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v1ncelis
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(09-20-2015, 11:20 PM)
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What I want/Will not happen
Sony London - The Getaway III (no love from Sony. Stuck with move/VR demos)
Polyphony - Tourist Trophy 2/GT7 TT DLC
Evolution - WRC (Sony is on a mission to reduce this studio + not sure how expensive is wrc license at the moment)
Last but not least - give Colony Wars/Warhawk/Socom/Wipeout to competent studios (since original ones are dead) and please revive them Sony!
The God
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(09-20-2015, 11:20 PM)
I hope Cambridge is taking over Resistance instead of Killzone.
Alo0oy
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(09-20-2015, 11:20 PM)
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Guerrilla Cambridge and Amsterdam are the same studio, just FIY, so when Guerrilla said they're not done with KZ they probably mean that their Cambridge team is working on it.

Also, you're missing Hot Shots Golf & Bloodborne from Japan Studio.
FelipeMGM
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(09-20-2015, 11:23 PM)
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Love threads like this.

I just think you are missing some SSM co-developed and published games like Wattam and Edith Finch.

Would also be cool for some fp IP made by non Fp studios like RIME and Shadow Of The Beast
Shikamaru Ninja
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(09-20-2015, 11:24 PM)
I still would like to see a further expansion of SCE Studios. I think they would be particularly smart to invest in Canada and China also. Most importantly, drop the AAA mega-budget insistence and embrace some B-budget and smaller scale titles.
Alo0oy
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(09-20-2015, 11:24 PM)
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Originally Posted by Inoa_K

SCE Santa Monica is also working with Giant Sparrow on "What Remains of Edith Finch".

It looks really interesting !

Trailer :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_2NOLQNIg

Gameplay :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDKrEbXm7E

Santa Monica are only publishing it, I don't think they have hands in developing it.
Juan29.zapata
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(09-20-2015, 11:25 PM)
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Lots of PS3 games missing from some devs there. Aside from that, awesome work! Can't wait to see the projects from the Partner Studios.

It's ironic to see how people were easily discarding Japan Studios like 2 years ago, and now they seem to be doing the best work (counting out Naughty Dog of course). Very excited for Gravity Daze and TLG.
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(09-20-2015, 11:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alo0oy

Santa Monica are only publishing it, I don't think they have hands in developing it.

I don't think SMS does that. They are a developer, either of their titles or in collaboration with other studios.
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(09-20-2015, 11:26 PM)
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Originally Posted by Alo0oy

Santa Monica are only publishing it, I don't think they have hands in developing it.

Santa Monica is there for tech help and funding. They act as producers of sorts, sometimes jumping in when needed.
Servbot24
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(09-20-2015, 11:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Juan29.zapata

Lots of PS3 games missing from some devs there. Aside from that, awesome work! Can't wait to see the projects from the Partner Studios.

It's ironic to see how people were easily discarding Japan Studios like 2 years ago, and now they seem to be doing the best work (counting out Naughty Dog of course). Very excited for Gravity Daze and TLG.

To be fair we have no idea how good the work is yet, but they do have the games I'm most excited about :)
Shikamaru Ninja
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(09-20-2015, 11:28 PM)

Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I don't think SMS does that. They are a developer, either of their titles or in collaboration with other studios.

SCE Santa Monica has a huge external production group. Everything other than God of War is pretty much that scenario.
Juan29.zapata
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(09-20-2015, 11:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shikamaru Ninja

I still would like to see a further expansion of SCE Studios. I think they would be particularly smart to invest in Canada and China also. Most importantly, drop the AAA mega-budget insistence and embrace some B-budget and smaller scale titles.

I think an expansion into Canada would be wise, considering the tax breaks they used to give to developers there. However, I believe they made big cuts to those breaks, and now do them when the developer integrates Canadian culture or something. I could be confusing it with other governments' policies though.

Originally Posted by Servbot24

To be fair we have no idea how good the work is yet, but they do have the games I'm most excited about :)

Oh yeah, absolutely. Just hoping for the best!
Alo0oy
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(09-20-2015, 11:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by Ninja Scooter

I don't think SMS does that. They are a developer, either of their titles or in collaboration with other studios.

