AliasGreed
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Your right I'm just being stupid. I'll probably end up buying the surface pro since I can't really wait that long since I need something for working when I'm not in the office.
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This is the new MS Surface Pro
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Your right I'm just being stupid. I'll probably end up buying the surface pro since I can't really wait that long since I need something for working when I'm not in the office.
Not really. I like it way more, you basically label them by the year they were released. Having iterative numbers will just get messy after a while.
jts
...hate me...
To use the same chargers and cables across a multitude of devices that already exist now, and will only increase tenfold going forward.
- it's a better connector than mini DP and usb 3.0
- usb 3.1 gen 2 is a necessity for external ssds
- being able to use third party chargers is nice
- we expect to own $1k laptops for more than a year or two so future proofing is nice
- 5k displays are becoming a thing
- fast charging for your peripherals is also becoming a thing
Veritigo_X
Member
Right now I've got my phone, chromebook, and switch using USB-C and it's nice being able to use the same cable for all those devices.
That's USB3, not USB-C though, isn't it?
A standard USB-C charging port seems a lot worse than a magnetic type charger to me especially on a larger device like a laptop
Is that USB3 or USB-C?
This isn't a smartphone though. It's not like this is going from micro-usb to USB C
Edit: If you guys are saying they should get rid of the magnetic charger for USB-C, I vehemently disagree.
flaxknuckles
Member
Because my phone uses it and eventually I will have a Switch and a new PC motherboard that uses it too. It's just more convenient when all your devices use the same cables. And I don't have that pesky issue where I wrongly insert the connector fifty million times with usb c.
They go hand in hand. Devices like the Samsung T3 use both USB-C and 3.1 Gen 2 to deliver 450mbps speeds.
You don't have to replace the magnetic charging port. Replace the mini DP port. Why not offer both options depending on what charger you have with you?
It's TB3/USB-C DisplayPort Alternate Mode.
I'm talking about charging your smartphone or tablet with USB-C fast charging.
hanspampel
Banned
USB type C variants and not even everything
but all you guys are missing, that the Surface Pro is a business device.
remember how long VGA was a thing because of beamer compatibility?
Okay after reading up on it a bit there's the USB3.1 standard, and USB type-C connector, those doesn't even have to be coupled together. You have USB-C ports that's based on the older USB3.0 standard for example. You can have the standard size USB port with USB3.1 as well.
The future proofing things I'm assuming are mainly coming from the USB3.1 standard. I really doubt USB-C ports will ever be ubiquitous as it's the same reason that we don't see micro-USB ports on laptops and desktops prior to USB-C because they're too small. I doubt you'll get to only use USB-C cables in the next decade.
That's an interesting proposal but there's never been a device that has two different charging ports before is there?
The future proofing things I'm assuming are mainly coming from the USB3.1 standard. I really doubt USB-C ports will ever be ubiquitous as it's the same reason that we don't see micro-USB ports on laptops and desktops prior to USB-C because they're too small. I doubt you'll get to only use USB-C cables in the next decade.
That's an interesting proposal but there's never been a device that has two different charging ports before is there?
TerryLee81
Member
All I want is double the battery life of the exisitng model.
AliasGreed
Member
My future proofing issue comes in on the fact that I change my devices every 5 to 10 years. Only reason I'm changing my 2008-2009 Alienware MX11 laptop is because the battery can no longer be found, no market for replacement batteries due to its uniqueness.
I'll buy a laptop soon and my expectation is for that device to last me another 8-10 years so I want it as future proof as possible.
I realize that's a valid concern, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the lack of USB-C. Or are you saying you don't think you'll be able to find a replacement battery charger for the proprietary magnetic port that Microsoft uses?
The Faceless Master
Member
are you that clumsy?
Have you ever used a magnetic-type charging cable?
I kinda want one. I have a surface pro 3 and it's feeling a bit old. But why would I get this for mainly OneNote and internet and occasional gaming.
Bump up the res, give me significant battery life, better pen support, more reliable sleep, ..then maybe. But I'm guessing the book 2 will be the real upgrade.
Bump up the res, give me significant battery life, better pen support, more reliable sleep, ..then maybe. But I'm guessing the book 2 will be the real upgrade.
You don't research the expensive tech you buy? Even second hand there should be an easy way to identify what you have on the hardware/software and online. Are people on gaf really this tech illiterate?
Subv3rsi0n
Member
Has anyone been able to find specs or will we have to wait until the 23rd?
The Faceless Master
Member
Resident_UA
Member
I agree very strongly with this. It's one of my favorite features in Surface Pro 3. I'm not even exaggerating.
so pretty much every device sucks cause 99% of them have their own proprietary charging cable?
its great. I have USB 3.0 if i want to use that for anything, but through the surface brick style dock i have 4 USB, 2 mini display port, ethernet, 3.5mm out. Its nice, as well as charging.
