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Valve likes the Wii, not so much the PS3
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element
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the hardware is one thing, but the support is another. Sony has been just flat out stupid in their support. If you are going to make such complex hardware then provide tools so developer can take advantage of it. Sony pretty much has just given devs a box and said 'go make something because we own the market, and good luck...'Moderation Unlimited said:
In terms of dev support and tools, they are light years behind Microsoft.
Moderation Unlimited
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tHoMNZ said:Valve is in the business of making great games, not filling a blueray disk up with fmv
ok that was flame bait, sorry :x
I know you're kidding around, but there is a distinct difference between the 2 cultures. PC devs and console devs are 2 different breeds. Not just from a platform standpoint, but also, traditionally, from a genre standpoint. PC games have mostly been FPS, strategy games, MMORPGs, flight sims, racing sims, etc. Console games traditionally have been much more expansive but have favored action adventure games, platformers, arcade style games (racers, brawlers, fighters, and flight games), story-driven games, (action) RPGs, Sports games, etc.
That being said the real difference is that PC hardware has traditionally been more developer friendly and flexible, while the console environment more trying. Learing the ins and outs of embedded proprietary hardware has its pros (extract most out of closed environment) and cons (frustrating to work with limitations).
DarkJediKnight
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Gek54 said:
How about he makes a game that doesn't make me nauscious.
Moderation Unlimited
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element said:
Agreed. Sony sucks in that department. I have a question, though.
There tools are obviously not as good as Microsofts, but would you say that their is a language/culture barrier in their support department? Or is it that they are neglectful?
MickeyKnox
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I'm calling bullshit. There has yet to be a link and I cannot see a grown man speaking in an interview the way a 12 year old does on a forum.
Oldschoolgamer
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MickeyKnox said:
Yea, I couldn't find a link to a thing either. Funny though.
_Alkaline_
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BigBoss said:
element
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Sony doesn't know what Sony is doing. At Microsoft, you go to one building and everything from hardware to software is in one building. Every decision, every tool that is made is developed under one roof.Moderation Unlimited said:
I think Sony is trying because MS has really put the pressure on them, but Sony isn't a software company, so they in a certain way don't get it. I think language and culture has some minor points to it as well, but nothing that couldn't be taken care of with good direction and planning.
Moderation Unlimited
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Amir0x said:
People's dreams were shattered when they realized next-gen was to be a PC wrapped up in a different box and placed in their entertainment center. I wish console maker's stayed away from PC parts. It would have kept PC-type games where they belong...on the PC. Proprietary FTW!
MasterMFauli
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C- Warrior said:
Are you stupid or what?
I agree with him, and there´s nothing bad about it. People citicised Nintendo for over 10 years, now Sony made many major mistakes and people criticise that.
Offending a person on a personal level because of his opinion is just poor.
Kevtones said:
I didn't know they let Nintendo fans drink, I mean you guys are raving lunatics sober, I can only imagine how batshit insane you guys must be when you're drunk. It does explain your post history though.
Well my "troll" comment did drive him to drink so it must've hit a nerve.
Grampa Simpson
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I wasn't going to say anything, but I'm being kept awake by how wrong-headed you are in a lot of your posts. Maybe you should go back to lurking for a while or something. Read some articles on arstechnica too please. I'm too tired to point by point, and I don't want to be mean, but wow. Just wow.Moderation Unlimited said:
Sleep now.
PhoenixDark
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WARCOCK said:
Oh no you didn't
Newell's hatred and discontent with multicore programming is well documented, in fact there's been more than one topic on this very forum concerning interview's he's given where he's expressed his dislike of multicore-based systems and platforms.
So, him liking the Wii - essentially a previous generation, single core system - over the PS3 and the 360, is not unexpected.
Enough has been made about his weight, but I just have to say, if you're content giving interviews and having your picture taken for said interviews with food stains all over your XXXL polo you sort of ask for the snide remarks in regard to your weight.
So, him liking the Wii - essentially a previous generation, single core system - over the PS3 and the 360, is not unexpected.
Enough has been made about his weight, but I just have to say, if you're content giving interviews and having your picture taken for said interviews with food stains all over your XXXL polo you sort of ask for the snide remarks in regard to your weight.
jaundicejuice
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Some of you don't like what he says so you go straight to the personal attacks? That's just sad. I'm curious, how will some of you bash Carmack given that he's of a like mind, I guess since he has stated his frustrations developing for multi-core processors, the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 more kindly, and he isn't overweight the responses won't be as harsh?