Originally Posted by sn00zer

Santa Monica is there for tech help and funding. They act as producers of sorts, sometimes jumping in when needed.

afaik, they only publish those games, their collaborations started on PS3 when Sony didn't allow self-publishing yet, so Santa Monica started publishing them on PSN for them, & it just stayed that way on PS4 because that's how it's always been, besides, indie studios usually get a bigger budget & marketing support from Santa Monica.

They're not like Japan Studio where they help with the actual development of the games.
Last edited by Alo0oy; 09-20-2015 at 11:32 PM.
Dreadx_Jecht
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(09-20-2015, 11:35 PM)
I wonder if sucker punch's new game is a new ip.
Alo0oy
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(09-20-2015, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dreadx_Jecht

I wonder if sucker punch's new game is a new ip.

I don't why people want a new IP, the inFamous IP is most likely more unique in today's market than any other genre they can think of.

Open world superhero game? There's batman and...?

On the other hand, every other genre is crowded by third parties & first parties alike.
Jigorath
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(09-20-2015, 11:38 PM)
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I had no idea Media Molecule was so small.
The God
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(09-20-2015, 11:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Alo0oy

I don't why people want a new IP, the inFamous IP is most likely more unique in today's market than any other genre they can think of.

Open world superhero game? There's batman and...?

On the other hand, every other genre is crowded by third parties & first parties alike.

They can make something that's new and unique at the same time. I like Infamous but I want to see them try something new.
JuanLatino
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(09-20-2015, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jigorath

I had no idea Media Molecule was so small.

i couldn't believe that only 15 people worked on tearaway

extremely talented and creative studio
Shikamaru Ninja
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(09-20-2015, 11:42 PM)

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Ninja

Small note - but the studios aren't named "Sony Bend Studio" or "Sony San Diego Studio" but rather "SCE Bend Studio" and "SCE San Diego Studio".

Remember, Sony and Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) are different entities, meaning that Sony Bend could be making toasters and televisions as opposed to SCE Bend who is specifically a content creator for Playstation.

Also, why hasn't SCE Foster City ever housed R&D. They have the facilities.
JuanLatino
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(09-20-2015, 11:45 PM)
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Originally Posted by Shikamaru Ninja

Small note - but the studios aren't named "Sony Bend Studio" or "Sony San Diego Studio" but rather "SCE Bend Studio" and "SCE San Diego Studio".

Remember, Sony and Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) are different entities, meaning that Sony Bend could be making toasters and televisions as opposed to SCE Bend who is specifically a content creator for Playstation.

fixed that, thanks for reminding me :)
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Dreadx_Jecht
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(09-20-2015, 11:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Alo0oy

I don't why people want a new IP, the inFamous IP is most likely more unique in today's market than any other genre they can think of.

Open world superhero game? There's batman and...?

On the other hand, every other genre is crowded by third parties & first parties alike.


I like infamous, but I'd like to see them branch out. I hate when studios only do sequels.
WraithWalker1893
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(09-20-2015, 11:52 PM)
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It's gonna be inFAMOUS 3 guys, and that's fine by me. The more iF, the better.
Sam Bishop
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(09-20-2015, 11:53 PM)

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Ninja

Also, why hasn't SCE Foster City ever housed R&D. They have the facilities.

Where do you think the bulk of PSVR research and development happened? Also, it's probably because I have to deal with it so much at work, but PlayStation is InterCapped.
Freeman
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(09-20-2015, 11:56 PM)
I hope that Santa Monica's next game is a new IP and that evolution next game is another Motorstorm.
LifeBrandRobot
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(09-21-2015, 12:02 AM)
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Damnn Studio Japan has a lot of employees lol. That Allan Becker story was a pretty interesting read. I loved Bloodborne and all their Vita games so he's doing a bang up job.
FelipeMGM
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(09-21-2015, 12:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by Alo0oy

afaik, they only publish those games, their collaborations started on PS3 when Sony didn't allow self-publishing yet, so Santa Monica started publishing them on PSN for them, & it just stayed that way on PS4 because that's how it's always been, besides, indie studios usually get a bigger budget & marketing support from Santa Monica.

They're not like Japan Studio where they help with the actual development of the games.

