Just like WAMD was very obviously scum right? This is why people give you shit about speaking in absolutes.
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hey_monkey
Banned
I do think replacements introduce a new wrinkle.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I'm going out for a long walk to collect my thought on unrelated events IRL but I can't suss out any good reads except whoever called for Dragonz head needs be examined
This is such a blanket statement I'm surprised you bothered to make it.
Launch replaced moon, who was a nothing read, and I don't even have a baseline to go off of from previous games. Launch himself came in hard, and is doing a great job of at least SEEMING like town, though I question his tunneling on WAMD and Swamped. If swamped flipped town, he'd probably be my #1 scum suspect. i'm just noticing thatmoon is a no lynch vote D1 which is a big red flag for me normally.
Verelios replaced Sawneeks, who I had been ignoring mostly. I'm going to check her posts again to see whats going on there, but first, some voting stuff. Verelios hasn't really done a lot since showing up. Maybe scum who thinks they can coast for a while as a replacement.
Then Nomadic Sparks replaced Oreamunsta, who was coasting hard, which is similar to what they did in Anime when they were scum.
Semi-related, here are the people that ended on WAMD D1.
WhereAreMahDragonz
-30yearsofhurt 406 535
-Lifeline 505
-Sawneeks 589
-30yearsofhurt 609
-Swamped 616
Not a great start for Sawneeks. We know lifeline is town. Good chance we'll find out today if Swamped is. Then 30, who I think i'd happily vote for as well.
If 30 is scum, you can look at the D1 votes on him to see some interesting stuff.
30yearsofhurt
-acohrs 238
-hey_monkey 354 405
-Sawneeks 397 532
-WhereAreMahDragonz 462
Acohrs, who has a bandwagon of sorts built against him. monkey with an early fakey vote, sawneeks with an early fakey vote, and WAMD, who is town. He was on contention for a lynch yesterday near the end. Starting to think most of what happened was to save him, not BB. It's also making me rethink Swamped as I go through all of this. Anyway, so far, none of them have actively voted against 30 again today.
If Swamped is scum as well, note that none of these people I'm mentioning have votes on her except Launch.
30 is currently on Blarg, who I town read now that some sense has kicked in.
I dunno. Seems like some weird shit might be going down between Monkey, 30, Verelios(sawneeks), and Isaac.
Oh, if you're wondering what prompted all of this, it's monkey's recent comment about Isaac:
That post triggered me a bit. First, she's protecting Isaac who is probably scum. Second, it's like she knows Isaac is going to get replaced due to info from a different thread that most of us don't have access to.
With all of that said, I'm still not sure about lynching Swamped, but i definitely think acohrs is a mistake. I'm still going to go back through sawneeks/verelios osts to see if anything other than voting patterns stand out.
Verelios replaced Sawneeks, who I had been ignoring mostly. I'm going to check her posts again to see whats going on there, but first, some voting stuff. Verelios hasn't really done a lot since showing up. Maybe scum who thinks they can coast for a while as a replacement.
Then Nomadic Sparks replaced Oreamunsta, who was coasting hard, which is similar to what they did in Anime when they were scum.
Semi-related, here are the people that ended on WAMD D1.
WhereAreMahDragonz
-30yearsofhurt 406 535
-Lifeline 505
-Sawneeks 589
-30yearsofhurt 609
-Swamped 616
Not a great start for Sawneeks. We know lifeline is town. Good chance we'll find out today if Swamped is. Then 30, who I think i'd happily vote for as well.
If 30 is scum, you can look at the D1 votes on him to see some interesting stuff.
30yearsofhurt
-acohrs 238
-hey_monkey 354 405
-Sawneeks 397 532
-WhereAreMahDragonz 462
Acohrs, who has a bandwagon of sorts built against him. monkey with an early fakey vote, sawneeks with an early fakey vote, and WAMD, who is town. He was on contention for a lynch yesterday near the end. Starting to think most of what happened was to save him, not BB. It's also making me rethink Swamped as I go through all of this. Anyway, so far, none of them have actively voted against 30 again today.
If Swamped is scum as well, note that none of these people I'm mentioning have votes on her except Launch.
30 is currently on Blarg, who I town read now that some sense has kicked in.
