanized
Member
Imagine if VHS could/would have blocked the sale of porn back in the day. We'd remember Betamax more fondly now and VHS would be the loser of the war.
This is really short-sighted. Someone will come along and make a killing off this and Patreon will lose out big time.
This is really short-sighted. Someone will come along and make a killing off this and Patreon will lose out big time.
A parody is different from "here's a drawing of Wonder Woman", whether Wonder Woman is naked or not. There's no transformative aspect to most fan art, and so it wouldn't be considered a parody under US or European copyright law.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
What is a "Twitch Trick"? Asking for a friend.
I thought the same thing, or just got some funding from someone really not down with the adult content.
Right, but i'm wondering how they're going to draw the line.
Many pieces of art represent touchy material (not just sexual, either) in different ways, and not always easy to determine what people will and will not find acceptable.
As i said, something like Golden Boy or Berserk or similar mangas, aren't all that easy to place.
They're certainly questionable, but not outright pornography.
I understand that having a furry porn game as one of your top earners, doesn't paint the most glamorous image for your service, but i think this could lead to a lot of confusion, with gray area examples.
Good luck to them enforcing this, though.
What's so transformative about a porn movie, that isn't about a porn drawing? Genuine question.
This fucking disturbingly regressing looking at the full terms.
The fact that Patreon priority is on attacking porn instead of banning the alt-right fuckshits whose content is nothing but hate speech and harassment campaigns, Patreon can fuck the hell off.
The fact that Patreon priority is on attacking porn instead of banning the alt-right fuckshits whose content is nothing but hate speech and harassment campaigns, Patreon can fuck the hell off.
That was already against the terms. Nothing changed on that end.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Twitch already exists
I'm very far away from being a prude, heck I find being a prude ridiculous, but it's not hard to see people are exploiting sex (or the illusion of it) and simply using cosplay as a means to grow an audience that will happily (sadly in my opinion) hand over their money, it's the reason I don't like people like Jessica Nigri, but I realize I'm in the minority here.
they did ban that moron that tried to stop immigrant boats, IIRC.
why is it any of your business what people do with their money, tho? That's pretty patronizing of you.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm legitimately confused who you think the exploited party is here
That's only because there was evidence of them actively causing harm, though.
Maintenance
Member
It's an evolution of "Won't somebody think of the children".
how dare they model for money
BetterThanNothing
Member
Really, if this isn't already a thing, that's a massive amount of demand left...unsatisfied.
Wish I had the balls
Stone Ocean
Member
If people feel like thats worth their money, thats their problem. Not feeling like a thing is worth it isn't a reason to ban shit.
And I realize it sounds patronizing, which is why I hardly comment in this kind of topics. If anything, I agree it should be flagged as mature content, not outright banned because that would be going too far.
The party handing over their money, of course.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean it simply doesn't make sense. If you're paying money to wack it, you're not being exploited, you're just spending money on something you like. Nobody is forcing you to spend money on sex-related things unless you have some kind of serious impulse control issue that's beyond the scope of Patreon or whatever service is used for camming these days.
It's exploitative in the sense that literally every transaction that occurs in the world is exploitative.
It's exploitative in the sense that literally every transaction that occurs in the world is exploitative.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I agree this is pretty fucked.
In the case of cosplay, that's basically people doing what they want with their money.
radios shipping overview
Member
I think there's some kind of cosplay hipsterism going on here