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squidyj
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(04-20-2017, 01:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

Guess I should do something productive huh

I'm down for a peeking strat. Not totally convinced squidy-kun is the cop but I think that there's a good chance there's one in this game.

I think you should read my concerns about the peeking strategy, especially if we start doing it as early as day 2.


Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!
rac
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(04-20-2017, 01:58 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj


Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!

Well I'm convinced
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:00 AM)
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Originally Posted by ultron87

What's this whole peeking thing? Is it a trap to make us fools ask about it?

During the day phase everyone posts "I peeked ____ and got a ___ check", along with the actual cop. So when the cop flips we have a way to verify their reads from the past without them having come out and say that they're the cop and therefore revealing themselves to scum.

(`・ω・) b
Swamped
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(04-20-2017, 02:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by rac

nah not really, just laughed when i read squidyj's post

VOTE: rac

This answer to cabot's question feels too friendly to me, like he's trying to diffuse tension. Scum wants people to like them, and to not feel threatened by them.

I know i have a policy on not lynching or killing newbies on D1/N1, but there are too many in this game lol.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj

I think you should read my concerns about the peeking strategy, especially if we start doing it as early as day 2.


Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!

If you're really the cop you shouldn't be worried about a peek as it A) allows you to give your results safely and B) since you've already revealed yourself you won't be alive for that long anyway, making yourself useless from the start

Hence why I'm not convinced you're the cop

m9っ`・ω・)
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 02:03 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj


Also how can you not be convinced that I'm a cop? I'm a cop!

See, this is clearly a shenanigan, but it's such an obvious shenanigan that it can't possibly be fruitful, but it's so clearly a clear and obvious shenanigan that...
Swamped
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(04-20-2017, 02:04 AM)
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Yaaay Dragonz my kawaii kouhai. Ignore the other senpais, they are imposters
squidyj
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(04-20-2017, 02:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

If you're really the cop you shouldn't be worried about a peek as it A) allows you to give your results safely and B) since you've already revealed yourself you won't be alive for that long anyway, making yourself useless from the start

Hence why I'm not convinced you're the cop

m9っ`・ω・)

what if I'm not the only cop though?
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 02:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Swamped

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I know i have a policy on not lynching or killing newbies on D1/N1, but there are too many in this game lol.

Not that I would like to make myself a target but also no need to coddle the newbies because we're newbies. If we get scurrilously voted off d1 because senpai noticed and was mean, we can totally just use that as leverage to get into the next game because everyone feels bad.
Zubz
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(04-20-2017, 02:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Swamped

VOTE: rac

This answer to cabot's question feels too friendly to me, like he's trying to diffuse tension. Scum wants people to like them, and to not feel threatened by them.

I know i have a policy on not lynching or killing newbies on D1/N1, but there are too many in this game lol.

I got the read that Rac was just playing along. Then again, you & I both know how bad I am at reading people.
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 02:07 AM)
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...damn, I can't even edit my post to fix errors, can I? :( this is going to be the hardest part of gafia for me
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:08 AM)
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Originally Posted by Swamped

Yaaay Dragonz my kawaii kouhai. Ignore the other senpais, they are imposters

I only have eyes for you, my koishii

ღゝ◡╹)ノ♡
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj

what if I'm not the only cop though?

Highly unlikely given how powerful the role is

Cmon, you're better than this (、)
Zubz
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(04-20-2017, 02:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

Highly unlikely given how powerful the role is

Cmon, you're better than this (、)

I mean, we've had it before. Don't forget about Apprentice Roles, too.
RetroMG
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(04-20-2017, 02:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by hey_monkey

Not that I would like to make myself a target but also no need to coddle the newbies because we're newbies. If we get scurrilously voted off d1 because senpai noticed and was mean, we can totally just use that as leverage to get into the next game because everyone feels bad.

Stepping in here - we actually do try to give priority to people who have played the least. Going out on day 1 would actually theoretically give you priority in the next game. (The Spider handles all this, somehow.) No need for emotional blackmail.

Carry on.
rac
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(04-20-2017, 02:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by Swamped

VOTE: rac

This answer to cabot's question feels too friendly to me, like he's trying to diffuse tension. Scum wants people to like them, and to not feel threatened by them.

I know i have a policy on not lynching or killing newbies on D1/N1, but there are too many in this game lol.

if i was scum i probably wouldn't stick my neck out D1 to try and diffuse tension when less then a quarter of the players have even posted
Poltergust
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(04-20-2017, 02:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zubz

Oh, I guess we're doing this now. I think Poltergust is new-ish... Right? Based on the Phoenix Wright comment (Although I guess it has been a year since then)? No Kills are always a bad idea, & you just shouldn't do them. Ever. I'm assuming Squidy's up to shenanigans, but it'd be foolish to rule anything out. Especially since he's usually more the "in your face pressure" type this early in a game.

Can you explain why it's a bad idea?

And yeah, this is the first time I've played Mafia online.
Poltergust
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(04-20-2017, 02:19 AM)
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Oh, and I want to bring up something: Is there any reason for the baddies to not target squidyj at this point, assuming he's town?