I dunno. Seems like some weird shit might be going down between Monkey, 30, Verelios(sawneeks), and Isaac.
Oh, if you're wondering what prompted all of this, it's monkey's recent comment about Isaac:
That post triggered me a bit. First, she's protecting Isaac who is probably scum. Second, it's like she knows Isaac is going to get replaced due to info from a different thread that most of us don't have access to.
With all of that said, I'm still not sure about lynching Swamped, but i definitely think acohrs is a mistake. I'm still going to go back through sawneeks/verelios osts to see if anything other than voting patterns stand out.
hey_monkey
Banned
My guess that Isaac will be replaced comes from noticing he's not in the thread at all.
Why do you think acohrs is a mistake vs Isaac vs, say, 30? Or anyone else low - I'm still on mobile. Nomadic as Oreo replacement, probably. 30 did come in finally and tell us he had a deadline, so there's that.
I'm up for considering someone else. I just think acohrs has been trying to look like someone who is doing something while doing nothing. Isaac's biggest and only real move was yelling about Palmer a little but not with any substance.
Why do you think acohrs is a mistake vs Isaac vs, say, 30? Or anyone else low - I'm still on mobile. Nomadic as Oreo replacement, probably. 30 did come in finally and tell us he had a deadline, so there's that.
I'm up for considering someone else. I just think acohrs has been trying to look like someone who is doing something while doing nothing. Isaac's biggest and only real move was yelling about Palmer a little but not with any substance.
hey_monkey
Banned
And how am I protecting Isaac by asking if you think it's a good idea to get rid of someone to preempt having to fully re-examine a replacement? Reading into that a bit, dude. I didn't even say it was a bad idea. Are we gonna do this thing again?
I could see a case to be made for acorn being a neutral instead of scum (perhaps that's why he was eager to try and get people to read into SF's posts and find justification for a "scum" kill when it's possible now it was a neutral killer all along). I really, really don't see a good case to be made for why he's town though.
I'm pretty interested in Isaac, and 30 flips now.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
30 is pretty much playing the exact same way he played in Anime for better or worse which puts him for me more as town then scum. Same reason why oreo is on ym scum list its because before he got subbed he was playing exactly as he did in anime which was coasting and sometimes popping up and defending himself when i called him out.
Nomad is like 4th or 5th on the list I'd like to see flipped right now. His most recent post seems scummy in particular.
Any opinions on the rest?
God damn, I just subbed in yesterday and had to read through 29 pages of the game while, yeah, participating as much as possible so get out of here with that low hanging fruit. Even if you want to set up some mislynches to sway people away from your vanilla claim you don't have to be so indiscriminate.
Because Monkey is active, while the other two are not. I'm trying to abide by initial desire to not cannibalize active players. If I'm wrong, and all three are town, it's much worse for us to lose Monkey than it is to lose the other two.
yup, that's the kinda attack scum like to make against me. Zero substance. i'll come back for you after I check Sawneek's posts.
Which I anticipated would be your response, but if you flip say isaac and he's town - won't you just be back at this angle the next day but with 30?
How is telling you I just subbed in and read through the thread zero substance?
That was so last page, WAMD is dead, get over it man.
Possibly. Isaac is not AS directly part of the day end stuff, so I'd rather get 30 first for that reason. He flips town, I'm fairly sure I fucked up the whole theory. If he's scum, than we might get several scum out of the deal. Seems like it's worth the risk to me.
Despite his overreaction, Verelios and Sawneeks are further down my list right now as well than both 30 and isaac as well. I have 46 sawneeks posts to go through right now.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yes but i want to reread some stuff first, something about all of this smells fishy and its not the dead sexy fish.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Wait is there a way to to just read one users posts?
I'm not going to get over your derogatory play as town until you start doing better. You do realize had you not been mod confirmed as town you'd be the one leading the votes right? You won't have such a luxury most games and it will end exactly how it did for you in Arkham. It's like you want people to disregard your opinions.