They are co-developed, SSM even incubates the studios some time. I think they do some coding work as well, leaving the creativity side for the original studios
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Alo0oy
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(09-21-2015, 12:05 AM)
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Originally Posted by The God

They can make something that's new and unique at the same time. I like Infamous but I want to see them try something new.

Originally Posted by Dreadx_Jecht

I like infamous, but I'd like to see them branch out. I hate when studios only do sequels.

They can't do anything new that isn't being covered massively by other studios, the inFamous games are very unique, open world superhero games are very rare in today's market. What genre can they do? TPS? FPS? RPG? MMO? Sports? Platformer? Driving game?

There's nothing like inFamous out there, while Second Son was a let down compared to inFamous 2, that was the fault of that game specifically, not the IP or the genre, since the IP & the genre are both extremely unique.

inFamous 2 had a lively world, varying side quests, your choices did matter and they did make a difference in the end, it had only one power but it was massively more fleshed out than the 4 generic powers in Second Son, it had varying environments, user created content, a far better story, & the characters didn't just disappear abruptly, & you could actually become a supervillain in the end. The only thing SS did better was voice acting & graphics.

They just need to go back to the inFamous 2 format (complete with the comic book cutscenes), & expand on it with a bigger world, more choices, & even more varying side quests, & bring back the user created content. I wouldn't even mind a created character as the protagonist.
Percy
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(09-21-2015, 12:07 AM)
Wasn't there some new Sony internal studio with some shitty sounding name who recently announced a Twisted Metal rip off called Hardware Rivals or something as well?

I'm spotty on the details because I wasn't paying too much attention tbh.
Loudninja
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(09-21-2015, 12:08 AM)
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15 years of innovative and diverse games have defined our studio's strong internal and external legacy. As we at Santa Monica Studio continue our odyssey ahead to develop great games for the PlayStation 4, both with our internal studio and our external dev partners, it seemed befitting to showcase all of our games within the framework of our new, unified studio logo.

The goal - create a flexible identity for all of our games, a united banner for all we do. The games we create at Santa Monica Studio become the very essence of who we are as a studio, and vice versa. Our games are the studio’s brand, and now our logo exemplifies who we are.

Our studio logo, with its bold, simple structure can become a frame to the world of our games, filled with elements of the game such as key colors, textures, game content and screenshots. When you see the new animated logo boot up with our next external dev games such as Fat Princess: Adventures, you’ll further understand how we crafted a mark that allows our games to visually become part of the brand.

Make sure to visit our GAMES section to learn about every game we've produced from our internal and exertnal development teams. You may find some surprising discoveries of games you never even knew we assisted on. These incredible PlayStation games have defined the first 15 years of our studio. #GreatnessAwaits for the next 15! Follow us

http://sms.playstation.com/news/15-y...ampaign=buffer
jackissocool
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(09-21-2015, 12:10 AM)
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Originally Posted by Alo0oy

afaik, they only publish those games, their collaborations started on PS3 when Sony didn't allow self-publishing yet, so Santa Monica started publishing them on PSN for them, & it just stayed that way on PS4 because that's how it's always been, besides, indie studios usually get a bigger budget & marketing support from Santa Monica.

They're not like Japan Studio where they help with the actual development of the games.

They definitely assist on development. These studios are not publishers. The publisher is SCE.
Kasper
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(09-21-2015, 12:13 AM)
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Originally Posted by JuanLatino

i couldn't believe that only 15 people worked on tearaway

extremely talented and creative studio

About 25 people worked on Tearaway. I also imagine they probably outsourced some asset creation and such (as is the norm), but I can't find any specific quotes on that. I do remember reading or hearing about it though, back when the game first came out.

That doesn't take away from the fact that it's an impressive effort, however.
The God
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(09-21-2015, 12:14 AM)

Originally Posted by Alo0oy

They can't do anything new that isn't being covered massively by other studios, the inFamous games are very unique, open world superhero games are very rare in today's market. What genre can they do? TPS? FPS? RPG? MMO? Sports? Platformer? Driving game?

There's nothing like inFamous out there, while Second Son was a let down compared to inFamous 2, that was the fault of that game specifically, not the IP or the genre, since the IP & the genre are both extremely unique.

inFamous 2 had a lively world, varying side quests, your choices did matter and they did make a difference in the end, it had only one power but it was massively more fleshed out than the 4 generic powers in Second Son, it had varying environments, user created content, a far better story, & the characters didn't just disappear abruptly, & you could actually become a supervillain in the end. The only thing SS did better was voice acting & graphics.

