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There was no reveal. That was one of the things they were hitting.
So what was the big reveal? Watched this a couple hours ago and didn't see the trailer so didn't know what to expect. Nothing really surprised me though, so now I'm wondering what the big plot twist was supposed to be. I remember reading this thread when it was just started and someone saying something along the lines of "yeah, I never saw it coming but if you pay attention to the small details you should be able to figure it out".
It feels so good to be able to hughlight those spoilers now!
Wow, what a film. Loved every minute of it.
You should probably spoiler that.
I was just thinking that maybe the only point of the mirror in the room (aside from maybe causing some tension between the occupants) was how it mimicked what as actually happening between the kids and the underground facility workers.
We're watching voyeurs watch a voyeur.
That was it. Damnit.As much as I now want the character to have been named Hensen, it's Holden, guys.
As much as I now want the character to have been named Hensen, it's Holden, guys.
Apologies if this has been said before (I've only read half the thread), but did anyone else get a majorvibe from the last act? Even thoughPortalthe audience already knew about the office evironment, the teens had this incredible moment of not knowing WTF was behind the curtain.
D'oh- fixed my post, but I'm pretty sure you're remembering the scene wrong, although I may be. I think it was Holden that said that to Dana on the couch, not Marty.
edit: Nope, I guess you're right, it was Marty. Nobody but the fool had any idea what was going on :lol
edit again: the relevant. Goddamn this movie is well-written.
That dialogue sequence... awesome. Can't wait for the Blu-Ray release.
It feels so good to be able to hughlight those spoilers now!
Wow, what a film. Loved every minute of it.
That dialogue sequence... awesome. Can't wait for the Blu-Ray release.
Anton Sugar said:Also, anyone else incredibly disappointed by the very last shot?Gimme some Lovecraft shit, not this generic human hand.
I guess this is semi-on topic, but Anna Hutchinson just signed on to be in Spartacus on Starz.
I finally saw this last night. I was expecting a truly scary movie or something from all the hype. Well I can't even call this a horror film. This is a comedy. In that sense, it's a fun great movie to watch. But it is absolutely not scary in any way. It's just a fun movie like Evil Dead or Shaun of the Dead. There's also some shitty dialogue/ bad acting in some parts IMO, though that could be on purpose.
The premise was definitely cool. I think I have to watch it again to truly appreciate it, on my first viewing I thought it was merely a fun cool movie.
Saw this last week. Was not impressed. What exactly is so good about this? I mean I wasn't bad...
Glad you liked it bud
No offense intended at all, but are you sure you got it? Every professional review I've read that described it as average or unimpressive betrayed clear misunderstanding of or just missed points altogether. If you take it at face value I can kind of see how it would seem a pretty campy horror movie and nothing else... I really have to strain not to look deeper though.Saw this last week. Was not impressed. What exactly is so good about this? I mean I wasn't bad...
Saw this last week. Was not impressed. What exactly is so good about this? I mean I wasn't bad...
No offense intended at all, but are you sure you got it? Every professional review I've read that described it as average or unimpressive betrayed clear misunderstanding of or just missed points altogether. If you take it at face value I can kind of see how it would seem a pretty campy horror movie and nothing else... I really have to strain not to look deeper though.
Very much possible. All I saw wasa scary movie where the cause of horror was actually a bureau of people pleasing old gods. For a moment I picked some undertones of how hard it is to scare people these days and how hard it was to fit people in the stereotypical types demanded by the old gods.
Very much possible. All I saw wasa scary movie where the cause of horror was actually a bureau of people pleasing old gods. For a moment I picked some undertones of how hard it is to scare people these days and how hard it was to fit people in the stereotypical types demanded by the old gods.
And here's the problem. It wasn't a scary movie,it was a satire. The movie makes fun of conventions that are in slasher movies since forever. It tries to "rationalize" them and breaks them, ultimately showing that they are not working anymore and that people want something new. Every cliche known from stupid "teens gets killed" horrors is there, twisted in some way. "We should stick together. [researcher releases the gas] No, I have a better idea - let's split up!"
I don't know why exactly but this post is incredibly satisfying.My respect for the movie has just doubled. Will re-watch. Thanks
She further goes on to attempt to define the sub-genre's appeal to its audience as being threefold:
CatharsisThrough a release of fears about bodily injury or from political or social tensions of the day.
RecreationAn intense, thrill seeking, physical experience akin to a roller coaster ride.
DisplacementAudiences sexual desires are displaced onto the characters in the film.
Keep this stuff in mind any time the agency describes what the "old gods" want to see.
When The Director mentions "Eight minutes to sunrise" when talking about the Gods destroying the earth, there are eight minutes left until the lights come up in the movie theater.
Goddamn!
I said totally non-exhaustive! BUT those are both such good examples that I'm adding them.Great research. But I feel like this nitpick needs to be made: your list of movies to watch before/after Cabin doesn't include Evil Dead or Night of the Living Dead. Which I think belong more than Scream or even Halloween.
