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Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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Well Frieza did cause quite a stir, in the end it helped that Frieza was once a main villain. I guess in the end it was easier to swallow him coming back into that role and becoming top dog again while 17 got quickly overshadowed by Cell, he stopped being a major player almost as soon as he was introduced.
Ehhh, I'd say that Freeza's problem was arrogance rather than laziness. He didn't feel like he had the need to show any effort to kill his opponents so he doesn't bother. If memory serves though, the manga did note that he wasn't used to controlling his full power when he fought Goku, so it did make sense that he'd be more powerful with training.
I think his temper is a big change between the manga Freeza and the movie one. He was never impatient before. His whole gimmick was that he acted like a businessman, with all the faux politeness and such. He doesn't immediately execute his henchmen for failing, he humours the people he's going to kill for a bit, he doesn't show his anger until the Dragonballs become useless, and even after that he slowly toys with his opponents and holds back to mess with them. Plus he tolerates the Ginyu Force's nonsense because they do good work. I can understand his personality changing when he was killed twice and then spent time in Hell, but I still noticed a difference.
In order to please the fans they went out of their way to say O Frieza never trained now he has so he caught up to all your hard work in mere months. All the emotional turmoil, the struggle, the saiyans he wiped out because he were afraid of them(why was he afraid just train ��
On top of that fast forward to the next arc freeza comes back,trunks easily takes him out you would think that's a point to say freeza you aren't a threat to us we're pass that.
His power up , his comeback was way worse than 17 coming back easily
Did you think Frieza was the type of person to train even before the movie told you? What made you think Frieza had any worth ethic? And why train when he can just nuke the problem before it even starts?
Just because Frieza was caught off-guard by some kid from the future doesn't mean he wasn't a threat. Remember, the Super Saiyan was still considered 'the legendary transformation' at the time.
It is only worse if you don't understand Frieza's character. He is a lazy, spoiled mutant who never had to work a day in his life and solved all his problem by killing everything instead of improving himself.
It was mixed of arrogant and laziness. He was arrogant of his power and too lazy to train just in case someone could be stronger than him like he feared. And yeah, he wasn't used to using his full power. In fact, he admitted to never needing to go beyond his second form to destroy threats.
He became impatient after losing to Goku on Namek. This is the same person who rushed to Earth the moment he was off the operating table after being turned into a cyborg.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I just don't see how frieza can get some justification for it but somehow 17 is the questionable one. When they're both bs
Nostalgia for Frieza > 17 is what it really boils down to.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Essentially that was my guess. That was the entire point of that movie after all
Yeah and when he got jumped by Trunks, he also brought his father - who is suppose to be even more powerful than him at the time. From what Freiza knew, they were more than enough to take on Goku.
In order to please the fans they went out of their way to say O Frieza never trained now he has so he caught up to all your hard work in mere months. All the emotional turmoil, the struggle, the saiyans he wiped out because he were afraid of them(why was he afraid just train 😒
On top of that fast forward to the next arc freeza comes back,trunks easily takes him out you would think that's a point to say freeza you aren't a threat to us we're pass that.
His power up , his comeback was way worse than 17 coming back easily
But Trunks is a Saiyan so it's ok
17 also didn't have the kick ass soundtrack
RoF all around might have been disappointing, but it put Goku and Frieza in movie theater screens for thousands of fans. It's easy to see why it's looked past.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yup and it's totally fine. Just funny to see ppl now get upset at trunks with his fairy tail sword or krillin or gohan or 17 and every other universe 7 member that's 100% about to be portrayed to be stronger than they probably should be.
Was set in motion long ago
Icyflamez96
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Commentary like that is usually incredibly dumb as it takes all the nuance out of the situation. That is no exception.
Can someone remind me how roshi is going to be participating? The last time we saw him fight wasnt he just barely stronger than Chichi or whatever? Wasnt he weaker than Tau?
Blackleg-sanji1
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He was just out there fighting freeza goons so be prepared. We shouldn't have a several page debate lol Everyone is about to get a boost
As someone who watched Fairy Tail, what are you talking about? Future Trunks's sword was nothing like that show.
And only 17 have been shown to be outstandingly strong.
Blackleg-sanji1
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It was a friendship powerup hence the fairy tail joke..jesus
One does not simply get on par with brolyOn par with Broly.
While we're on the subject. The other thing about Freeza in Resurrection F is that he's just a much simpler fighter. On Namek, Freeza's moveset was pretty varied, including some weird shit. Telepathically throwing boulders, trapping Goku in a ki bubble, the Death Saucer, plus all the normal ki beams and balls and stuff. Eating a crab isn't canon so I won't count that.