They just need to go back to the inFamous 2 format (complete with the comic book cutscenes), & expand on it with a bigger world, more choices, & even more varying side quests, & bring back the user created content. I wouldn't even mind a created character as the protagonist.

I don't really like the idea of them making more Infamous games just because there's nothing else like it at the moment. They can do whatever they want for their next game, there's always new ideas.
jackissocool
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(09-21-2015, 12:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by Kasper

About 25 people worked on Tearaway. I also imagine they probably outsourced some asset creation and such (as is the norm), but I can't find any specific quotes on that. I do remember reading or hearing about it though, back when the game first came out.

That doesn't take away from the fact that it's an impressive effort, however.

The initial game was only a team of twelve. They increased it with support from an outside studio for Unfolded.
JuanLatino
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(09-21-2015, 12:18 AM)
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i tought 15 people worked on tearaway based on this article?

Tearaway has been in development for around a year, with a team of 15 within Media Molecule working on the game and with Rex Crowle and co-founder David Smith leading the project.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...second-project
DigSCCP
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(09-21-2015, 12:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by Dreadx_Jecht

I wonder if sucker punch's new game is a new ip.

I would love to see a Jak and Daxter made by them!
I dont think ND is coming back to the ip and I think SP hás the expertise nedeed to do a new Jak game.
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(09-21-2015, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by Loudninja

http://sms.playstation.com/news/15-y...ampaign=buffer

With external stuff, think of SMS like the North American version of Sony XDev, which handles external dev projects like Until Dawn, Resogun, LBP franchise, Murasaki Baby, Quantic Dream's projects, etc.
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Harlequin
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(09-21-2015, 12:30 AM)

Originally Posted by v1ncelis

What I want/Will not happen
Sony London - The Getaway III (no love from Sony. Stuck with move/VR demos)
Polyphony - Tourist Trophy 2/GT7 TT DLC
Evolution - WRC (Sony is on a mission to reduce this studio + not sure how expensive is wrc license at the moment)
Last but not least - give Colony Wars/Warhawk/Socom/Wipeout to competent studios (since original ones are dead) and please revive them Sony!

I'd love to get sequels to Heavenly Sword and The Order: 1886 but those are extremely unlikely to happen, I suppose :(.

I am really excited to see Quantic Dream's new project, though, and Horizon looks amazing, as well.
Alo0oy
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(09-21-2015, 12:30 AM)
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Originally Posted by The God

I don't really like the idea of them making more Infamous games just because there's nothing else like it at the moment. They can do whatever they want for their next game, there's always new ideas.

I'd rather them make something unique, instead of making something I can play from other studios.

It's fine if you don't like superhero stuff, but there's audience for that genre (especially comic book fans), & Sony's main differentiator from other platforms is that they make games that satisfy varying demographics, they don't focus on one demographic group like their competitors. There are people that own Playstation only for Japanese games (because it's the only viable platform for a huge amount of Japanese games), or only for MLB, or LBP...etc. Their exclusives usually don't have the same demographics (GAFers play everything, but I'm talking about the general consumer here).

I don't think Sony will suddenly change after three generations, they'll continue covering all the genres for the foreseeable future.
Kasper
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(09-21-2015, 12:31 AM)
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Originally Posted by jackissocool

The initial game was only a team of twelve. They increased it with support from an outside studio for Unfolded.

Not according to Media Molecules Michelle Ducker and James Spafford.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...nd-having-fun/

Edit:

Because this is not the only game you’re working on now is it… [Media Molecule has announced a PS4 title, but have yet to name it or give real details]

J: No it’s not, and for a tiny studio making two games is quite a lot. The Tearaway team is probably about twenty people.

M: There are probably about twenty to twenty five people.

Koobion
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(09-21-2015, 12:32 AM)
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Originally Posted by Acquiescence

Heh, my two most anticipated games right now are both from the same studio. Should they deliver, that'll more than make up for the disaster that is Knack.

Mine too, though I liked Knack.