Just got back from the midnight showing.
I enjoyed it. There's a ton of "WTF?!" moments that leave the viewer asking/wondering
what's going on and that's the hook of the movie. It plays with our perceptions of horror films as well as the cliches inherent in most of them.
Now will you be able to figure out the ending? I can usually "call" an ending on a movie as many of you can probably do also. This one-no. However, if you pay very close attention to the dialogue and the setup you can probably piece together a good hint.......anyways...
The ending is complete, utter madness and a pretty amazing pay off.
I don't think the movie was ever billed as a "horror/comedy" ala "The Evil Dead". This is pretty much a straight up horror movie that plays with the cliches and perceptions of the genre. There *are* some funny moments in it but for the most part, this is a very violent, scary, bloody movie.
Huh? The use of cliche is intentional.NeoGAF genius? Come oooon man, the movie was just full of cliches that should've been noticeable to anyone that even remotely likes horror movies. It's just one big parody really which becomes clear pretty damn quick. All of those tropes you listed were very obvious to spot without having someone point them out but I suppose people who are new to the horror genre might find it cool how they played with all the horror movie stereotypes.
Go see The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Cube, some scenes from Cabin in the Woods are very resembling of scenes from those movies. I don't really get your point though, why would you want people to see those movies? I guess so they can see all the stereotypes of horror? Again though, I think everyone who loves horror movies already knows all of that stuff and doesn't need to rewatch them to confirm the stereotypes, it should be pretty obvious that they all adhere to the same blueprint.
There are plot twists in this film, by definition.See man, now this I don't get. It's these two posts that actually made me want to see the movie. I was very excited for the ending and plot twists but there wasn't a single plot twist and the ending was predictable as hell. Not just predictable, I was actually rooting for that to happen and it did!
Horror and comedy are not and never have been mutually exclusive. Your second post doesn't say anything about why zero moments in the film are scary, it just lists funny moments. They can coexist. As discussed above, I think theYour second post is just weird, it's a flat out lie.Within the first few minutes, there's this scene with the gas station redneck. Normally, this would introduce a little fear but then they go on and make fun of him, not just cracking a little joke but they just keep making fun of him. I loved that scene and from then on it was pretty apparent that this was going to be a comedy; I was still wary however, hoping the movie would actually become scary. Then there's:
- the zombies which had a really shitty animation, not making them scary at all
- the researchers having fun, drinking and making jokes while all of this goes down
- the japanese kids turning a japanese ghost into a frog
- a dead king kong
- all those nightmarish creatures that were released in the elevator scene, turning everything into a huge bloodbath. This was funny because of some of the creatures were just weird, like the molesting tree, that snake, the robot thingie, etc.
There are very little genuinely scary scenes in the movie.
Wow- it's funny to see a post that mocks what I said wasn't entirely obvious to me, while simultaneously seeming to miss the major thrust of the film.NeoGAF genius? Come oooon man, the movie was just full of cliches that should've been noticeable to anyone that even remotely likes horror movies. It's just one big parody really which becomes clear pretty damn quick. All of those tropes you listed were very obvious to spot without having someone point them out but I suppose people who are new to the horror genre might find it cool how they played with all the horror movie stereotypes.
Go see The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Cube, some scenes from Cabin in the Woods are very resembling of scenes from those movies. I don't really get your point though, why would you want people to see those movies? I guess so they can see all the stereotypes of horror? Again though, I think everyone who loves horror movies already knows all of that stuff and doesn't need to rewatch them to confirm the stereotypes, it should be pretty obvious that they all adhere to the same blueprint.
True. What's ultimately great about it to me is that it's not only a genre deconstruction a la Scream (in which the clichés are toyed with but eventually embraced in-universe nonetheless) butbig ander said:Was the person you quoted wrong in saying that it's a "straight-up horror movie"? Yes. But it is a horror movie.
Huh? The use of cliche is intentional.The lab forces cliches because it's what the gods demand. The gods are us, or movie executives depending on how you want to look at it. We've been fed this same formula over and over, and it's not satisfying as well as it used to. It's not being executed as well, because times have changed.
I'm not new to the horror genre. I'm not a scholar in it either, but I'm not new to it. And I found the way Cabin played with genre interesting. So it's not only interesting to newbies. That's a silly statement.
Also, you can be well-versed in horror tropes without having seen every horror film. In fact, that's sort of the point of Cabin:This is because horror tropes are deeply ingrained into mass culture. You can probably go into Cabin having seen zero of the films listed by Hawkian and still get 70% of the references. That is not a bad thing; again it's the point of the film. So before or after seeing Cabin, it's a great idea to check out those listed movies. For instance, I now want to watch Evil Dead II and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Hills Have Eyes.the motions have become far too tired.
