Polls have come out that show the majority of Canadians don't actually care about electoral reform. The loudest are the NDP supporters that thought it was their way to get elected
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Polls have come out that show the majority of Canadians don't actually care about electoral reform. The loudest are the NDP supporters that thought it was their way to get elected
Phrozenflame500
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Could be better, could be a lot worse. There are things he disappointed me on, but I still prefer him to any of the candidates that were up for election.
gutter_trash
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Leader of the Free World!!!!
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Sure, everything could be better in a hypothetical world. The problem is we don't live in a hypothetical world. The last elections the three options we had (theoretically the 3 best possible options offered up by each party), there is no way anyone can honestly say that picking either the Cons or NDP that it would have been better.
You Are Viewtiful
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Would anyone argue that the Trudeau government isn't the most progressive federal government Canada has ever seen? The only one who gives him a run for his money is his dad. I'm taken aback by how many disappointed people there are.
I don't know if the "Leader of the free world" titles are warranted, but he's a million times better than that shrieking orange shitstain in the US. At least he seems like a good man that cares about minorities and LGBTQ+ people, whereas Trump displays a simmering hatred at best.
tomwhite2004
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Guys a hypocrite, typical politician.
I voted for Trudeau and so far I'm mixed with him.He has done some really good things but there is alot of stuff he hasn't come through on yet. I usually vote NDP but decided to give Trudeau a chance because I was disappointed with Mulclair. Trudeau genuinely cares though I feel and he has his head in the right places on a lot of things but right now he is a lot of talk and not a ton of doing for Canadians. He is definitely a good person like comparing him to Trump it's no contest and you can tell Trump is a dick and not a good person in any way. He is certainly someone I feel I could get behind given more time but right now I don't know if I'd vote for him again but I'm not sure if I want the NDP right now and forget the Conservatives not even a chance hell.
I feel like if we got a coalition, the NDP would have made electoral reform contingent on passing a budget, because the NDP knows they'll never be able to form a government under the current system.
Saying that, I like Trudeau's leadership so far, simply because as others have pointed out, he's one of the few non-nationalist loonies in the West right now. He's just plain-Jane normal.
For me, electoral reform is a non-issue. Frankly, I don't want it and Trudeau's justifications echo my thoughts, I don't want fringe parties that can't win a seat outright, but may be able to gather a point or two across the country in toto getting representation in parliament.
Don't hate me but I answered an Angus Reid poll that I was randomly selected for pretty much saying I don't want electoral reform
Because it's all about hyperboles and purity these days. Either you close the oil sands overnight, or you're a huge hypocrite and a disaster for the planet (see that Guardian article). Either you approve all pipelines, or you're a "Laurentian Elite" who wants to destroy Alberta. Either you decriminalize all drugs now, or your legalization plan is just cash-grab scheme and a way to put even more people in jail. There's no freaking middle ground.
gutter_trash
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the Far-Left are just as nuts as Mélanchon and Corbyn.
they have no clue what governing actually entails
Mulcair is just bad-postured hunchback bearded man who yells at clouds while shopping for a Federal Party to get a paycheck
Bubba_Sparks
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One of my Facebook friends is a professor in Political Science and he hates Trudeau and the Liberals. The electoral reform falling through really pissed him and others off.
... I might not use these words, but this feels like it rings true. I used the word pragmatic for a reason when it comes to Trudeau.
KernelPanic
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Chances are I'll vote for him again unless he massively fails and the CPC doesn't elect some nut.
I'll never vote NDP.
I'll never vote NDP.
Exactly right. Glad I voted for him, and though my heart is with the NDP, I'm far more concerned with keeping the CPC out of power. I know a few Purity Progressives who would rather throw their vote away and divide the left than vote Liberal. I do not understand these people. I'll be right there with them if we kill FPTP, and I'm incredibly disappointed in the PM for walking back on his promise, but I'm also a realist. He's not perfect, but Trudeau is great for Canada.
Subpar Spatula
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This is a given for any leader. It's whether or not the good outweigh the bad.
The Liberals are gonna keep Electoral Reform on the back burner until the next election draws a bit closer. How they'll approach it will be based entirely on their odds of winning another majority.
OpinionatedCyborg
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The first 3 months of Trudea's government made me happy that he's in power. He's not great, but he rolled back a lot of stupid things Harper was doing. We're back to the status quo where we at least pay lip service to science and don't promote a bunch of American-style policies. Honestly, it's like night and day.
I'd like electoral reform, but I didn't think it would actually happen. It's a can of worms. And if it did happen, it would've been some system that would disproportionately benefit the Liberals. This must've been the first election for some people and they don't realize that politicians are liars. They also don't realize that not all campaign promises can be fulfilled. Just pick the best of the bunch and hope that the net effect is to steer the country in the right direction -- that's what the Liberals are doing IMO.
I'd like electoral reform, but I didn't think it would actually happen. It's a can of worms. And if it did happen, it would've been some system that would disproportionately benefit the Liberals. This must've been the first election for some people and they don't realize that politicians are liars. They also don't realize that not all campaign promises can be fulfilled. Just pick the best of the bunch and hope that the net effect is to steer the country in the right direction -- that's what the Liberals are doing IMO.
