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Final Fantasy VII Remake shifts to internal dev under Mobius project leader
- Thread starter LordOfLore
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I do not think they truly realized just how reverently fans hold FF7.
Resources.
It takes A LOT of people to make a modern AAA game, and Square Enix only has so much staff.
We're looking at a ton of them being eaten up by Business Division 2 (300-350 people, made Final Fantasy XV, 200+ are still on the DLC with others looking at other BD2 projects) and Business Division 5 (Final Fantasy XIV, presumably still has 200-300+ people on that game alone, plus all their other projects with even more staff).
It's weird. I thought once full scale dev on FFXV winded down, internal dev on FFVIIR would ramp up hell for leather alongside CC2 development in order to get the massive project moving.
We've got two years in and it seems this 'hmm this outsourcing wasn't working, we better do it ourselves' message is nuts. Hoping we are missing major details.
Altered Juice
Member
All those people getting hyped over a cgi trailer with no gameplay back at 2015 e3
ShockingAlberto
Member
Branding.
Though I wonder what the market is of people who know about him but not his failures.
No he's not. That's Nozue. Even if that's a knock on Nomura directing FFVIIAC, he directed that after KH and KH2.
It would be more accurate to say that Based Lord Nomura-sama is an artist, game designer, writer, game director, CG director, creative producer, and all round procrastination god.
I'm actually pretty serious, he does presentation well, he builds hype and has a cultish fanbase. Those are all valuable assets, but I'm pretty sure at this point he isnt cut out to be a modern day video game director.
I totally get why they tried to pair him with Tabata, on paper those two should be able to balance each other out magnificently
Maintenance
Member
Nope because there is things like KH3 which should come out before this.
Laplasakos
Member
I am so confused about this ''project lead''. I mean it sounds as important (or more?) as the director. Could you (or someone else) could go into more details about this? Like what are the differences between project lead and director and who is higher in the positions? At this point i wonder if SE will move Nomura out of the project like Versus and let Naoki have full control.
Also, i am not surprised about the shifting to internal development. Nomura spoke openly after the PSX 2015 saying that he was not happy with CC2 results. This was from a Famitsu interview that Gematsu translated
KZXcellent
Member
I mean trailers, news, ect. I do not expect it to hit this year.
Leafhopper
Banned
I assumed, at first, the reason it was was outsourced was because they were scared about FF15 and how it would turn out. They wanted to have something not have as much risk put on them as FF15. Then it turns out FF15 made it's money back and more.
My attitude towards this, which is probably wrong is: "Hey FF15 turned out okay and that was a development nightmare, we can do this again."
Also I think this.
I thought it was neat, wasn't the hypest because FF7 isn't my favorite but I know it's probably the most known. Like other games though I didn't expect too much from it immediately.
That was regarding just the trailer. Nomura came in and gave suggestions/edited it more to his liking.
So he is like everything and nothing, the alpha and the omega.... lol
I was so hyped for this remake, but now I just try not to think about it, ready to buy a PS5 to get the Remake (they will do a PS4 and PS5 version at this rate)
InsaneTiger
Member
I am honestly surprised that development was being done externally. This news confirms what we all feared. On the outside it appears that Nomura isn't the best project lead, but I don't know. It certainly feels that whenever he is put charge, the project stalls for whatever reason. I give up on understanding Squeenix development strategy of the FF franchise at the moment.
I understand he directed KH and KH2 but what else since?
I understand he directed KH and KH2 but what else since?
Shin
Banned
Isn't that the one that kinda bombed in comparison to Exvius?
I see. Hypeman just wants to eternally hype his shit, without ever actually delivering a product. The hype must flow. For all time.
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It's about time he's sent to developer jail, Gooch-style, and occupy his time with his real passion: ogling at pictures of Gackt.
Leafhopper
Banned
Isn't that every game.
I had hope that the game will be out in late 2018 or early 2019. Now... who knows.
Knowing Square's speed of development, the game will be ready by the time PS5 arrives.
Acording to the latest stats, Mobius FF has sold 10 million copies.
Knowing Square's speed of development, the game will be ready by the time PS5 arrives.