If no one else claims a special role by the end of the day phase then he put a self-imposed target on his back.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Zubz

I mean, we've had it before. Don't forget about Apprentice Roles, too.

I'm just finding it very unbalanced and hard to believe. And if there is a backup cop, then they can't even do checks yet so I'm not even considering them at this point

Originally Posted by Poltergust

Can you explain why it's a bad idea?

And yeah, this is the first time I've played Mafia online.

Because it generally gives scum more of a read on players and town less to go off of. With no lynch, voting patterns become null and void, essentially, which is crucial for reconstructing scum voting patterns on D2 and beyond.

(▼-▼*)
30yearsofhurt
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(04-20-2017, 02:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by rac

if i was scum i probably wouldn't stick my neck out D1 to try and diffuse tension when less then a quarter of the players have even posted

Don't try to reverse psychology your reverse psychology on us.

VOTE: rac

So dodgy.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

Oh, and I want to bring up something: Is there any reason for the baddies to not target squidyj at this point, assuming he's town?

If no one else claims a special role by the end of the day phase then he put a self-imposed target on his back.

Why even bring this up? Do you have something you'd like to share with the class, Poltergust-kun? Seems like a very obvious and weird question, is all.

(゚ー゚;
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 02:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by RetroMG

Stepping in here - we actually do try to give priority to people who have played the least. Going out on day 1 would actually theoretically give you priority in the next game. (The Spider handles all this, somehow.) No need for emotional blackmail.

Carry on.

Yeah, that's what I was saying, just with the emotional blackmail part for flavoring and fun. :D

Oh, I mean ( ゚▽゚)/
Bowlie
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(04-20-2017, 02:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

I mean, we have basically nothing to go on at this point, right? Unless someone has a daytime ability to activate (is that even a thing?) we're kinda blind firing here.

Originally Posted by Poltergust

Yeah, I noticed that too. There are most likely abilities that can only work with specific genders.

Originally Posted by Poltergust

I'm all for the players with abilities to do their stuff before we jump the gun. I'm not sure how many Mafia members there are compared to town members, but we certainly have a large chance of targeting someone innocent if we go into it blindly.

Originally Posted by Poltergust

Wait, so he used an ability already? Is that possible in the day phase?

Originally Posted by Poltergust

Oh, and I want to bring up something: Is there any reason for the baddies to not target squidyj at this point, assuming he's town?

If no one else claims a special role by the end of the day phase then he put a self-imposed target on his back.

Why are you so focused on power roles?
Haly
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(04-20-2017, 02:30 AM)
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Polter's new, he's just figuring out the online game. Cut him some slack.
Poltergust
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(04-20-2017, 02:32 AM)
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I'm running through three different scenarios in my head over squidyj's situation:

1. squidyj is telling the truth; he really is a cop aligned with the town. However, I have no idea why he would reveal this information so early, especially when the conversation over who to lynch has just started and no one was going for anyone. There was no need to "save himself" by revealing how much of an asset to the town he is so soon.

2. squidyj is a regular townie and is lying about his role. This would provide the most benefit to the town because it allows him to play as a sacrificial lamb to the Mafia and allow the special town roles to (likely) survive the night.

3. squidyj is Mafia. Him "revealing" that he is a cop is simply an attempt to throw us off the trail.

There are more possibilities (mostly dealing with Independents), but those are what I think to be the three likeliest ones. Thing is, only #2 would be beneficial to the town, and there is no guarantee that he will be targeted by the Mafia anyways.

Any thoughts?
squidyj
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(04-20-2017, 02:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by WhereAreMahDragonz

Why even bring this up? Do you have something you'd like to share with the class, Poltergust-kun? Seems like a very obvious and weird question, is all.

(゚ー゚;

leave poltergust alone!
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for like another 24 hours, at least that was the plan.
rac
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(04-20-2017, 02:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

I'm running through three different scenarios in my head over squidyj's situation:


Any thoughts?

i think it's just a joke
squidyj
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(04-20-2017, 02:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by rac

i think it's just a joke

Is that all I am to you!? a big joke!?
Poltergust
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(04-20-2017, 02:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bowlie

Why are you so focused on power roles?

I think that with most of those quotes I was just reiterating what someone else already said.

That said, squidyj revelation of being a cop is what got the ball rolling, so why not talk about them?

(I really do not know if it is possible for abilities to be used in the day phase, though. Someone please answer me. :< )
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(04-20-2017, 02:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj

leave poltergust alone!
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for like another 24 hours, at least that was the plan.

(・ε・`*)
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(04-20-2017, 02:38 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

(I really do not know if it is possible for abilities to be used in the day phase, though. Someone please answer me. :< )

It's possible but it's very unlikely the gafia mods would approve of a day-time Cop. it's one of those things that really throw off the balance of games.
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(04-20-2017, 02:39 AM)
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Originally Posted by Haly

It's possible but it's very unlikely the gafia mods would approve of a day-time Cop. it's one of those things that really throw off the balance of games.

