Alan Kertz just wrote on twitter that the M16A3 is burst only: http://imgur.com/F3fh2z4
LvlCap also confirmed this.
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LvlCap also confirmed this.
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Ummm no, it's an incredibly good weapon and using it on full auto is completely ignoring it's main strength... the accurate and quick 2-shot burst. It's also got surprising hip fire accuracy which gives it strength even in close encounters. Again though, the 2-shot burst is key. Using it on any other firerate is a crime. At full auto, it shoots too slow.
I do agree though, that games should remove the KDR stat, or perhaps most stats. People too concerned about their spreadsheets rather than just playing the game.
Turin Turambar
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No need, just increase a bit the spread of rockets over distance, so they are still accurate in close and medium range, but not in long range.
jacksepticeye
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I personally like that decision. A lot of people won't though
Really hope this game promotes diversity in loudouts where no gun is significantly better like the BF3 M16 was
MrChowderClams
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Are you talking about pre-patch? Because it got a ridiculous buff that makes the 2-shot ridiculously OP.
i may be wrong here, but I thought the AN was pretty much brought back to its true form (a la BC2) after the first major patch in BF3.
Turin Turambar
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LOL. The only part that seem like a military simulation is the shiny exterior, the graphics and audio and explosions. The Hollywood part.
The flight ceiling for helicopters will be lowered in BF4, in order to force players out of hover camping exploits. Attack helis will most likely be closer to the ground now, flying actively, which gives people a better chance of shooting them down.
Also engineers can carry RPG and stingers at the same time now and boats pack a lot of serious anti-air capabilities.
AND we will have a limited number of flares. So yeah, good luck pilots.
Thanks for the info Tekku, I hope these changes even the balance somewhat.
kriskrosbbk
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Maybe an obvious answer but do we have the M4A1 carbine in BF4?Never seen it so far.
Looks really good. I felt like I was watching BC2 at first and couldn't really put my finger on why...
...BUT, doesn't it seem like there is a lot more chatter going on amongst the soldiers? Yelling, communicating, noises when getting shot, etc., that was something that BC2 did really well and I just can't remember BF3 having anything like that. Essentially "spacial audio" is what I'm calling it, yelling in the distance is faint/echo-ey, I'm rambling but it just sounds a bit more like BC2 because of that.
I'm sure BF3 has it but I don't know, it just sounded like BC2. Across the board the sound is fantastic, much improved over BF3 even.
So why the hell do they still use an A3 model? The whole point of using the A3 in BF3 (which the military never adopted) was for fully automatic fire as a good starting weapon and then they had the A4 in there as burst only which made sense. So why continue calling it an A3 and not just use the CORRECT A4 model?
I don't understand that if it's not even for game purposes now.
The biggest issue I have with this is that making the gunner's main guns lose any effectiveness at certain ranges is contradictory to Battlefield's current philosophy. No projectile in BF3 really has a limit to its range (except for the TV missile), it just gets gets much more inaccurate the farther it travels. I feel limiting the gunner's main guns is sort of a bandaid to a bigger issue, which to me is that the attack chopper in its current form in BF3 has little reason to be an active participant in battles (in other words, providing close air support and generally helping the team). Nowadays, the attack chopper is just an excuse to sit on the edge of the map and pad your stats by picking off unsuspecting infantry. In my opinion, that shouldn't be the case and that's why I also want the boundaries for it to be restricted as well, to keep the attack chopper in the map, near control points.
They have now changed the name to M16A4. Alan Kertz confirmed this on Twitter a couple of hours ago.
Awesome vid. Guy did a great job showing off each gun. The new UI looks so much nicer than BF3's.
It's weird how the smoke billows follow along with the ship as though it weren't in motion or passing through air.
Thank God. Last video I saw still had an A3 so I was confused. I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with the M16 even with burst only since the fire-rate is still quite high. The A4 was one of my go-to weapons in BF3 for certain mid-long-range maps.
Holy shit, man. You're right on the money; It's the sounds, it's the UI, its the killfeed, and its the lack of disgusting blue-tint.
I'm hype once again.
DaciaJC
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SolidSnakeUS
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The 1911 is also spotted in that video.
Hidden One
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Only when its storming on that map. Try again.
Dacia, you sly dog. No. I'm sorry bro but the blue tint is gone. Look at that map in the daytime, not when it's overcast/stormy. Look at Shanghai, it's all clean.Spot on.
That's still in.
Glad to see I'm not crazy!
DaciaJC
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omg I'm so hyped for BF4 after that video!! My most anticipated game, more than GTAV. Shame that I won't get a PS4 before spring and won't be able to play BF4 until then :/
BUT I have to say none of the weapons really excited me (except dat M240B). My three favourites are not amongst them (AK-74, SCAR L and L85) and I'd like more old style weapons. Right now there's only that boring plastic snooze fest of an overpowered M16. I want a proper AK, 74 or 47!
I'm sure there'll be DLCs with more assault rifles but I hope they add one of those.
