Mate. Even if Apple did create the touch ui (which I would argue), that says nothing about whether it is special NOW.
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(Reuters) Sony's Vita arrives just as market may be fading
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Mate. Even if Apple did create the touch ui (which I would argue), that says nothing about whether it is special NOW.
nelsonroyale
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Err no Reuters, in the UK it costs around £200, which is a shitload less than one of its main competitors...
Its like I said though, very, very few of your average punters buy the phones outright. Most get them on contracts. They would not be able to afford to buy it without a contract. The investiment in buying a vita or a smartphone is not exactly comparable.
Having said that, I would take a Vita over my smartphone any day of the week. They are cool gadgets, but as of yet dont excite me much at all.
Can you provide any evidence over the past 20 years where ANY product Apple produced from a hardware point of view was market leading in terms of performance.
It's not how Apple work, they always pick mid level hardware and try to find an edge and build value through aesthetic or software design/gimmicks. (Video chat (Facetime.)!? and what ever the next to useless voice recognition software is they have now for instance.
There's no two ways about it Tablet/Phone gaming is shit. GTA3 on my Galaxy S2 is shit, it was better on my PSP.
Angry Birds is shit, people download it because its free, but its shit.
Thanks for dodging the the point repeatedly. It's impossible to argue with someone like you I'm afraid. But I guess that's what fandom is all about.
And yeah GTA3 is not a game suited for mobiles. But maybe you should try FFTactics and Ghost Trick for ports and Hero Academy for original games. Those seem to gather love from the hardcore GAF folks.
I was only referring to the post I quoted, which had nothing to do with hardware. Only the UI, which you made some dramatic statements about, and which was not really relevant to the state of the hardware.
Edit: Never mind, we are getting pretty off topic here.
Yup, this is exactly the sort of post I expected to find in this topic.
Guess what: your preferences aren't universal.
How much does it kill you to learn that Angry Birds Seasons was the best selling PC game in Finland last week?
Never existed. Editorialising is what started news reporting.
Just to add to the preferences talk I played more GTA3 on my Galaxy S2 then on my PC and Xbox. And while not perfect it's pretty damn fun.
The general talk was about Apples success, and their OS has been one of the biggest reasons why these devices have sold so well. You can't separate hardware and software when looking at the big picture.
Yeah, maybe so but if you are the type of gamer that gets full satisfaction from the likes of Angry Birds and the vast amount of cut down games on the Appstores then I would agree that maybe the Vita is not for you. I will not argue that for a second.
I will also argue that any console owner who owns a smartphone would find the two gaming experiences incomparable, which is not the case with the Vita.
The question really should be, "are there enough casual to hardcore gamers out there to sustain the Vita?" I think there is.
Sonys not going after the Angry Birds crowd, the phones can keep them, they are going after the guys and gals who have been gaming for years and are looking for the next new thing.
As always it's going to come down to software. The Vita's other problem is it's future isn't very well mapped out at all, what is on the horizon is months away and there isn't much of it. Even with the 3DS there was a lot announced and shown before it even launched, so if you dived in you knew what was coming. And obviously when that second-wave hit combined with the price-cut it took off.
Sony needs a very strong E3 for Vita, and stop any publishers wobbling in the meantime with titles that are in development. Higher development costs and longer development times mean Vita has to get its foothold quickly to justify ongoing development.
That's the key thing really, and quite tricky for Sony to balance. Especially when Nintendo's strategy is quite clear, to avoid the problem of smartphones by cannibalising the whole (DS+PSP) handheld market.
Which can be its selling point and its downfall.
Personally I want portable games to be different than the traditional console games. Something on Vita being "similar to its console brother" is not an absolute good thing for me.
You completely underestimate the software that is now available for smartphones. Completely and utterly. I'm not going to bother with list wars but if you think smartphone gaming starts and ends with Angry Birds, you're wrong.
You also fail to realise that some people are just happy with 'games'. I play smartphone games, handheld games, console games and PC games. Different games for different times, different games for different moods.
TBH, I've no idea why I'm trying to point out your ignorance on this, there are thousands more where you came from and we'll do it all over again in the next topic.
Isn't the full Resident Evil 4 game on smartphones now? My friend was browsing through games on his iPhone, I saw it and nearly shit myself.
Maybe it was RE: Degeneration? It was a game based on the CG film of the same name.
Game isn't that good, but it's the qualities of the game, not the platform.
Nah, it's a horrifying thing crowbarred on to the iPhone with no regards to the strengths of the device. Sadly, there's plenty of those around and they seem to be the first thing that casual browsers notice.
I did read the other day that Edge has only given two 9's this year, both to iOS games. Not sure if that's true though.
Hmmm... I just looked it up and it is Resident Evil 4, but an abridged version. The controls are apparently an improvement over Degeneration! Looks pretty decent.
That sucks. The video I watched made the game look rather barren. And to think that for some that will be their only experience with RE4...
perfectnight
Banned
My guess is that sony will pull out of the handheld market after the Vita and Nintendo sells its IPs on the app store to scrape by. There is just not a chance they can compete with phones in the long run. We will be seeing mario and zelda on the app store for free(maybe adopting the f2p model) or at very low competitive prices.
Sidewinder
Member
What a moran, I'm sure PS4 will sell like crazy at 99$ too when it'll launch next year with 8 core cpu, radeon 7000 something and 4gigs of ram. Oh and iPad 3 would sell even more at 99$ too!!!11
Yeah, Vita needs more unique things like Gravity Daze, and things that suit a portable platform really well like Super Stardust.
