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PC Gamers Assemble, Let's Demand PC Ports From Sega!
- Thread starter Grief.exe
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Seriously, what honestly makes you believe that Sega will bring a PC port of Yakuza 5 to the west, when they couldnt even be bothered to port the PS3 version over? I would really like to hear your reasoning for this.
Maybe that happened because 95% of 3D PC games let you set the resolution without any sort of arbitrary lock.
dr_rus
Member
Well even this is better than no PC version at all. PC community can fix a lot if the game is good.
Doesn't really matter as the game sells a lot anyway, and they'll learn from this and do a better job next time.
I can deal with developers first PC ports being a bit of a learning experience for them.
Revengeance isn't even that bad a port, it's basically nothing they couldn't fix with a patch or two.
Sentenza
Member
Can't say I would give a damn, quite honestly.
*OR* -and I know it may sound crazy- they could also not screw things up and make a good job, not putting arbitrary restrictions for the sake of it.
ambientmystic
Member
Rofl, it's not our fault that we have higher standards than the average console only gamer. Something as simple as native resolution support at the very least should be a given in every 3D PC game/port, that's not even up for debate.
On topic, I agree with the posters saying Catherine would be a great fit for the PC, but in general, I'd be in favour of all and any ports.
How many Japanese developers have actually done this with their PC ports?
Sentenza
Member
Capcom and Square Enix (especially on the EIDOS side), quite consistently.
Or, you know, they could just make a decent port. It's not that hard, comparatively miniscule companies manage to do it. I mean, look at Ghostlight -- they outsourced a port (Agarest) to what is essentially a (western) cellphone game company and it had all the features you'd expect.
If Japanese companies truly are incapable of that (something I still refuse to believe) then by all means, outsource it to some cheap eastern European software company. They'll do a good job.
TC McQueen
Member
To be honest, I wonder if this is Japan's "well, we'd rather make no money from the west" attitude kicking in. It honestly feels like a lot of the PC ports we're getting are grudging admissions by executives that the platform is actually popular outside of Japan, so the publishers do the bare minimum possible.
That or they're being ridiculously stubborn and insisting they do everything in house, even though they lack the experience and knowledge of western expectations to do it properly.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Sounds like a fantastic idea. I'm in.
Supporting all resolutions is one of the most basic graphics features that PC games should have, and in the case of MGR:R, the weird way it detects resolutions seems to even be causing some issues to some users (like, detecting a low refresh rate like 50Hz or 24Hz, resulting in the game being locked at 50 fps or 24 fps).
Some users are way too negative with their posts, but it's kinda natural due to how many publishers/developers don't listen to their customers and don't release patches to fix issues.
Related to this topic, when it comes to recent SEGA PC ports, there have been bad ports and decent ports, so who knows how will be the quality of future PC ports...
I might as well make a list of studios that have handled PC ports of SEGA games in recent years (using quote tags to separate each studio):
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Sonic Generations has some weird slowdowns that luckily are very rare (eg chemical zone).
Binary Domain, when there are a lot of explosions and shit with many particles there were frame drops on my system. Again, pretty rare, and people with fast enough hardware won't be affected probably but it does seem like the game is a bit heavier than your average non-enhanced port.
The Typing of the Dead renders to 720p only and then upscales. A patch was released that allows you to set to some options to render at the resolution you want but you have to disable postprocessing so it's not quite ideal.
Binary Domain, when there are a lot of explosions and shit with many particles there were frame drops on my system. Again, pretty rare, and people with fast enough hardware won't be affected probably but it does seem like the game is a bit heavier than your average non-enhanced port.
The Typing of the Dead renders to 720p only and then upscales. A patch was released that allows you to set to some options to render at the resolution you want but you have to disable postprocessing so it's not quite ideal.
HolyBaikal
Banned
I wonder if it's still possible to get Blazblue on Steam. That would be really nice. It's one of my favourite fighting games.
Sega community manager responded and said they passed around word to the appropriate people after the Twitter campaign.
He also recomended a petetion as that will directly show demand to the Sega executives. I'll be putting up a petition on Monday. I was going to try to get one up this week, but I've been busy and Metal Gear Rising came out yesterday.
I said this in another thread, but why don't they recruit help from western studios/devs that have previously worked with the publisher? Send a team out to help them get that last 5-10% of the port done right and help teach the Japanese devs a bit. I know the games industry can be strange, but a move like that seems like a no-brainer from my perspective.
Awesome, I'll be sure to sign once it's up. Hopefully we can get 100k+ signatures
Language barrier would be my guess.
Its hard to just throw people onto a project last minute with an engine they had never seen before. Would be better off hiring from a consultant from a Japanese studio with experience.
oh yeah duh, language barrier. I guess that really narrows down who you could send over.
I'd rather get Guilty Gear Xrd. Hell, that's just on Unreal engine 3.
Or just recruit Durante?
Yeah, that's great there's awareness of it within Sega. This is probably the best time to do it as well, because they'll have visibility of the popularity of these sorts of games with MGR having just come out.