The NDP's insistence on proportional representation killed electoral reform. The left has to be united because fptp favours the Tories but the left couldn't decide on proportional vs preferential. No way Trudeau should ever risk the loss of a referendum and the subsiquent damage to the liberals political capital just because the NDP want some extra seats.
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Anyone who says they would prefer Mulcair over Trudeau as PM has no idea who Mulcair is other than "he's the NDP leader guy". Trudeau is a good PM, but he inherited a really shitty economy threatened by an over reliance on the US. He has very little margin. Thankfully O'Leary is out, and Bernier is a complete dumb ass, so I feel safe for now.
Angelus Errare
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economies restart every time a new leader is elected bro.
unpopularblargh
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This is my take. I usually alternate between NDP and Liberals depending on their platform. Also his Twitter sub-tweeting game is on fire. Watch what he posts whenever Trump's admin says or does something dumb.
Buba Big Guns
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Trudeau is as pragmatic as it gets.
Electoral reform is unfortunately not a big issue for most people. You'll only really see people arguing about it online. Most people just don't care or know anything about it which is very unfortunate.
In terms of the environment Trudeau is really good, probably one of the best in the world. The government is completely changing the way it looks at the environment, add to that the massive amount of investment going into clean tech and r&d. Carbon pricing is an important step and will need to massively expand in the future.
I really don't know what people think should be done for oil. Trying to suppress the industry would be completely idiotic and completely unrealistic. Instead they should be promoting and dumping money into carbon capture tech... Which is exactly what they're doing. Acting like oil shouldn't exist is so unrealistic and stupid...I don't even want to get started. The industry needs to evolve and be slowly reigned in and replaced.
Electoral reform is unfortunately not a big issue for most people. You'll only really see people arguing about it online. Most people just don't care or know anything about it which is very unfortunate.
In terms of the environment Trudeau is really good, probably one of the best in the world. The government is completely changing the way it looks at the environment, add to that the massive amount of investment going into clean tech and r&d. Carbon pricing is an important step and will need to massively expand in the future.
I really don't know what people think should be done for oil. Trying to suppress the industry would be completely idiotic and completely unrealistic. Instead they should be promoting and dumping money into carbon capture tech... Which is exactly what they're doing. Acting like oil shouldn't exist is so unrealistic and stupid...I don't even want to get started. The industry needs to evolve and be slowly reigned in and replaced.
He's not Harper, that's what a good number of people voted for.
Policy wise, nothing incredible yet and with the introduction of bill C-24 (and last I checked the majority of Canadians agree with the bill), I'm not sure how I feel about Trudeau. Will have to wait and see when his term ends.
But I count my lucky stars that he's not Trump.
Policy wise, nothing incredible yet and with the introduction of bill C-24 (and last I checked the majority of Canadians agree with the bill), I'm not sure how I feel about Trudeau. Will have to wait and see when his term ends.
But I count my lucky stars that he's not Trump.
If you think he had no charisma then you must think all the possible options from the Con's and NDP must be cardboard cutouts
excelsiorlef
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Yeah... Mulcair basically took the house that Jack built and nearly razed it to the ground, completely killed NDP's momentum.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I do wish he'd been more Trump-like when Castro died. His tearful tribute was pretty disgusting, whereas simply calling Castro out for the brutal dictator he was was one of the few times the Trump camp's "tell it like it is" strategy bore the proper fruit.
gutter_trash
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Mulcair isn't even a real social-democrat.
The guy was shopping around for any Federal party after getting into a hissy fit in Jean Charest's Quebec government.
He even knocked on the Conservatives' door for a consultant job... Didn't pan out
He just got lucky when Liberal MP Martin Cauchon vacated Outremont, and was permitted by Jack Layton to run in that riding under the NDP banner
The guy was shopping around for any Federal party after getting into a hissy fit in Jean Charest's Quebec government.
He even knocked on the Conservatives' door for a consultant job... Didn't pan out
He just got lucky when Liberal MP Martin Cauchon vacated Outremont, and was permitted by Jack Layton to run in that riding under the NDP banner
excelsiorlef
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Yup, hell even a lot of the NDP didn't like him and It was his election, imo, to lose too.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...air-too-right-says-left-wing-of-his-own-party
And let's not talk about fucking Elbowgate in terms of Mulcair's behaviour.
Dubbedinenglish
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Obama is the anti-Trump. Hoping that Manny Macaroni wins in France as well.
As far as Canada? I dunno I saw Trudeau viciously attack MPs rolling bows during a session.
As far as Canada? I dunno I saw Trudeau viciously attack MPs rolling bows during a session.
RPGCrazied
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Sure seems like it. Wish I was a Canadian right about now. America really isn't a great place to be in right now with who is trying(failing) to lead it.
Doctoglethorpe
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I'll take a "bit of a hypocrite" over a fascist egomaniacal idiot any day with a smile and a swagger.
Simon Belmont
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Hey guys, if the NDP hadn't been all 'MMP or bust' we would actually have electoral reform. It took three to tango in this scenario, and any smart political observer already knew MMP wasn't on the table. Predictably the NDP took their ball and went home because they didn't get things 100% their way.
March of the Crabs
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I hated Trudeau until the US got Trump and saw how low things could go. Still not the biggest fan but we are definitely more fortunate at the moment. We were kinda screwed last election though with no real "good" choice.
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