The whole targeting the 20something male PS3 owner is dangerous, especially with Vita pushing the high-production value/experience side. Even more so when the costs of development mean Vita versions will be developed alongside the console versions and released in the same window. A lot of people will go for the bigger experience of the console ones, and the impact of the Vita versions is muted.
Resident Evil on 3DS is really well done, and rejigged nicely for portable play, but it was helped a lot by it being a long time since the last proper RE game. If you wanted a fix that's where you got it.
For Vita to succeed long-term, ignoring price and everything else, it needs to have its own identity.
Cygnus X-1
Member
How is selling 3DS in EU and USA right now?
Actually, more copies of both sell than you might expect. I don't play it, but if I *did*, I'd seriously consider the Wii version because of aiming differences.
This is...
Wow.
Just wondering, how closely do you follow the (non iOS) portable space?
Very well as of the last numbers we got. Similar to how it's performing in Japan, actually. That's why no one wants to mention Nintendo in these doom and gloom articles anymore. It would kill any "dedicated handhelds are on the way out" narrative they were trying to construct.
Put down the joint.
Castor Krieg
Banned
I think you need to look at the hordes invading Apple stores everyday. Fact: majority of people will buy a brand new iPhone for 500GBP, while at the same time having problem paying off their credit or bills.
Sure, because the most selling games on PSP were not GTA games, right? I understand MH can also be played in short bursts, lol. I agree btw - both titles you mentioned are unique and great on Vita. I'm only saying we need to let "portable games on portables" argument die.
At this point when trying to sell to early adopters it is perfectly reasonable marketing strategy. The only thing they suck at is timing and content of the ads.
Kinda like 3DS has the identity of EVERY SINGLE Nintendo handheld? Zelda? Check. Mario? Check. Pokemon? Check soon.
perfectnight
Banned
? I guess about as much as any other gamer.
But yeah, there's a huge gulf between your beliefs and the reality of the situation. You're on GAF, man. Educate yourself! Not trying to be rude. There's a lot of misinformation out there. Maybe you just didn't know and that's cool.
perfectnight
Banned
The reality is that phones are capturing an audience that no handheld is history has been able to. I think you're kind of delusional if you think that the dedicated handheld market and the phone market are separate and that one isn't affecting the other. It's only a matter of time before Sony and Nintendo can't compete with the rapidly advancing tech of the smartphone industry. Nintendo could make much more money by putting their IPs out on the app market.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Confirmed: Nintendo hates money, you would to way better job than Iwata. Why don't you apply for a position at Nintendo?
Just one thing bothers me: 3DS is still selling like bananas. Actually, the more time passes, the 3DS is selling better!!!
Maybe in your fantasy world, no one I know with an iPhone has ever bought it off contract.
You seem to be trying to equate people who like Apple stuff as stupid again
But you left out the RE point
No problem with console titles on portables, but they have to be distinctive and not have the console versions working against them. That's why Uncharted is nowhere in the realm of killer-app or system-seller and more show off the hardware territory. Which is also why GTA didn't shift systems to the extent it should either.
It sounds more like overall strategy to me. We want a percent of this percent, and you do that better when not offering them exactly what they already have.
Ah, that old chestnut and you make it sound like having Pokemon of all things unique to it is a bad thing?!
Also maybe you missed it, but the 3DS is on a very different path because it's cannibalising the PSP market and its franchises as well as playing to Nintendo's usual strengths.
Nintendo's strategy is clear, it was clear from the initial 3DS announcement, Sony's much less so at the moment which they need to address at E3.
Again: So long as what mobile gaming offers is not identical or heavily similar to what Sony and Nintendo offers, there is room for both. People who advocate this line of thinking completely discount the importance of differentiation between products or product lines, when it is a massively important driver for success and profit.
Nintendo has brought in revenues of over 1.2 billion off of NSMB Wii alone. How many copies would Nintendo have to sell on the app market in order to get that sort of revenue? Or how about Wii Fit, a game utterly impossible on the app market? They generated over 2 billion from that one.
So long as Nintendo sells its IPs on its own systems, it can demand a premium for them. If it sold them elsewhere, they wouldn't be able to.
It's all based on the guise of the handhelds in the 8th generation of video game hardware not doing well, which if you've looked at the 3DS and in this case the Vita, it would have more to do with what the platforms were/are doing wrong, and less of an external reason (phones).
Think about it. The doom and gloom horseshit about the 3DS was all risen on the claim phones were killing it, and now it's doing well. What a surprise that these calls of destruction are gone, but not a single one of them corrected their claims from phones killing it to a lack of 3DS software and an arguably high cost at $250.
I promise you, if/when Vita starts booming, none of these sites claiming doom will admit its weaknesses came from the Vita and not from an external thing.
Cygnus X-1
Member
You don't know what you're talking about. It's Nintendo: they will rather stop developing handheld games rather than making cheap games for App store.
That's Sony. They didn't start the hype train for NA until at least a week ago, from what I've seen.
I really think everything with Vita points to what was meant to be a worldwide launch for Christmas.
That's the reason for such a large launch line-up, and a more Western orientated one. They obviously couldn't meet the production for it or something, and had to go for just one of the markets first. Choosing Japan because of the PSP's strength, but that has actually worked against them as well as the line-up.
Once they missed Christmas in the West you've had a very half-arsed marketing campaign because they know it's a tough-sell at this price at this time of the year and are just preaching to the choir really. Sony are in grin and bear it mode.
Short term revenue vs long term benefits, look it up.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Nintendo strategy changed dramatically - going from 250$ to 169$, almost dropping 3D feature, increase advertisement of 2D games, etc. 3DS is selling because of no competition for a year + price drop + Mario games.
Once Vita gets a price drop and better games it will start selling as well. Now give me E3 and Type-0 announcement.