BUT I have to say none of the weapons really excited me (except dat M240B
). My three favourites are not amongst them (AK-74, SCAR L and L85) and I'd like more old style weapons. Right now there's only that boring plastic snooze fest of an overpowered M16. I want a proper AK, 74 or 47! I'm sure there'll be DLCs with more assault rifles but I hope they add one of those.
Yeah, the blue is gone but there's still something there that's preventing this game from showing its true colors.
ProfessorMoran
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Looks alright, why is the dialogue in mandarin, can we have this in english?
There was an option for Russian or English for the Russian voice acting in BF3. I'm sure it will be the same in BF4 for Russian and Chinese.
Because they're chinese soldiers that's why. And yes, if you want to be boring rather than keep it authentic, you can switch all dialogues to english. pff...
jk
OdysseusVA
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Well, I hate the way they perform and I know I am not the only one.
Nemesis121
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2 things need to change in this game for me to purchase it for PC, the hit detection and prone through walls that shit has to stop, Dice enough with the Lazy programming, I enjoyed BF3 but, seeing snipers prone through a broken wall kill you, but you can't hit them was frustrating one of the reason i quit BF3 after 9 months...
I wanna see some more Engineer gameplay myself. I understand DICE's decision to make PDW's default for Engineers but I am going to respectfully ignore that decision and stick with carbines. The AK-5C in particular looks really good from what I've seen. Love that the RPG-7V2 is available to all factions as well.
But chopper sniping is an effective way to help the team, that's what the chopper is for, killing people. Sitting back clearing off a control point of enemies as your team moves in to take it is very helpful. It doesn't need to be near a point to help and frankly becomes less effective the closer it is. The chopper isn't for capping points or flying 10 feet away from a target like you see in the ridiculous BF4 video.
I'll agree that limiting the the range is contradictory of the rest of the design, so perhaps a better idea is to simply increase the spread at a distance. I just don't like the idea of making so many invisible walls in the game. It negates the ability for escape in many BF3 maps because several of them don't have much in the way of cover for an air vehicle. It's obvious there's a very fine line between making the chopper into an unstoppable killing machine and turning it into a flying coffin.
Ehm.. how are they supposed to perform? I'm a support guy and I never had issues with LMGs.
In bf3 they were almost too good. If you used them a while you could own with them. Short range long range they were deadly.
super-famicom
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Soo many different grips! I understand the 'reduction to first shot recoil' and 'decrease in reduction to accuracy while shooting on the move', but 'stability' refers to the gun AFTER it settles down from initial recoil, right? I gotta catch up on my gun jargon.
Long range, they weren't that deadly. Best used for suppression in those circumstances. Assault rifles were far and away better in those situations and carbines about equal, with less damage, but more accuracy.
They were definitely great for short-to-medium range battles, though.
SHADES
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If your using the AN-94 on full auto then your doing it wrong!
It's an awesome mid range assault rifle but suffers CQC so you either play to the style of weapon in hand or change your weapon.
super-famicom
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M240 before the nerf was godly. I was in the top 4% of M240 users for the longest time. Hope the LMGs turn out decent in BF4.
Agreed. The way it's set up now, it's a lot easier to support a cap from far away and pick people off because just how many engineers are out there and how many things can lock on to you. BF3 pilots did what Apache pilots do in real life which is support ground forces from so far away that the enemy hardly knows they're about to die, let alone by a helicopter. For a game, this is obviously drastically reduced and isn't nearly as effective or long-range, but that core principle still stands: Support ground forces from a safe distance to avoid being the one that needs support yourself.
The choppers are nowhere near as effective as they were in BF2 and a lot of things are dangers to them so it's only natural for them to use their tools from a safe distance.
I fly a lot but I tend to move my chopper around and fly low to break any locks by hiding behind objects but it's still a gamble and it's only a matter of time until too many Stingers, tanks, mobile AA, etc. lock on to you to be able to shake them all even with my friend in the gunner seat using flares. Most players don't last long in the air because of that so it makes sense for people to want to fly high and avoid lock-on range. Afterall, it's something choppers should do if they have the optics for it and no other air units are a threat. Either you fly low and risky or hover high above and pick people off, but you can't expect them to help ground forces more while limiting them even more considering the reason they don't fly all over the map right now is because of how easy they are to take down.
I know Demize loves limiting air units' roles to the overall match, but if he didn't go so overboard with the AA options, then people wouldn't fly so high to begin with since you didn't see it often in BF2 and when you did, a jet was going to take care of them anyway on most maps. I can still do alright, but if the gunner is a pub then I'm screwed too which is why I'd love more PC friends.
The key is finding a balance between BF2, BC2, and BF3, but limiting them more without changing anything else isn't going to go over well, especially if you're allowing engineers to have 2 equipment slots meaning even MORE engies will have AA launchers equipped when it's already the most-played class.
I thought the exact same thing, especially when seeing the FAMAS. That gun wasn't great in BF3 but in that video, it had very low recoil when it has one of the fastest fire-rates in the game. That was a little concerning since recoil is something DICE does so well that makes the game actually rely on skill in engagements. Hopefully that's a WIP or something because that mid-range kill on full auto was quite insane for that weapon.
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