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Juliano2016
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(04-21-2017, 05:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by silva1991

Higher luck is important

High luck+confuse boost and confuse is pretty much guaranteed.

I got 6 million in just over an hour today.

what's that?
Mendrox
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(04-21-2017, 05:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by StereoVsn

I would go further and recommend getting a cheap Vita or PS TV to play P4G and P3P on.

Yeah nobody should play P4 vanilla and p3 fes was also horrible in many ways...could only finish on portable.
kewlmyc
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(04-21-2017, 05:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by silva1991

Higher luck is important

High luck+confuse boost and confuse is pretty much guaranteed.

I got 6 million in just over an hour today.

What persona were you using?
KlotePino
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(04-21-2017, 05:01 PM)
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I really love the setup and structure for this game but I feel it's criminally underused. I know this is supposed to be high-school drama but the writing for this game could and should be so much better. All the s-links follow the most basic of arcs with no twists and turns so the characters stay extremely basic. Right and wrong, good and bad are all so straightforward and predictable, there are so many chances here to do more with these themes but it stay so cookie-cutter.

That's almost a crime to me when you think about how many hours they have to develop these characters into something more interesting and meaningful. They can't even stick to their own flimsy arc such as in Ann's S-link wanting to become a actress and dropping it immediately afterThe thing I do like about the writing is how dark some of the antagonists have been so far, that's the one thing that really sticks out for me.

I agree with others here who say the game could use some serious editing in both the dungeons and day to day life to really elevate this because its starting to feel like a slog to me 40 hours and reading that other people are feeling this way at 80-100 hours is making me worried. I'm saying this because I love the setup and structure of this game but would love to see it come to fruition a little more. In a time where we expect more of games than ever in terms of writing for a game that relies on it so heavily, it's extremely weak. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this and I know I might be looking through an overly critical lens to this game but I don't think it needs a pass on this front.
Rhaknar
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(04-21-2017, 05:02 PM)
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How do you use the game console? I bought it and games but nothing happens when I click the tv.
jonjonaug
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(04-21-2017, 05:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by Juliano2016

what's that?

Certain bosses in Mementos have a fairly high chance of landing confusion spells on them. They then have a chance to drop tons of cash on their next turn.
Thud
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(04-21-2017, 05:03 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rhaknar

How do you use the game console? I bought it and games but nothing happens when I click the tv.

Try again. It shows news first.
nOoblet16
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(04-21-2017, 05:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rhaknar

Sure, I dont consider knowing the number of zones a spoiler :p

You have 1 zone after that and then you'll see.
silva1991
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(04-21-2017, 05:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by Juliano2016

what's that?

mementos requests bosses

Originally Posted by kewlmyc

What persona were you using?



I used Kohryu

Mine had spell master(halves SP cost) and he has alot of luck.

I gave him Pulinpa through strengthening him with that chicken onion thing(had both pulinpa and confuse boost)
demosthenes
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(04-21-2017, 05:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by StereoVsn

I would go further and recommend getting a cheap Vita or PS TV to play P4G and P3P on.

PSTV can't play P3P?
cheesekao
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(04-21-2017, 05:08 PM)
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Originally Posted by demosthenes

PSTV can't play P3P?

It can.
klabautermann
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(04-21-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by StereoVsn

I would go further and recommend getting a cheap Vita or PS TV to play P4G and P3P on.

Agreed. You can also play P1 PSP, P2:IS PSP, and P2:EP PS1 Classic on it, so you get majority of the series. As well as the (best) spinoff, Persona 4: Dancing All Night.
kromeo
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(04-21-2017, 05:09 PM)
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Originally Posted by nOoblet16

Those are two words that get thrown around without considering what they stand for

I did say so far, I'm only basing that on the first 3 and mementos
demosthenes
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(04-21-2017, 05:10 PM)
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Originally Posted by cheesekao

It can.

Well shit. I guess I'm buying one. Does DS4 work?

God dammit Sony, why can't it use SD cards.
klabautermann
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(04-21-2017, 05:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by Mendrox

Yeah nobody should play P4 vanilla and p3 fes was also horrible in many ways...could only finish on portable.

