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NFL Draft 2017 (Apr. 27-29) |OT| The Busts of Tomorrow...Today!
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Mixon is better. I'd be disappointed drafting a guy like cook with Mixon still available, but I'd prefer King/Jones over both.
But missed out on a potential franchise QB in the process. Time will tell if it was worth it.
I bet NO and ARI were in for Mahomes too.
Giants picking Engram seems a tad early but they took an athletic/slot TE which is great to see. They can split him out wide, too.
Read all week they apparently didn't want Njoku at all.
Until he's not.
Wentz was the 3rd string, until the season started.
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DeaconKnowledge
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About halfway through the draft I knew we were taking Watt. I'm tentative on the pick - the opportunity for an All Pro guy is palpable, but he was a 1 year starter and was rddled with injury in his knees. Here's hoping he's twice the player JJ is though!
Tom Nook
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They gave up picks just to move up just 1 spot. The team before them aren't going to draft a qb....
If it's between Mixon and Cook, I want Mixon.
And all that and still no QB. Sweet!
Btw Eagles fans this is a great list of top remaining talent Eagles might target:
http://www.phillyvoice.com/the-top-12-options-for-the-eagles-in-round-two-of-the2017--nfl-draft/
I'd rather we hadn't gone for a hood ornament when we still need some wheels. Also uneasy with an undersized TE but as a pseudo Marshall replacement in two years I can live with it.
I prefer my TEs to not be 2 guard sized.
They passed on a mediocre for the "top tier" levels QB prospect with airmail accuracy issues in a weak class. The process was sound. If Wentz overachieves than so be it.
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what else would they say? Lol
I'm not upset about the pick outside of giving up 3 draft picks to get him. No one knows who is actually going to be good or bad from the draft. Still, the Niners or Browns will have to sign Jay Cutler now since neither team has a QB.
Unless they knew for sure SF had an offer ready from anorher team to move yup to take Mitch.
Well they wouldn't have traded down if they thought they were going to lose the guy they wanted.
Seems pretty obvious that their first-round-graded guys were all gone by the time they were up, and their top-2nd round guys all kept sliding.
Yeah as bad as all the trades were for QBs were, it's the only option. Take a shot and then if it fails, do it again. But CHI gave up so much
I thought the Browns actually drafted pretty well tonight. It was smart going for more proven, or at least players that you can expect to perform consistently well like Garrett, Njokic, Peppers. They would've taken a big risk going for a QB when there others they could get.
Plasticine
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Glennon starts camp as The Guy. Looks like shit, because he is shit. Mitch starts opening day.
Seriously. Mitchell is fine, I guess. Not who I wanted, but that's whatever. The amount of picks they gave up to get him is ridiculous.
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Cant believe I live in a world where the Panthers drafted Christian McCaffrey in the top 10 and the Bucs got OJ Howard at #19.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_bigplayslay23/status/857751916876632064
Darius Slay on Mitchell Trubisky
Darius Slay on Mitchell Trubisky
My issue with Mitch is who is going to coach him up? Not like John Fox is a paragon of offensive ability. Hopefully Dave Ragone is a good QB coach because it's going to be up to him to make sure Trubisky develops.
Curious if this is a long term process. Pace specifically brought up Rodgers when talking about sitting and developing.
Curious if this is a long term process. Pace specifically brought up Rodgers when talking about sitting and developing.
He won't be Shockey or Bennett blocking but I am hopeful for some creative mastery from ol' McAdoo. TE screens last year to Donnell? Now to Engram. He is a move TE and I would expect them to treat him as such. Ellison, and I presume Adams with some work, will be the in-line TE's on the field.
And yeah, partial replacement for Marshall in two years.
No pressure. None
serenewarfare
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Super happy with the results for the Saints. Lattimore falling to #11 was something I never expected but was very excited about. I was hoping Foster would fall to #32, but SF obviously knew we would take him. I'm fine with picking the top OT since Strief is due to drop from old age at any time now and Peat is better at guard. Not a very deep OL draft, so getting one of the best guys there is a good pick.
Pretty hilarious attempting to roll the Osweiler trade into an unrelated one to make it look better.
I hadn't thought about this at the time of the pick but Reese said this pick is meant to put stress on the two high safety look that the giants saw all last season by attacking the middle of the field with size and speed. When I think about it in that context it makes perfect sense. As long as Eli gets time in the pocket this is going to be a hard offense to stop, that being a big if of course.
serenewarfare
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That's a lot to trade for a guy to sit for a long time. The Aaron Rodgers pick was great because it fell to them.
FrenchMovieTheme
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We already signed 2 burrs QBs from last year, we don't need a 3rd!
Officerrob
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My round 1 impressions:
49ers did the best in my opinion.
Browns did well by not overthinking the first pick and adding talent. The front office must have a leash a mile long with that QB situation.
The Conley pick is baffling, Reggie better be right on this or it's a massive (fireable IMO) mistake. If no charges are filed, the value is very good and Reggie has balls of steel.
Every team who took a QB reached, badly
49ers did the best in my opinion.
Browns did well by not overthinking the first pick and adding talent. The front office must have a leash a mile long with that QB situation.
The Conley pick is baffling, Reggie better be right on this or it's a massive (fireable IMO) mistake. If no charges are filed, the value is very good and Reggie has balls of steel.