Tizoc
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BB CP and GG Xrd on Steam...HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Who do we have to kill to get Gunstar Heroes on Steam with co-op, badges and achievements?
Hopes? That is what this whole thread is about no? What makes anyone think Sega will port over Valkyria Chronicles? I don't think they will, I'd be happy if they did though.
Tizoc
Member
Who do we have to kill to get Gunstar Heroes on Steam with co-op, badges and achievements?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/71117/?snr=1_7_15__13
How about a Christian Whitebread or M2 port update with the things you listed.
I believe Binary Domain uses the same engine as Yakuza doesn't it? That would mean it's possible to get Y3 onwards on PC/Steam.
Thing is assuming SEGA would decide to do that is how would they start off?
I personally would get Y1+2 on Steam day fucking 1, but that's mainly because I haven't played them before and because I'm a big Yakuza fan.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Are you referring to previously completed ports, such as Jet Set Radio?
Or some of the ones referenced in this thread that don't have ports yet, such as Bayonetta, Vanquish, or Valkyria Chronicles?
The Cowboy
Member
Or the port will be great and the game simply won't sell well, look at Sonic & Sega All Star Racing Transformed as an example.
It was a fantastic port, it runs on very old hardware, it was well supported (as someone else mentioned, the devs even spent time making a new rendering method for even older cards post release), it released at half the console price + had a 10% discount on top of that for pre-orders (in fact you could get it for about £15 at release via GMG), it had/has great online modes and loads to do elsewhere (the world tour mode is fantastic).
And despite this at release (and for some time after this) it sold badly (it never broke 1000 players average and it went under 100 players average very quickly), it took 2 free weekends and multiple 75% off sales and even a charity tie in in order to actually get just an OK player count.
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When it comes to getting more posts, it really helps to buy the games they've already ported (more so for the games that got a really good port).
Same here, I got the impression the game did well. Hell, I also doubt they'd have kept releasing DLC/updates for it if it had tanked.
Word of mouth of that game's quality sold that game, and it even ended up on the SteamGAF GOTY list in the top 5.
You have to admit, a cart racing game is not the best for the PC demographic, but it ended up selling quite well.
A large percentage of my friends list owns Sonic Racing Transformed, about 30%.
For example, Counter-Strike: GO has about 31% and Civilization V 40% and these are two of the top played games on Steam.
It also seems to peak at around 6,000 concurrent players during Steam sales. Then quickly trails off over a couple weeks, which would seem pretty standard due to the nature of that particular game.
Keep in mind concurrent means there are 6,000 players playing literally that second, sometimes people have difficulty grasping that definition, but the amount of unique players for that day is probably nearing the hundred thousand mark.
The Cowboy
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I never really labelled it a failure, but I wouldn't have called it a success either - I would label it as doing just "OK", I said the game at release didn't sell well (this is based on player the stats at the time - they weren't exactly great) and it didn't pick up reasonable numbers until multiple free weekends, multiple 75% off sales and a charity tie in happened.
Stating that "lots of friends own it" now doesn't mean anything really (as the sales have already happened), the game seemed to have sold most of its copies on PC during the huge discount sales (which is a dam shame as it deserved a lot more sales at its default price of £20).
http://steamcharts.com/app/212480#All
This is the stats for the game since release, you can clearly see when the sales and free weekends happened (look at the peak players for the 1st few months - it didn't even break 1000 peak).
Again, this type of game doesn't really speak to the PC demographic. It took word of mouth on the quality of the game and the port to spread in order to generate sales.
Something like that takes time.
Doesn't matter what the price is, the game is still generating a significant amount of revenue.
I really dislike this argument, its a perception problem that just doesn't hold up in reality.
Playing MGR just makes me want a port of Bayonetta 2 all the more.
Chubigans also goes in detail about the actual monetary values and the effect the sale had on the post-sale numbers in the actual article.
To add to that, "Cook, Serve, Delicious!" sold 20K in the 8 hours it was on the flash sale (75% off), yet the maximum concurrent players peak of the game is a "mere" 1,443, which represents under 10% of the sold copies just in that period of time (even less if you count life-time-sales).
Chubigans also goes in detail about the actual monetary values and the effect the sale had on the post-sale numbers in the actual article.
I pointed them out for both reasons, I posted them as issues, but also posted them as reasons for framerate caps. I'm aware that in situations like that, where the game slows down/speeds up depending on framerate, not much could have been done.
Oh god a Christian Whitehead version of Gunstar Heroes would be AMAZING. Now you've implanted that idea in my head, I hate you.
It is not really worth mentioning that as an example, we all know that Q-Games would have gotten more revenue if they ported it to PS4 and charged $5 for it.
It can't be used as an example because we all know what the result will be of a hypothetical situation you've just invented?
Previously complete ports obviously.
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We can expect both more ports to PC, and more ports to consoles (to the PS4 anyway, such as indies). The move to x86 is win-win for all!
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