I think it's refreshing to hear someone's honest opinions, like the drunken Jaffe interview, in an era of so much spin doctoring, smoke and mirrors. He said what he thought, no need to hit below the belt.
Some of you mentioned VALVe potentially making a game for the Wii, to which I can only point out the hamstrung Xbox port of Half-Life 2 and the fact that the Wii ain't much more powerful than the Xbox...soooo I wouldn't hold my breath for Team Fortress 2 or Portal for the Wii. Or rather I wouldn't hold my breath for quality ports.
Great PC dev, but they've yet to prove themselves in the console arena.
I think it's refreshing to hear someone's honest opinions, like the drunken Jaffe interview, in an era of so much spin doctoring, smoke and mirrors. He said what he thought, no need to hit below the belt.
Some of you mentioned VALVe potentially making a game for the Wii, to which I can only point out the hamstrung Xbox port of Half-Life 2 and the fact that the Wii ain't much more powerful than the Xbox...soooo I wouldn't hold my breath for Team Fortress 2 or Portal for the Wii. Or rather I wouldn't hold my breath for quality ports.
Great PC dev, but they've yet to prove themselves in the console arena.
Normally I trust people who say they've got the latest issue of whatever mag. However, with the recent rash of people creating fake stories to "pwn the intratubes", I'll hold out until more people start confirming this.
And I'm not disparaging gek; merely questioning the original poster on TXB.
And I'm not disparaging gek; merely questioning the original poster on TXB.
imastalker co.
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good thing you're not gonna make any games for what you think is gonna be the market leader gabe.
you could've (and still can), have the genre all to yourself on Wii.
maybe if i make another thread about it, he'll do it :lol
you could've (and still can), have the genre all to yourself on Wii.
maybe if i make another thread about it, he'll do it :lol
Moderation Unlimited
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bmf said:
Now that's just silly. The only part I would say that worth being contested of what I said is how easy it is for PC devs. I understand its hard working with the lowest common denominator in mind and that your game has to scale for many different configurations of hardware. But the programming environment has traditionally been more robust. What's not obvious about that?
Oh, and I read arstechnica all the time.
Edit: it's also funny that my post count is nearly twice yours. Who's the one that's lurking?
jaundicejuice said:
Wait. Look at this!~
Half-life 2 runs on source.
TF2 runs on source.
Xbox can run a tweaked version of source for it.
Wii> or = Xbox
Wii can run TF2!
Take hdr out and what not, i really dont see why not. With proper tweaking im pretty sure wii can handle hl2 and mods.
kisakiproject
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I want a valve Wii game. It wouldn't suck like RS. For the record I think people underestimate PS3. Not that its gonna "win" but its gonna do better than people think IMO.
jaundicejuice
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WARCOCK said:
Fixed.
I also don't see any of those companies getting their games out on 3 platforms simultaneously. All of those companies you just listed pour all of their resources into the PS3 version and don't have to worry about being able to get the game running on PC/360. Some developers have accused Sony of intentionally designing the CELL so that developers would not be able to port games easily and would end up spending their whole budget on the PS3 version.Moderation Unlimited said:
jaundicejuice
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I'll just say this and leave it be...
Being excited about something that may only be on par with the Xbox port of Half-Life 2 is like being hyped about the Playstation 2 version of a Splinter Cell.
Being excited about something that may only be on par with the Xbox port of Half-Life 2 is like being hyped about the Playstation 2 version of a Splinter Cell.
Demigod Mac
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jaundicejuice said:
Wiiskulls are impermeable to logic. After all, they're also excited about Maple Story on DS.
imastalker co.
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exactly like that. cause those teams share the same pedigree as valve.squicken said:
Demigod Mac
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You do realize that Macs are Intel-based and can run Windows and all games (including Source Engine) at full speed?
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imastalker co.
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sounds like gabe realized that when it comes to computers.... operating system > gamesBorys said:I can't believe he said "PC gamers! Upgrade
Demigod Mac
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WARCOCK said:
Oh dear. I've demonstrated that you are utterly wrong, and now you start spinning like a top. Performance? You were doubting that Mac hardware could run Source in the first place.
http://www.cabel.name/2006/04/boot-camp-first-look-half-life-2-video.html
Your words, 'WARCOCK'.
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