Every team who took a QB reached, badly
11 personnel with Engram running routes still leaves the five upfront and our bad pass blocking RBs to keep Eli upright and on his spot for longer than 2 seconds though.
And of the five upfront, who are the plus guys? Richburg assuming the injury was the problem last season? Pugh isn't a plus or minus player to me, and the rest are minuses with Flowers being such a disaster he degrades the rest by proximity.
It's the kind of offense that would destroy Madden '18 because OL play isn't that important in the game.
I'm weary. If the OL can elevate it's collective play to mediocre and not have any true disasters then I can see 2011 as the best case.
Opinions are like assholes.
serenewarfare
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Peat was pretty good once he moved to guard. Which is why this pick makes sense.
Zach Strief is playing on borrowed time. He was a concern coming into last season, but he pulled another good year out of himself. He can't do that forever. In a draft short on OL talent at the top, it's better to spend a pick on one of the best and play it out in terms of switching him from LT to RT than pass on it and pick a defensive talent in a deep defensive draft and be screwed completely if Strief goes down or plays poorly.
No OL player in this draft was going to be much of a factor this year. Lamp maybe but he's an interior guy, Bolles had gone and even he wasn't a particularly clean prospect.
Even 'can't miss' blue chip LT prospects generally don't play tackle early. Bad year to need oline help. Most if not all of the guys in this draft would have been 2nd rounders last year.
darkside31337
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If every team is reaching then is it seriously a reach? I think its a proper evaluation of the reality of the NFL, BPA and stockpiling picks is great and all but it doesn't mean anything if you don't have a QB.
I think what the Bears did is dumb value wise but I totally get what the Chiefs and Texans are doing. BOB has had success in Houston with fucking nobodies at QB and Andy knows the limitations of Alex Smith are holding them back
serenewarfare
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I don't fault the Texans because they don't need a star QB. They just need someone who's better than a dumpster fire. They have literally everything else.
McAdoo isn't much of a creative thinker. The Giants basically run a dumb downed version of McCarthy's system from GB, which when you strip out the Rodgers sandlot factor is pretty basic at the best of times.
Yeah BPA is a luxury for teams with QBs. If the Browns really wanted Mahomes, then how good are they feeling that they stuck to their draft chart, have a bunch of picks next year, and go only as far as Kessler's noodle arm takes them?
The Giants need interior players too. Pugh is up for a second contract after the season and, barring some miracle in his development, we should let him walk. Hes not worth 10m. I'd prefer to have his replacement and an additional player out of this draft. Fluker is a one year flier.
That's both starting guards. The tackles are trash.
Selecting one OL between the 15 and 16 drafts combined will lead to an inevitable shortage of sheer starter quality bodies. I mean hell we already have one.
Even with all their picks, the Browns were much more than one QB away this year, especially THIS qb class.
Next year it's likely aside from 3 NFL QB's potentially hitting free agency, that you've got 3 far better QB's (and one in Darnold who's looking like a potential generational talent) and another 5 or so guys at least on the same level as this years top QB's.
Nothing wrong in trying to put the infrastructure in place for the QB to come into
By that logic you just take whatever Olineman is top of your board regardless of how good or bad they are. It's a shit class for oline so that's a recipe for a shit draft. That's pretty inescapable, and they're ticking down on Eli's career. Engram takes away one clear issue from last year (the inability to attack the seam against C2). They've still got a chance at oline at 55, but frankly the quality is more likely to be at CB or DE. Outside of the top 3 oline guys (none of whom are very good) the rest of the class is much of a muchness. There will be some oline guys late on who'll end up with very good careers because there always are.
Same although I feel like they should sit and get a CB
Tough to swallow with Foster and Howard there but the Foster injuries must be worrying and they just didn't want Howard. I really liked Barnett tho I was hoping he'd get passed the saints. Dude had a better college career against better competition than Garrett. Assuming we get a good CB I think the defense will be terrifying
BlackGhost
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Who were the Bears afraid of trying to take Trubisky?
I'll tell you Cleveland wasn't moving up to get him. A lot of smoke on Cleveland and Mitch
I'll tell you Cleveland wasn't moving up to get him. A lot of smoke on Cleveland and Mitch
Possibly the others who traded up for QBs I guess. Who knows what went down with that trade.
Though I bet you're probably gonna sleep well tonight, huh
Reese's philosophy of favoring and arguably overgrading perimeter players is why the line is how it is now and why it began to collapse in 2011 (run game was a disaster and the tackles were awful in pass pro; Eli's season should have won MVP) and finished in 2013. There will be high quality starter OL from this draft because every draft has them regardless of the purported strength or lack thereof.
Unfortunately it's a Catch 22 because Reese's track record shows he's a rather poor evaluator of OL talent so even trusting him to make or not make OL picks is flawed because it requires trusting him to properly evaluate the players available to pick!
Taking a small fast TE/WR hybrid at 23 to attack the seams of a C2 is nice, but the primary C2 problem is numbers at the LOS owing to the 1) run game (caused by poor blocking) and 2) teams getting home with 4 rushers (same) .
We attacked a symptom. Not the disease. We may thrive despite this but we're simply delaying another reckoning upfront a la 2013.
sans_pants
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Very happy with the browns first day. I like the idea of adding as many picks as possible, take a shot on a 3rd round qb, and hope better ones are available next year with the ammo to go get them. Also putting a team in place is more important than botching another first round an pick
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