I'd gladly flip to a 30 vote currently if that has more traction than an acorn one. I scum read both more than anyone else in the game.
hey_monkey
Banned
I would really like to know why isaac over the others and why you think acohrs isn't a threat, Palmer. Here's what I've got:
To me, the only thing that seems to move isaac from just inactive to inactive+possible scum is that when he's posted it's been really obnoxious, like a parody of scum. Which would be way too obvious in an experienced player but I'm sure could happen in a fuck the police, I won't listen to my team scum player. In fact, he's only done one thing really at all besides literally screaming for Palmer's blood - and it was voting for Swamped and thinking Swamped and Palmer are scumbuddies. But really just shitposting obnoxious nonsense.
acohrs has also done only one thing, really: a reads post on Darryl that was summary and came to nothing. Null on Darryl, maybe some connections between Darryl and LL and LaunchPad, but there's no substance in it (or in the quick follow up after). Lot of shitposting obnoxious nonsense also.
Honestly, I'd call 'em equal. I'd be fine with flipping with either. I'm less inclined to go after 30 because I prefer to give some consideration to people who say they have something going on. Now if we're voting 30 because people wanna argue for him as scum, I'd listen.
To me, the only thing that seems to move isaac from just inactive to inactive+possible scum is that when he's posted it's been really obnoxious, like a parody of scum. Which would be way too obvious in an experienced player but I'm sure could happen in a fuck the police, I won't listen to my team scum player. In fact, he's only done one thing really at all besides literally screaming for Palmer's blood - and it was voting for Swamped and thinking Swamped and Palmer are scumbuddies. But really just shitposting obnoxious nonsense.
acohrs has also done only one thing, really: a reads post on Darryl that was summary and came to nothing. Null on Darryl, maybe some connections between Darryl and LL and LaunchPad, but there's no substance in it (or in the quick follow up after). Lot of shitposting obnoxious nonsense also.
Honestly, I'd call 'em equal. I'd be fine with flipping with either. I'm less inclined to go after 30 because I prefer to give some consideration to people who say they have something going on. Now if we're voting 30 because people wanna argue for him as scum, I'd listen.
30yearsofhurt
Member
Is this your idea? Wasn't Dragz flipping scum supposed to lead to Swamped? Cause I don't want a bar of your fruit-loopery. You're shooting for scum mvp status. Can anyone sane please answer my question.
I'm not voting till I see a cognitive argument from someone. Anyone. Well anyone who isn't LL.
I can't see swamped and I cant see acohrs.
UNVOTE
I'd like to extend this question to Darryl and Swamped.
Where do you think we should go, and where do you expect us to go?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1374120
hey_monkey
Banned
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BlackBuzzard
Banned
I've been promising to do this for a few days, but here is the explanation for the scum team read I gave at the start of this day phase.
Now, a bit later, 30years asked for a reminder about his Blarglist reads. I told him, but through in a request for an acohrs read on a whim, because I honestly couldn't think of much acohrs had said. This was 30years answer to that request and my subsequent follow-up:
Through in acohrs' sketchy posts when he showed up today, and my scum read on him has only increased.
At the start of today, I was still suspicious of BB, because of how Day 1ended. That was passed on to Natiko because of their interactions at the start of Day 1. At this point however, I don't really know how to read BB at all, and I am inclined to trust Natiko's miller claim, on the basis that he seems to be making good reads and is fairly active. So I would rather focus on 30years and acohrs for now. Of those two, 30years is busy in real life, so that leaves acohrs.
Here is a large, albeit slightly incomplete list or early Day 1 votes made with little to justification, and some of the responses to those votes. My scum hunting started here; I was hoping to find signs of scum trying to lay votes or suspicion on each other in order to distance themselves from each other in the minds of town. A lot of these votes were probably made in jest, or just to get conversation going. However, the possibility that there was collusion involved couldn't be ignored.
Now, a bit later, 30years asked for a reminder about his Blarglist reads. I told him, but through in a request for an acohrs read on a whim, because I honestly couldn't think of much acohrs had said. This was 30years answer to that request and my subsequent follow-up:
Now, 30years and acohrs are two of the most invisible players in this game. 30years has given a reason for this (important real life matters), but acohrs really hasn't. Furthermore, I couldn't shake the feeling that there was something really strange about this read of 30years. A super town reading on acohrs, who had an unexplained vote on 30years from the start of the game? It didn't add up.
Through in acohrs' sketchy posts when he showed up today, and my scum read on him has only increased.