No no no, I was talking about it in a general sense.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-20-2017, 02:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

I think that with most of those quotes I was just reiterating what someone else already said.

That said, squidyj revelation of being a cop is what got the ball rolling, so why not talk about them?

(I really do not know if it is possible for abilities to be used in the day phase, though. Someone please answer me. :< )

Honestly I think it's too early to tell. Your reaction is interesting though.

v( ̄∇ ̄)
rac
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(04-20-2017, 02:40 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj

Is that all I am to you!? a big joke!?

if you really are cop, try your best!
Haly
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(04-20-2017, 02:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

No no no, I was talking about it in a general sense.

Yes. Even in a general sense daytime abilities tend to be divisive from a balance perspective.
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 02:43 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

No no no, I was talking about it in a general sense.

I haven't played a lot of variations so I looked at the general mafia wiki to get a general sense and I don't see daytime abilities, really (though they can do what they want; i agree it's a balance issue, however), but there are some that seem imbued with extra knowledge, which could fit in theme. I dunno!

... which means I just posted a lot to say nothing, BASICALLY so uhhhh... I'll be over here.
Bowlie
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(04-20-2017, 02:44 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

No no no, I was talking about it in a general sense.

Yup, there are roles that can act during the day phase, and they can act either by sending a private message to the game's creator, or by saying something in the game's thread, public to everyone. It's up to the creator to have them or not.


In case you haven't, you should take a look at the wiki to familiarize yourself with terms and things that could appear in the game: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...oles_Main_Page
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(04-20-2017, 03:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by Bowlie

Yup, there are roles that can act during the day phase, and they can act either by sending a private message to the game's creator, or by saying something in the game's thread, public to everyone. It's up to the creator to have them or not.


In case you haven't, you should take a look at the wiki to familiarize yourself with terms and things that could appear in the game: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...oles_Main_Page

I never knew there was so much depth and variation to this game... All you vet players are wonderful senpais, arigatou (;-; )
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(04-20-2017, 03:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Poltergust

I think that with most of those quotes I was just reiterating what someone else already said.

That said, squidyj revelation of being a cop is what got the ball rolling, so why not talk about them?

Two of those were replies to someone who had mentioned power roles, and you started talking about it before noticing squid had claimed cop if I read you correctly.

It was something easy to notice, but since you really didn't know daytime powers could exist it's fine.
Cewyn
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(04-20-2017, 03:52 AM)
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Sigh...



How's everyone doing?
Zubz
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(04-20-2017, 03:53 AM)
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Originally Posted by squidyj

Is that all I am to you!? a big joke!?

I mean...

Honestly, though, your behavior on this D1 is markedly different than any I've had with you. And we've had quite a few.
hey_monkey
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(04-20-2017, 04:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cewyn


How's everyone doing?

There's all this death and violence and suspicion. It's basically like student council.
SkyOdin
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(04-20-2017, 04:07 AM)
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Originally Posted by Cewyn

Sigh...

How's everyone doing?

Distracted by Zelda BotW and Persona 5, mostly.

Otherwise, I am simply baffled by squidyj's behavior. Not that I think I can puzzle out whatever it is he is thinking. I don't know how to deal with crazy gambits right off the bat.

My general premise is that scum will try to lie low. While there are scum like Sorian who try to take front and center as town, a lot of scum in big games like this tend to sit back and quietly slip under the radar. It is easy to focus on the active people, when it is the quiet types who are probably the crazy yandere types with the hidden knives.
oreomunsta
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(04-20-2017, 04:17 AM)
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Are Day 1's usually a little slow? I thought that we would have been flying through a few pages by now.

Only a few accusations and interesting comments have been made, but it's not too hectic right now.
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(04-20-2017, 04:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by oreomunsta

Are Day 1's usually a little slow? I thought that we would have been flying through a few pages by now.

Only a few accusations and interesting comments have been made, but it's not too hectic right now.

Well think about it. What information does town have to go off of, on day one? No one has died and we're not even close to a vote yet.

_ノ乙(、ン、)_
squidyj
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(04-20-2017, 04:25 AM)
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where's the timer? how much longer do I have to pretend I'm a cop?
BlackBuzzard
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(04-20-2017, 04:26 AM)
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Woke up check anime Mafia see the first cop claim.

30yearsofhurt
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(04-20-2017, 04:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by oreomunsta

Are Day 1's usually a little slow? I thought that we would have been flying through a few pages by now.

Only a few accusations and interesting comments have been made, but it's not too hectic right now.

It's just about impossible to tell what's going on until investigators, etc. use their powers. Votes right now are just going to be based off gut feeling based on things such as past behavior in previous games, relationships with players or crappy anime faces.
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(04-20-2017, 04:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by 30yearsofhurt

It's just about impossible to tell what's going on until investigators, etc. use their powers. Votes right now are just going to be based off gut feeling based on things such as past behavior in previous games, relationships with players or crappy anime faces.

oh you're one of those people.
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(04-20-2017, 04:31 AM)
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I'm here!

Impromptu trip to see family so I was travelling yesterday. Only now just realized the day started. Gonna catch up tomorrow.

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