I don't agree with the meme that P3 FES is bad. Not controlling your team mates is a pain sure, considering it's the only game in the entire series that doesn't allow you to do so, but I found plenty of ways to get characters to work if you adjusted their tactics. P3P is nice, and the female route is way better, but I feel like it should be played after the male route. Also the point and click style and lack of animated cutscenes is a little bit of a bummer for me.
Supermanisdead
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(04-21-2017, 05:13 PM)
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New game + question

So the Christmas item I got says that I can rank up confidants if I have a persona of the same arcana. Does that mean it will rank up every time as long as I have that persona? Because normally it just boosts the points, so this item should be even stronger right?
lightning2k3
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(04-21-2017, 05:13 PM)

Originally Posted by demosthenes

Well shit. I guess I'm buying one. Does DS4 work?

God dammit Sony, why can't it use SD cards.

Its basically a vita without the screen. It still uses the vita memory cards. At this point though i would recommend considering a vita itself. Playing persona on the go is a magical experience.
cheesekao
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(04-21-2017, 05:13 PM)
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Originally Posted by demosthenes

Well shit. I guess I'm buying one. Does DS4 work?

God dammit Sony, why can't it use SD cards.

Yea, it's compatible. My suggestion is to see if you can find second hand PSTV+4gb card if you want to spend as little as possible.
Chaos17
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(04-21-2017, 05:15 PM)

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

Welp destroyed the latest memento area (adyeshack or something) at lvl 53, I didnt even have requests there, just wanted to clear the zone for the fast travels.

How many more zones are in there? Cant be many more.

There're 7 if my memory is correct.
TheNintendoBox
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(04-21-2017, 05:17 PM)
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Originally Posted by demosthenes

Well shit. I guess I'm buying one. Does DS4 work?

God dammit Sony, why can't it use SD cards.

you can use a dual shock 3 or 4 but i reccomend a dualshock 3 since the ds4 has quite a bit of input lag on the ps tv while the 3 does not
ShadyK54
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(04-21-2017, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by klabautermann

Agreed. You can also play P1 PSP, P2:IS PSP, and P2:EP PS1 Classic on it, so you get majority of the series. As well as the (best) spinoff, Persona 4: Dancing All Night.

This is correct.
Xevren
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(04-21-2017, 05:19 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rhaknar

How do you use the game console? I bought it and games but nothing happens when I click the tv.

Can only play it at night, just check it again after whatever comes on the tv.

Originally Posted by jonjonaug

Certain bosses in Mementos have a fairly high chance of landing confusion spells on them. They then have a chance to drop tons of cash on their next turn.

More specifically, here's a list that it will work on.
Chaos17
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(04-21-2017, 05:20 PM)

Originally Posted by PhantomThief

Since this is my first Persona game I have been thinking about buying P4 and P3 for ps2 as well. I still have a nice PS2 slim I could play them on, but they are pretty expensive for ps2 games :( (then again so was Godhand)

I didn't checked the prices but if they're too high, I advice you to download ps2 emulator, it has been stable for many years and they're great games like Lunar eternal blue who deserve to be played.
I don't usually advice people to use emulator except for old games.
kromeo
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(04-21-2017, 05:22 PM)
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You get used to the no character control in 3 pretty quickly, the only time it really caused a problem for me was the final boss
PK Gaming
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(04-21-2017, 05:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by KlotePino

I really love the setup and structure for this game but I feel it's criminally underused. I know this is supposed to be high-school drama but the writing for this game could and should be so much better. All the s-links follow the most basic of arcs with no twists and turns so the characters stay extremely basic. Right and wrong, good and bad are all so straightforward and predictable, there are so many chances here to do more with these themes but it stay so cookie-cutter.

I don't disagree that the writing can get pretty rote, but most of the confidants have had interesting twists (Star, Temperance) or generally solid writing throughout (Sun, Hanged Man, Emperor, Empress, Hermit, Hiero). It's not cutting edge stuff, but I feel like the game does a great job of getting you invested in these characters and their story.

That's almost a crime to me when you think about how many hours they have to develop these characters into something more interesting and meaningful. They can't even stick to their own flimsy arc such as in Ann's S-link wanting to become a actress and dropping it immediately afterThe thing I do like about the writing is how dark some of the antagonists have been so far, that's the one thing that really sticks out for me.

Ann's desire to become an actress was half-assed and her arc was literally about not approaching model (ie: life) in such a half-assed manner. You can even call her out on her previous desire to become an actress.
demosthenes
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(04-21-2017, 05:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by lightning2k3

Its basically a vita without the screen. It still uses the vita memory cards. At this point though i would recommend considering a vita itself. Playing persona on the go is a magical experience.