Acording to the latest stats, Mobius FF has sold 10 million copies.
Alex
Member
Square needs to get over their issue of promoting people to roles outside of their element. They keep taking people who are clearly wonderful at a more simple, contained job and forcing them into a larger swath of power and it rarely works out.
The closest thing they have to a golden age Sakaguchi is probably Naoki Yoshida in terms of getting shit done and done right but it's still too soon for him to transition off of the XIV team at all.
The closest thing they have to a golden age Sakaguchi is probably Naoki Yoshida in terms of getting shit done and done right but it's still too soon for him to transition off of the XIV team at all.
Nomura sleeping at his desk suddenly wakes up.
"I thought up some really cool ideas that would make a really cool game! But I think I'm gonna take a nap and dream on them a bit more and maybe iron out some details."
- Procrastination God Nomura
Credits are just titles assigned to roles people do on a game. There is no real industry standardization that can be accurately applied across everything to determine seniority or whatever. In this case it's pretty straightforward, the project/development leader is the person in-charge of managing the development team and overseeing the project progress. I would say it's more of a junior producer role than a director role.
KZXcellent
Member
Every Kingdom Hearts game, they've just been portable which is why people are skeptical about him directing a HD console game.
Fredrik
Member
Are you serious??? That's insane. Has any other dev that many people for one game? No wonder most publishers push their games on every platform including mobiles now.
Mister Wolf
Member
I will rephrase it then duckroll. Nomura is a director of vaporware.
Literally 95% of people in this thread are making quips about Nomura. It's like this in any thread about Final Fantasy, even those not about this game, as well as many Sony threads. It's got boring to read.
Some Assassin's Creed titles are over 1000 employees. GTA V and Destiny 2 would also be in the 1000+ range. 300 is pretty average to on the lower end of a really major AAA game.
Destiny ,GTA and some other popular game brands have a lot more I imagine.
If most of BD2 is still on FFXV for the foreseeable future, who's going to develop this then, internally, allegedly? It will literally be Versus XIII all over again.
Leafhopper
Banned
That's true, it does happen a lot. I don't usually go into these threads all that much but, I am honestly just trying to understand how Square works as a company at this point. It's fascinating.
I actually think resources will now be shifting from XV. We knew that 70% had stayed on, but not for how long.
FFVIIr is a BD1 game. The recruitment notice is specifically for BD1.
Difference is that VSXIII didn't have any resources for development, and with this change 1st Production is working on FFVII internally.
Naoki Hamaguchi is from Business Division 1, so I would guess it's being made by the Final Fantasy XIII people.
Square looks no better. CC2 still has a history of consistent releases that SE hasn't had in ages. If CC2 had trouble, it's not likely SE was much help. Nomura is in charge now and always was. This reflects poorly on him as well. Accountability.
TetraGenesis
Member
Remember when Square-Enix was just Square and made super great games reliably in reasonable time frames?
Many other companies (not all, of course) don't work on these kind of protracted schedules, despite increased development time in general, because they have efficient project management and clear direction.
It's not easy to make a game in the 8th gen, it's not quick either, but let's be real: Square-Enix struggles with it. This is to say nothing of the quality of their games (that's another discussion) -- I'm speaking only of the efficiency of their productions.
Many other companies (not all, of course) don't work on these kind of protracted schedules, despite increased development time in general, because they have efficient project management and clear direction.
It's not easy to make a game in the 8th gen, it's not quick either, but let's be real: Square-Enix struggles with it. This is to say nothing of the quality of their games (that's another discussion) -- I'm speaking only of the efficiency of their productions.
Is it safe to assume the XIII trilogy team is working on this ?
It would make sense since Kitase probably established a good working relationship with them over the years ,and they're experienced with HD developme
Fredrik
Member
They wouldn't be able to make Business Division 2's next game if Business Division 2 actually let them go.
I imagine that's part of why they're making DLC. It helps keep staff until the next project is ready to enter full production without having to lose them to the Final Fantasy VII Remake for a decade.
ShockingAlberto
Member
RE6 had 600.
Not happening. Even in their recent recruitment messages they said it was an action game.