At the start of today, I was still suspicious of BB, because of how Day 1ended. That was passed on to Natiko because of their interactions at the start of Day 1. At this point however, I don't really know how to read BB at all, and I am inclined to trust Natiko's miller claim, on the basis that he seems to be making good reads and is fairly active. So I would rather focus on 30years and acohrs for now. Of those two, 30years is busy in real life, so that leaves acohrs.
If lifeline becomes a role character in GAFia 4, it will probably be Miller.
I did just argue for him as scum.
Natiko, could you link to your previous 30 arguments?
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
lol
Love to hear how you read me as scum when I just subbed in
Where's Blargonaut?
hey_monkey
Banned
Yep. I'm glad Sky brought back that thing he said about acohrs, too. That was fucking weird. A bunch of people pressed him on it. I'll see if I can find his responses.
Ya know, I have hope that by tomorrow we'd have a cascade of role madness fuckery to go through so this lynch doesn't exactly feel like it'll make or break the game to me
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=237758229
I've been on mobile for most of the game, but my reasoning is in my reads list from last night. I could show the work next time I'm on PC if needed.
Ehh, if I had to pick a scum team you may still end up as the fourth person on it but that's because I still don't have a solid scum read on four people.
For the record, I don't scum read either acorn or 30 for being inactive. It's that when they do post they blatantly don't bring anything to the table. Pretty sure they aren't the least active players (though I don't have access to the post count). Combine their purposeful coasting with a few strange moments (30's odd read on acorn, acorn's long read that was more summary than read, acorn's disappearance acts after trying to make a splash, etc.) and that's why they both sunk to the bottom.
You may want to double check that one.
hey_monkey
Banned
So I'll post all this but I will say that my gut is 30 is town like in anime. I can see the logic behind possible connections but my guess - and it's just a guess - is that 30 is just this guy, you know? And he's not like gaming or going in on shit, but just talking without thinking too hard about the implications. So I'm hesitant to say SCUM! but I also wouldn't be surprised if he was.
I'm of two minds on this. First, we have to look for little things and slips. It's our job. But sometimes those little things and slips aren't little things and slips, they're just someone being talky and not thinking about the wording.
I'm biased on this, clearly, because I think just talking and not considering my wording is part of what got me killed last game and my sympathy may only be my bias. In the interest of transparency, I'm trying to put all my thoughts out there.
Caveat aside, here's some stuff on 30.
Also I wanna nominate myself as official mafia librarian evidence puller. someone get me a tag. lol.
His "assigned" reads (with the weird acohrs comment):
his own reads:
He's questioned on acohrs:
questioned again:
later he cools on acohrs
I'm of two minds on this. First, we have to look for little things and slips. It's our job. But sometimes those little things and slips aren't little things and slips, they're just someone being talky and not thinking about the wording.
I'm biased on this, clearly, because I think just talking and not considering my wording is part of what got me killed last game and my sympathy may only be my bias. In the interest of transparency, I'm trying to put all my thoughts out there.
Caveat aside, here's some stuff on 30.
Also I wanna nominate myself as official mafia librarian evidence puller. someone get me a tag. lol.
His "assigned" reads (with the weird acohrs comment):
his own reads:
He's questioned on acohrs:
questioned again:
later he cools on acohrs
First half:
Early posting is the same for most people. Does seem willing to go with the inactive lynch plan, but ends up on WAMD at the end anyway.
Random prod happens to turn out town. Probably a coincidence but amusing nonetheless.
Informational
Null
Fluff
Burb and sawneeks convo felt more manufactured than anything.
Going against natiko a bit, and questioning my claim without committing to anything.
Still no real commitment on me.
Fighting with Darryl a bit.
Bad logic. Neutrals need to take night actions. Unless I'm a ninja, I'm almost certainly fucked by claiming ordinary.
True
Good logic.
null filler
Super into keeping me the focus of attention despite seeming to think i'm town previously? Almost seems disappointed that I'm not being attacked by more people.
She asks a lot of questions but hasn't weighed in on much herself.
More of the same. Semi-resistant to blarg's choices for reads. Want to check on his choices based on my current theory.
Null
Good post.
More back and forth with natiko. More questions. Here's the "prod" vote against 30. More to come in second post since these are too big for GAF.