I had a Vita, played Golden and loved it. It was probably 80% of the time I spent on it, the other being FF related games. I just don't care for portable gaming. I don't have long commutes, I drive. On planes, I read, I don't game in bed. I just prefer my gaming on my couch or office chair.

Originally Posted by cheesekao

Yea, it's compatible. My suggestion is to see if you can find second hand PSTV+4gb card if you want to spend as little as possible.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by TheNintendoBox

you can use a dual shock 3 or 4 but i reccomend a dualshock 3 since the ds4 has quite a bit of input lag on the ps tv while the 3 does not

Thanks, I have both DS3 & 4. DS3 might be dead though as they haven't been used in a long time :lol
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NotLiquid
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(04-21-2017, 05:30 PM)
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Mementos Target spoilers

What's the deal with Shadow Nejima? Nothing hits him?
BassForever
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(04-21-2017, 05:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by NotLiquid

Mementos Target spoilers

What's the deal with Shadow Nejima? Nothing hits him?

you'll story run away, sets up tower slink
Inquisitive_Ghost
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(04-21-2017, 05:31 PM)
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I can't be the only person out there who almost never found the dungeons tedious. The only time that started to happen for me was right around the end of dungeon 5 and a bit of (ENDGAME) Mementos Depths, because it was sadly pretty flatly designed.

I really like dungeon crawling though. Etrian Odyssey would be a favourite series if the stories and context were less generic medieval fantasy. As it is I really enjoyed both Strange Journey and Persona Q. Even Palace 7 didn't bother me because I kind of enjoyed the feel of sneaking around in a big maze like that.
Thud
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(04-21-2017, 05:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by kromeo

You get used to the no character control in 3 pretty quickly, the only time it really caused a problem for me was the final boss

It really doesn't. Especially when every other game gives you direct control.
silva1991
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(04-21-2017, 05:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by NotLiquid

Mementos Target spoilers

What's the deal with Shadow Nejima? Nothing hits him?

Is this how the boss looks like?

http://i.imgur.com/6OpFP.jpg

This is a hacker. Morgana will tell you to run and you will have to talk to the tower social link kid to solve this problem.
Chaos17
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(04-21-2017, 05:35 PM)

Originally Posted by KlotePino

I really love the setup and structure for this game but I feel it's criminally underused. I know this is supposed to be high-school drama but the writing for this game could and should be so much better. All the s-links follow the most basic of arcs with no twists and turns so the characters stay extremely basic. Right and wrong, good and bad are all so straightforward and predictable, there are so many chances here to do more with these themes but it stay so cookie-cutter.

That's almost a crime to me when you think about how many hours they have to develop these characters into something more interesting and meaningful. They can't even stick to their own flimsy arc such as in Ann's S-link wanting to become a actress and dropping it immediately afterThe thing I do like about the writing is how dark some of the antagonists have been so far, that's the one thing that really sticks out for me.

I agree with others here who say the game could use some serious editing in both the dungeons and day to day life to really elevate this because its starting to feel like a slog to me 40 hours and reading that other people are feeling this way at 80-100 hours is making me worried. I'm saying this because I love the setup and structure of this game but would love to see it come to fruition a little more. In a time where we expect more of games than ever in terms of writing for a game that relies on it so heavily, it's extremely weak. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this and I know I might be looking through an overly critical lens to this game but I don't think it needs a pass on this front.

Don't worry you're not alone, we're many that think the story and S-links lack of consistency in general. The game is so long and you wonder why with all that time they didn't added more layers to the story instead of taking player for an idiot by repeating the same stuff over again and again many times (I've never been spamed so much in my life, lol)

That's the reason why P4 tend to be liked more, each arc was fleshed out and the serial murders was the main link between all cases even if it was basic. In P5... you will have to wait till chapter 6 to see/feel that "link"
BassForever
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(04-21-2017, 05:36 PM)
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I'd say 90% of the time in p3 fes the ai would do exactly what I wanted them to do since persona combat is fairly automatic with exploit weaknesses for one mores. 5% of the time they did something I wouldn't have done and it worked out or was nbd (debuff or alignment on enemy, hit enemy for resist/null), 5% of the time it did stupid af things (prioritized healing someone other then the mc, tried to spam status magic on a boss).
kromeo
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(04-21-2017, 05:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Thud

It really doesn't. Especially when every other game gives you direct control.