Okay, then first of all "are you that clumsy" is a silly question since a lot of people who broke smartphones in their lives probably won't think that they are clumsy nor are planning to break their smartphones. Second of all why does clumsy even have to do with the ease of use of a product. Even if I'm the most careful person in the world, if you told me that I can just not worry about someone tripping over my charging cable while I'm at a cafe, do I say "nah, I'd rather have a normal-ass cable because I can prove how careful I am".
I think you're wrong and mainly because of usb 3.1 gen 2 and reversible connectors. Two very clear improvements that micro USB didn't bring. Microsoft will add support next year and everyone will say "finally."
There's no doubt that eventually the devices will have much newer standards. I'm skeptical that we'll see USB-C ports on anything other than portable devices though. USB-C on a desktop? USB-C on a monitor? Eh.
Zantetsuken
Member
Why? They're already here. Dell, Lenovo, and Apple have been shipping them for a while. Why would desktops not have faster speeds? What else would they use?
The Faceless Master
Member
is this what it's like to be Bboy AJ?
yes.
finally that has been changing.
and it's a good thing.
i have never broken a smartphone and i have had them since Windows Mobile 5.
the worst thing i have done was lose the S Pen on my Galaxy Note 5.
the great thing about standardized cables is there are so many available options, including magnetic breakaway charge cables.
yes.
finally that has been changing.
and it's a good thing.
i have never broken a smartphone and i have had them since Windows Mobile 5.
the worst thing i have done was lose the S Pen on my Galaxy Note 5.
the great thing about standardized cables is there are so many available options, including magnetic breakaway charge cables.
USB-C, not USB3.1. Those are two separate things that doesn't have to come together.
Case in point.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AVSN2YG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
You should tell the Surface team about all that.
Not seeing what USB-C does at this time. I mean it has a usb port. Are people looking for that to replace Microsoft's magnetic charger? or are you looking to have it with the ports it already has? or a replacement of the regular USB port?
Anyway show me the specs and battery life. If it's sufficient i'll upgrade my Pro 4.
Anyway show me the specs and battery life. If it's sufficient i'll upgrade my Pro 4.
talkingood
Member
I was hoping to see some improvements to the pen, doesn't look like the case. I'll probably be waiting another year to upgrade my SP3 (with the SP4's pen).
Veritigo_X
Member
New motherboards are starting to have USB-C ports on them. I got a new one last year with it.
Agreed... it will be 5+ yrs before usb-c is ready for primetime but they still should have included both. It would have been far worse to pull an apple and only do usb-c.
That's not standard and I don't see OEMs doing that because they'd be stuck with an inferior connector and incompatibility with all the type c/3.1 gen 2 peripherals coming out.
This was discussed earlier in the thread.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
No USB C on a pro laptop in mid 2017. Right.
Shogmaster
Member
Instead of buying $1500 device every 5 years, why don't you buy a $1000 device every 3 years? Surface Pro 4 has been copied very well by ODMs for a while now. There are many worthy alternatives that are much cheaper. Some also have USB-C ports.
NullPointer
Member
Completely agreed on how useful the Surface Pro 3 is.
But I'll need a solid upgrade before I move on from it.
You got me thinking maybe I should pick up a pro 4 when this new one goes out in stores. Should be cheaper with the new model out.
Shogmaster
Member
Wouldn't something like the Lenovo Miix 720 be a much better choice than warmed over Surface Pro 2017?
------------------------------Miix 720---------------------------Surface Pro 2017
SoC-------------------Kaby Lake dual core-------------Kaby Lake dual core
RAM-------------------DDR 4------------------------------DDR 4
Display---------------12" 2880x1920-------------------12.3" 2736x1824
GPU-------------------Intel on package-----------------Intel on package
Storage---------------NVMe SSD, uSD----------------NVMe SSD, uSD
Digitizer---------------Wacom AES---------------------N-Trig/MPP
Ports-------------------USB-A 2.0, USB-A 3.0--------USB 3.0, Mini Display port
--------------------------USB-C (3.1)----------------------Proprietary dock connector
You can get a 7200U/8GB/256GB Miix 720 for $1030 and it comes with backlit Keyboard Cover:
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/tablet...Lenovo-MIIX-720-12IKB/p/80VV001CUS#80VV001CUS
------------------------------Miix 720---------------------------Surface Pro 2017
SoC-------------------Kaby Lake dual core-------------Kaby Lake dual core
RAM-------------------DDR 4------------------------------DDR 4
Display---------------12" 2880x1920-------------------12.3" 2736x1824
GPU-------------------Intel on package-----------------Intel on package
Storage---------------NVMe SSD, uSD----------------NVMe SSD, uSD
Digitizer---------------Wacom AES---------------------N-Trig/MPP
Ports-------------------USB-A 2.0, USB-A 3.0--------USB 3.0, Mini Display port
--------------------------USB-C (3.1)----------------------Proprietary dock connector
You can get a 7200U/8GB/256GB Miix 720 for $1030 and it comes with backlit Keyboard Cover:
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/tablet...Lenovo-MIIX-720-12IKB/p/80VV001CUS#80VV001CUS