His retirement in the manga was during a fairly even fight with Tenshinhan, although he claimed he'd lose if he hadn't forfeited. Tenshinhan was a lot stronger than Mercenary Tao at that point. Dunno about Chichi since she wasn't in that tournament.
Then he was defeating Freeza's soldiers in Resurrection F, so who knows what happened. At least he's back.
His retirement in the manga was during a fairly even fight with Tenshinhan, although he claimed he'd lose if he hadn't forfeited. Tenshinhan was a lot stronger than Mercenary Tao at that point. Dunno about Chichi since she wasn't in that tournament.
Then he was defeating Freeza's soldiers in Resurrection F, so who knows what happened. At least he's back.
Probably the same way as Krillin: causally ramping up his power level so that he can go toe to toe with the fodder level of the tournament and then win by his 'strategy.'
The question that we should be asking is what's the use of strategy when every other universes are going to gang up on you because Goku painted a juicy target mark on your chest. Gohan/Krillin/Roshi better be brushing up on their Sun Tzu because they're going to be vastly outnumbered and out-powered while fighting in space, on plain ground.
The one thing that does bother me is a lot of the stuff that doesn't make sense could have been easily explained.
Have Goku teach Trunks the Genkai Dama, but Trunks could never get it right.
Use the Fucking Kaioken during a Kamehameha struggle against a fused god, instead of 4 seconds later to get a kick in.
Put Vegito in a portal using your scythe for 45 minutes, to waste 45 minutes of the fusion.
Have Goku teach Trunks the Genkai Dama, but Trunks could never get it right.
Use the Fucking Kaioken during a Kamehameha struggle against a fused god, instead of 4 seconds later to get a kick in.
Put Vegito in a portal using your scythe for 45 minutes, to waste 45 minutes of the fusion.
You make a good argumentOn par with Broly.
But it wasn't the power of friendship, hence why the joke doesn't work. You do better comparing it to Sailor Moon, which uses the power of the moon and Earth to kill most major enemies.
Frieza is only creative when he's winning. Even on Namek, when he starts to lose he just uses beam spams and energy attacks.
While everybody is busy on Goku you attack and surprise them
Blackleg-sanji1
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Goku should get knocked out first would be soooo satisfying
After we get the fight with Jiren but i can see goku getting knocked ou and either Krillin and Gohan being last man standing or hr helping them win. Roshi if they want to be funny
Then Goku better be busting out that new super duper god saiyan tranformation because he's going to have to hold his own against 60-70 fighters while Krillin Destructo Discs them.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I expect Roshi to trap the mustache guy in a pot and then get knocked out.
On par with Broly.
When I was a kid, I was so hyped that he was gonna fight Broly.
Weren't his last-ditch strategies
1. blowing up the planet so that his opponent dies of suffocation
2. throwing homing discs that cut his opponent in half
? Seems like it's still more creative than most.
TheSpoiler
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I feel like that would make everyone happy. Like, even right now, if they said "Oh 17 trained THIS way" I'd be like "that's bullshit but I believe it". Frieza was stupid, but at the very least, there was a straight explanation forced into the plot.
17 and Trunks are the things most wack because they don't come with a decent explanation, and that's why you get people bitter about the show.
I know someone mentioned that DB fans are never happy, but it really wouldn't hurt them to put a few throwaway lines instead of leaving it up to guesswork. Hell, that'd open the show up for some cool shit, seeing 17 train in a flashback and learning more about his powers. Same thing with Frieza (who got that for all of like three seconds but whatever(.
Think I'm going to watch the Broly movie again, I don't remember the Roshi stuff at all.
Frieza did the blowing up the planet trick on Vegeta and was much more successful at it.
Goku call the discs a stupid noob technique.
Episode 88 image: https://twitter.com/ErrenVanDuine/status/855292301681111041
What's he holding?
Undead Fantasy
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Is there a bigger image?
Nope. These are just thumbnails sourced from the FujiTV website.
Undead Fantasy
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Bummer.
I really hope Piccolo get's something in this episode. If only Gohan does I'll be very disappointed.
Goten got even smaller apparently.
flaxknuckles
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looks like a gray penis
Senzu bean bag. They're going to train until they get near-death then recover and do this shit hardcore motherfucker.
AWWWW YEAHHHHHHH ZENKAI BOOST TRAINING
I'm surprised that has never been brought up in the show before. Ever since they introduced Zenkai Boost, it always seemed like the most effective way to train. Sure, it's convenient as fuck, but at least it's a clever way of using that dumb excuse for power ups.
fuck no, super 17 is the low point of all dragonball
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