It sucks to say this but I do think, looking at this thread, that it's often true with this film: I don't think you got it."It" being that the film was a critique of the horror genre, of its audiences and its filmmakers.
big ander said:There are plot twists in this film, by definition.There isn't really a last-minute reveal that changes the rest of the film in the vein of Usual Suspects or Sixth Sense, but at the beginning of the film you do not know that people fitting stereotypes need to be sacrificed once a year in order to keep gigantic human-destroying gods satiated or that the film will state that the horror genre has decayed due to a refusal to innovate and over-reliance on certain tropes, so it's better to break it all down and try to start from scratch. Did you predict that would happen? I very much doubt it. But if you really did: good job! The film still had a "twist," though. Anticipating a plot movement doesn't mean it didn't exist, it just means you anticipated it. And even if you anticipated 100% of the huge amount of stuff that happened in this film, it still happened.
big ander said:Horror and comedy are not and never have been mutually exclusive. Your second post doesn't say anything about why zero moments in the film are scary, it just lists funny moments. They can coexist. As discussed above, I think theWas the person you quoted wrong in saying that it's a "straight-up horror movie"? Yes. But it is a horror movie.wolf kissing scene is eerie as fuck. I think the girl being killed counts as scary. I think the elevator scene is tense.
Look, it's great that you got it all on spec, but the post that actually inspired me to compile all those links and suggestions was this one:Eh? Of course I got it, I even said that the movie isjust one big parody, using all the cliches of past horror movies. I know that it's intended to be satire and to make fun of all the overdone stereotypical stuff that happens in horror movies. Hawkian said "it's fascinating to me how clear this stuff all seems after having it spelled out for you" and that took me by surprise since it was actually all very obvious to me what the movie was referring to. That's also why I think it'd be weird for someone to rewatch those movies: you already know how much they cling to stereotypes. Would be cool to notice them on a first watch I guess, but that kinda takes away from the actual horror, it would make you look for the stereotypes and laugh them off and you'll end up not enjoying it as much.
I know you aren't stating it, but aren't you kind of implying that mik83kuu is an idiot because he or she didn't get it?Very much possible. All I saw wasa scary movie where the cause of horror was actually a bureau of people pleasing old gods. For a moment I picked some undertones of how hard it is to scare people these days and how hard it was to fit people in the stereotypical types demanded by the old gods.
Hilariously enough, I think you're actually reaching to draw this comparisonAlso, I think it's pretty obvious that the cubes in the movie poster refer toall the cube cells that hold the monsters. There's even this scene where you're shown the bigger picture and see all these cubes shifting around, exactly like they did in Cube.
Wow- it's funny to see a post that mocks what I said wasn't entirely obvious to me, while simultaneously seeming to miss the major thrust of the film.
I'm pretty well-versed in horror, both the dated stuff and the post-revitalization era, and it was very amusing just to go over all these tired clichés with a new lens. You don't have to find the same things amusing!
Hawkian said:I'm surprised I didn't include the Texas Chainsaw Massacre on my list of rewatches- that's a perfect one. I'm especially surprised because I threw The Hills Have Eyes on there. Whatever. Cube is a very enjoyable movie but it is not a slasher film and doesn't really belong (). Still, watch it, good flick. Skip the sequels.if we were trying to draw equivalencies, the "Fool" would be the only one to survive...?
Hawkian said:True. What's ultimately great about it to me is that it's not only a genre deconstruction a la Scream (in which the clichés are toyed with but eventually embraced in-universe nonetheless) buta film that contextualizes the actual experience of watching a clichéd horror movie through the fourth wall.
Come on. Who among you wasn't waiting to see some tits at the exact moment Bradley Whitford mentions the necessity for an unveiling of boob?
Good to see this thread again. I saw it last week. What a great movie. I liked the portal reference.
Sorry for being unclear or misinterpreting you then- I didn't find it surprising, once I "got" the movie I just found it awesome.I wasn't mocking what you said, I really figured you just hadn't seen a lot of horror movies and that you thought it was awesome to read over those cliche tropes and found it surprising how many of them were included in The Cabin in the Woods.
Okay....
Look, it's great that you got it all on spec, but the post that actually inspired me to compile all those links and suggestions was this one:
I know you aren't stating it, but aren't you kind of implying that mik83kuu is an idiot because he or she didn't get it?
I don't blame people for not being as genre savvy as you and I. Where we differ is that I had a real blast looking up all these tropes and clichés as a result of seeing them plastered over a new, hilarious model; you seem to have found it boring. That's fine, but you don't have to denigrate the fact that I found it interesting and less obvious, let alone that some viewers didn't get it at all.
Hawkian said:Hilariously enough, I think you're actually reaching to draw this comparison
It doesn't really matter how many scary moments there are. When you have this many funny moments in your movie, it really takes away from true horror and really helps to lighten the mood. Something pretty bad happens and that's alleviated by something funny happening, this carries on throughout the entire movie.