Doesn't what? It's not ideal but it doesn't make the game unplayable either
silva1991
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(04-21-2017, 05:40 PM)
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Obligatory since we are talking about P3 AI


Lol I never finished this version and I'm tempted to replay it and finish it.(only finished P3P)
Marmaladefire
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(04-21-2017, 05:40 PM)
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Is it me or is Makoto the biggest victim of "it can't be helped"? I feel like she says in in every other group chat.

If you got rid of all of Mitsurur's skills besides Marin Karin in FES, I don't think I would notice.
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SomTervo
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(04-21-2017, 05:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by silva1991

Obligatory since we are talking about P3 AI


Lol I never finished this version and I'm tempted to replay it and finish it.(only finished P3P)

Once unlocked, in P3 I pretty much set one character to 'support/heal' no matter what battle I was in and that's all they ever did.

I'm probably not even halfway through P3: FES, and I've still got P4 to go before I try out P5...

Persona 4: Golden is pretty much said to be the best version of P4, right? Like, I don't want to buy a Vita literally just to play that.
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nOoblet16
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(04-21-2017, 05:49 PM)
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Man good luck playing P3P on PSTV and not throwing up.
Rhaknar
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(04-21-2017, 05:51 PM)
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Nah, zero chance ill max out all confidants. Oh well.
nOoblet16
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(04-21-2017, 05:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Rhaknar

Nah, zero chance ill max out all confidants. Oh well.

Do it in NG+, there's so much time.
ShadowSoldier89
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(04-21-2017, 05:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by lightning2k3

Its basically a vita without the screen. It still uses the vita memory cards. At this point though i would recommend considering a vita itself. Playing persona on the go is a magical experience.

I use my PSTV far more than my actual Vita. Been playing Atelier. I would hate playing Persona away from home. Its a series to fall back and get absorbed into, not pick up and play.
Sumio Mondo
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(04-21-2017, 05:59 PM)
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Is there a level cap in this game?
LiK
(04-21-2017, 06:00 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sumio Mondo

Is there a level cap in this game?

99, i think
ThatChairMan
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(04-21-2017, 06:02 PM)
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Originally Posted by BassForever

I'd say 90% of the time in p3 fes the ai would do exactly what I wanted them to do since persona combat is fairly automatic with exploit weaknesses for one mores. 5% of the time they did something I wouldn't have done and it worked out or was nbd (debuff or alignment on enemy, hit enemy for resist/null), 5% of the time it did stupid af things (prioritized healing someone other then the mc, tried to spam status magic on a boss).

That was pretty much my experience with it. It was just a matter of making sure the correct tactics were set, and having to deal with emergency healing if the dedicated heal/support decided to use a single target instead of multi target heal.
zulux21
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(04-21-2017, 06:02 PM)
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so gotta say not far into palace 5 but it's my favorite palace theme so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmEjMmvt1Qg <---- song has spoiler for whose palace it is, to be fair the game spoils such info when ever you are going to move onto the next palace anyways but figured I would mention it lol.
nOoblet16
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(04-21-2017, 06:05 PM)
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Originally Posted by zulux21

so gotta say not far into palace 5 but it's my favorite palace theme so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmEjMmvt1Qg <---- song has spoiler for whose palace it is, to be fair the game spoils such info when ever you are going to move onto the next palace anyways but figured I would mention it lol.

Palace 5 theme the best? This must be opposite day !!
PK Gaming
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(04-21-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by nOoblet16

Palace 5 theme the best? This must be opposite day !!

Even the Palace 5 theme haters have to admit that this part is amazing.
StereoVsn
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(04-21-2017, 06:07 PM)
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Originally Posted by SomTervo

Once unlocked, in P3 I pretty much set one character to 'support/heal' no matter what battle I was in and that's all they ever did.

I'm probably not even halfway through P3: FES, and I've still got P4 to go before I try out P5...

Persona 4: Golden is pretty much said to be the best version of P4, right? Like, I don't want to buy a Vita literally just to play that.

You can play P4DAN, P3P, and plenty of other games on Vita though, including older Persona games.
Dantis
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(04-21-2017, 06:13 PM)
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Man, the exposition drop in November is fucking endless.

I had forgotten how long it goes on for.
daveo42
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(04-21-2017, 06:13 PM)
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12/24 (massive post boss spoiler): Final boss was insane. Felt like a true final boss too with all the crazy stuff to deal with. After that fight tho...Mona ;_;

Then Joker turning himself in?! Fuck me and this guy...dude is a boss

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