Originally Posted by jdstorm
1. Who are the Kings getting? Who are they paying 40 million dollars that makes them instant contenders? Paul Millsap paying him would be about as bad as the Hawks paying 100 year old Iso Joe in 2010. The reality is NO MAX PLAYER IS GOING TO GO TO MINESOTTA and planning for that eventuality at the cost of getting a good affordable player is stupid.
2.Jonas last season was a better rim protector then Towns. Check the stats.
Jonas would only be useful situationally, but they are situations that will arise in the playoffs. Why not plan ahead?
3.Invalidating a trade that actually happened as being implausible is stupid.
3a. The Kings were involved in my second trade so you cant invalidate their involvement.
3b. OKC did that exact same deal for Serge Ibaka. Toronto even offered the reverse (Ross and pick 9) its a common deal type.
4.if Temple is your leader you arent going far
4a. Speculation on Gay's contract situation is a waste of time since you have no idea what he will or will not do.
4b. Ben McClemmore is a RFA and is likely going to stay should Aflalo and or Tyreeke not want to stay. Which still gives you a roster surplus. Unless you think Temple can play PF consistently
4c.Sacramento don't have an on contract PG and they arent a free agent destination. Every option they have availiable is either Old and wanting a big deal or Trash and wanting a big deal. Joseph is a risk mitigation stratergy. He's cool with being the backup and he's good at it.
5. Maybe don't critique my logic as invalid and then suggest Sacramento and Minnesota as Free Agent Destinations when almost every single team has cap space.
1. You mean who are the Wolves getting? It doesn't matter if no max player ends up going to Minnesota either way. Your trade is shitty, it remains shitty. The point is they'd rather get someone like a Paul Millsap than a Jonas in terms of fit and style. They could trade for Jonas and still pursue a Millsap by the way, so they can do both if they want without involving Pek etc. The point is Minnesota has flexibility for this offseason and next before things tighten up or they have to decide to move different directions with core pieces.
2. Jonas beating a rookie in terms of rim protection would be the accepted norm. Last year, Jonas averaged 1.8 BPG (per 36) and had a BLK% of 4.2. Towns had a block percentage of 4.3 and and averaged 1.9 BPG. I could go and look up their contested numbers at NBA.com to maybe see where you think Jonas was the better rim protector, but since you're not even going far enough to say which "stats" prove your point, I'm making more effort than you as is here. And nothing changes the fact that Jonas is in no way a rim protector. At least, you're now accepting that Jonas is only useful in some situations, but how about the Wolves get to the Playoffs first before trying to fit bad-fitting pieces into their core. There's zero argument you made, beyond other West teams have some bigs, that shows how Jonas and Towns make any sense together. The Wolves have struggled with spacing this entire era, how does Jonas help that? How does Jonas help their pick and roll defense? You're not making logical sense.
3. No, you saying "well the Kings did this so my trade seems logical" is stupid. Buddy Hield was drafted after Dunn, and by all accounts Vivek wanted to have his children. Boogie was awaiting a massive payday. Nothing about those two elements shows how a Kris Dunn/Jonas swap with extra pieces involved is the same thing. There's nuance to trades and what people want. A Boogie situation was wholly unique. And the Kings are wholly unique with their fuckery. (PS, if Jonas was such a solid rim protector why did the Raptors go get Ibaka for a mid-20s pick and Ross?) Jonas is not Ibaka btw, or Boogie. He doesn't have the same value as he sucks much worse than them. Boogie has the Jonas weaknesses, but he's considered a million times the offensive player Jonas is.
4. No crap, the Kings aren't going far. Doesn't mean you just pretend their whole "locker room" focus thing is meaningless. They seem to want Temple around the young guys. I'm actually following what teams are saying publicly to inform what I say here, rather than just make up awful trades and prove how this gets the Raptors to contention as long as "luck" is on their side.
4a. Cool man, so maybe don't assume Gay's on the team then? You wrote it like it's a foregone conclusion, I was showing it's not.
4b. Stop making assumptions about player's contracts mannnnnn. You don't know what the Kings or McLemore will do. Temple/Hield/Malachi are the only guarantees for next season on the wing. Afflalo, Gay, Evans, Galloway, McLemore all have various forms of options or are free agents in some form. They have Skal as the only PF guarantee (though I imagine they will pick up Tolliver's option). I don't have any idea what the Kings will do because they're the Kings, but the roster as it is doesn't show a crunch yet. There's a draft, and FA and so on and once that's happened then they'll know where the crunch does and does not exist.
4c. They already use Temple as a backup PG some of the time. Out of all your insane trades, the Joseph on Sacramento does make some semblance of sense, but how you got there is still a mess, as I said. You're not getting swap rights and a player they like in Temple for Joseph when the salaries are the same and Temple has a potential extra year of salary. I'm well aware Collison/Lawson are free agents. There's also, again, a draft to see about since there's 19,000 PGs in it. Also, reminder, yes the Kings have two picks this year (assuming NO doesn't jump into top 3), but still owe a 2019 unprotected first to the Sixers. I don't think they want to be giving up swap rights when 2018 will be their only season to tank (if they choose to go that route).
5. I haven't hyped up Minnesota or Sacramento as destinations for free agents, but I did point out that teams rarely decide against having more cap space until they don't need it. Honestly, more what I've done is just try to explain why none of your moves make any sense. Also, spoiler: not every team has cap space next year -- not even close. This year was a one-time deal, the cap is already projected to come in much lower for the 2017/18 season, and on top of that, it won't be increasing as much year over year based on current projections.
You're out of your element man, just give in here. It's not worth dying on this hill.