I appreciate the information, as I learned a few things. I somehow missed Barlog slipping.
silva1991
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(09-21-2015, 12:36 AM)
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I didn't know that MLB was made by Sony! great thread.

man I hope SP make games like Sly cooper again :(
Dreadx_Jecht
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(09-21-2015, 12:40 AM)

Originally Posted by DigSCCP

I would love to see a Jak and Daxter made by them!
I dont think ND is coming back to the ip and I think SP hás the expertise nedeed to do a new Jak game.

That's an interesting thought, given their experience with the sly cooper series.
pixelation
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(09-21-2015, 12:40 AM)
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Words cannot express my sadness for what has become of the once might SCEJ, their output is woefully low... if only they could recapture their PS1/PS2 era magic and whimsy.
Shikamaru Ninja
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(09-21-2015, 12:41 AM)

Originally Posted by pixelation

Words cannot express my sadness for what has become of the once might SCEJ, their output is woefully low... if only they could recapture their PS1/PS2 era magic and whimsy.

I actually wondered why SCEJ is soo low on Japanese development. Shouldn't they have like an SCE Tokyo and SCE Osaka - kind of get some development studios going throughout Japan.
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(09-21-2015, 12:42 AM)
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Originally Posted by pixelation

Words cannot express my sadness for what has become of the once might SCEJ, their output is woefully low... if only they could recapture their PS1/PS2 era magic and whimsy.

Their output is fine.

They release like 3 things last year should be 2 this year and 4 next year.
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pixelation
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(09-21-2015, 12:45 AM)
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Originally Posted by Loudninja

Their output is fine.

They release like 3 things last year should be 2 this year and 3 next year.

I could've sworn that their output was higher back then, maybe it's just the diversity of it then...
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(09-21-2015, 12:47 AM)
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Originally Posted by Alo0oy

I'd rather them make something unique, instead of making something I can play from other studios.

It's fine if you don't like superhero stuff, but there's audience for that genre (especially comic book fans), & Sony's main differentiator from other platforms is that they make games that satisfy varying demographics, they don't focus on one demographic group like their competitors. There are people that own Playstation only for Japanese games (because it's the only viable platform for a huge amount of Japanese games), or only for MLB, or LBP...etc. Their exclusives usually don't have the same demographics (GAFers play everything, but I'm talking about the general consumer here).

I don't think Sony will suddenly change after three generations, they'll continue covering all the genres for the foreseeable future.

You keep going on about how Sucker Punch have to do InFamous because it's unique and that there's nothing else they can do. They have already made three InFamous games and some extras, sometimes while the competition had Batman and Prototype but just because there might not be something like it that compares on the market, it doesn't mean Sucker Punch can't do something else.

It would be very refreshing seeing them take a break from InFamous and either create a new IP for Sony or do something with their other franchises.

I don't see InFamous as an absolute need in Sony's line-up.

Originally Posted by pixelation

Words cannot express my sadness for what has become of the once might SCEJ, their output is woefully low... if only they could recapture their PS1/PS2 era magic and whimsy.

I think they're doing fine really.

Originally Posted by DigSCCP

I would love to see a Jak and Daxter made by them!
I dont think ND is coming back to the ip and I think SP hás the expertise nedeed to do a new Jak game.

I wouldn't mind seeing Sucker Punch on Jak & Daxter and do something new with it.
Shikamaru Ninja
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(09-21-2015, 12:47 AM)

Originally Posted by Loudninja

Their output is fine.

They release like 3 things last year should be 2 this year and 4 next year.

Actual internal products? Most of their products seem outsourced heavily.
Loudninja
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(09-21-2015, 12:49 AM)
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Originally Posted by Shikamaru Ninja

Actual internal products? Most of their products seem outsourced heavily.

This is they way they always been.
fedexpeon
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(09-21-2015, 12:49 AM)
Kind of sad that Santa Monica Studios has become one of the worse studios for Sony in term of AAA development this generation.
They "helped" with The Order, but the series was never their IP.
I don't think we will see anything from them until 2017, they are so behind the curve.
GOW is an old IP too =/.

And Guerilla probably now leads all WWS as the most efficient devs. Split into multiple teams to develop AAA IP titles and working on PSVR too.
Should give more funding to GG instead of SMS and just delay GOW to 2018-2020.

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