Early posting is the same for most people. Does seem willing to go with the inactive lynch plan, but ends up on WAMD at the end anyway.
Random prod happens to turn out town. Probably a coincidence but amusing nonetheless.
Informational
Null
Fluff
Burb and sawneeks convo felt more manufactured than anything.
Going against natiko a bit, and questioning my claim without committing to anything.
Still no real commitment on me.
Fighting with Darryl a bit.
My issue, besides robbing a PR of a potential extra Night, is that it places you in that weird 'just uncertain enough' zone that a Non-Survivor Neutral would thrive in. Scum wouldn't kill you unless they thought you were bluffing and we have no reason to lynch you besides a weird early claim but we also have no reason to 100% trust you either. You'd be in the perfect spot to go about for a few Day Phases to fulfill a Neutral Win Con and leave.
I also don't like the whole 'hey PRs just goooo elsewhere! thanks!'. You might be being honest here but we have no way to prove that other than your word in a social game about lying.
Bad logic. Neutrals need to take night actions. Unless I'm a ninja, I'm almost certainly fucked by claiming ordinary.
True
Good logic.
null filler
Super into keeping me the focus of attention despite seeming to think i'm town previously? Almost seems disappointed that I'm not being attacked by more people.
She asks a lot of questions but hasn't weighed in on much herself.
More of the same. Semi-resistant to blarg's choices for reads. Want to check on his choices based on my current theory.
We played in Quarantine if that counts, I stole Director from you last minute.
Also I believe I posted about it earlier but I am going to be busy this game because of classes and work. I was able to skim the thread earlier today but I didn't have enough time to properly respond to everything until now.
Null
Good post.
More back and forth with natiko. More questions. Here's the "prod" vote against 30. More to come in second post since these are too big for GAF.
hey_monkey
Banned
At mod convenience, I'd like to get an updated count with post count if that's possible.
isaacnukem
Member
Hello, I'm back. With 15 pages to read. Nice.
isaacnukem
Member
Not sure how you inferred that, I voted for Palmer because he got the vanilla town thing rolling. Nice bonus that Swamped seems to have tried to save him.
isaacnukem
Member
You said I wasn't doing anything literally when I posed questions on the first day of the game.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
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blackbuzzard (1)
dr. worm 640 (1477)
skyodin 708 (791)
lifeline 1318
swamped (3)
launchpadmcq 650
lifeline 657 (748)
isaacnukem 851 (855)
isaacnukem 855
lifeline 911 (1134)
darryl 1143
lifeline 1144 (1318)
dr. worm (0)
palmer_v1 659 (778)
burbeting (0)
darryl 697 (1143)
wherearemahdragonz (0)
lifeline 748 (911)
blargonaut (0)
palmer_v1 778 (1015)
30yearsofhurt 1198 (1525)
blargonaut 1204 (1218)
palmer_v1 (0)
blargonaut 849 (1019)
isaacnukem (0)
hey_monkey 858 (910)
palmer_v1 1494 (1531)
oreomunsta (0)
blackbuzzard 872 (1071)
iaaacnukem (1)
wherearemahdragonz 885
acohrs (4)
hey_monkey 910
skyodin 1056
natiko 1225
blargonaut 1226 (1245)
swamped 1264
natiko (2)
acohrs 960
blargonaut 1245
stanleypalmtree (1)
palmer_v1 1018 (1494)
burbeting 1130
lifeline 1134 (1144)
dr.worm (1)
blackbuzzard 1071
30yearsofhate (1)
palmer_v1 1531
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blackbuzzard (1)
lifeline 1318
swamped (3)
launchpadmcq 650
isaacnukem 855
darryl 1143
dr. worm (0)
burbeting (0)
wherearemahdragonz (0)
blargonaut (0)
palmer_v1 (0)
isaacnukem (0)
oreomunsta (0)
iaaacnukem (1)
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acohrs (4)
hey_monkey 910
skyodin 1056
natiko 1225
swamped 1264
natiko (2)
acohrs 960
blargonaut 1245
stanleypalmtree (1)
burbeting 1130
dr.worm (1)
blackbuzzard 1071
30yearsofhate (1)
palmer_v1 1531
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