leesmapman
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Level 5 just shot itself in the foot etc.
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Ni no Kuni II spotted in Amazon.es for the Xbox One.
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Kenzodielocke
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It was kinda funny to see the DBFZ marketing with Xbox One, yet the Beta or whatever was on PS4 only, iirc ?
Primethius
Banned
There was that whole time with the "I believe in Phil Spencer" nonsense. It doesn't surprise me.
Lime Blockade
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No the beta was also on the Xbox One, but you had to be an Xbox Insider to sign up for it.
MosquitoSmasher
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Very true man. I guess time will tell if we're gonna be seeing more Japanese games. As farfetched as it may seem but i'd love to see Dragon Quest on Xbox as well. Never say never i guess. After all Sword Art Online is coming to Xbox now too. Isn't that a first?
Well the only evidence that fits this description would be the Dragonball FighterZ world debut on the Xbox E3 conference, which isn't saying much because Namco's anime license games come out on Xbox anyway if they're generally western friendly like Naruto.
Colbert
Banned
Yeah, just silly, isn't it?
LukasTaves
Member
I doubt. At least not any close to the PS4 launch. It's pretty clear many of these games are money hatted by Sony to skip Xbox.
That happens with every smaller or Japanese game for some reason. "Why are they bothering with Xbox" etc. like unless your a shareholder of that company who cares. Yet we have this every time. Console wars
CalamityPixel
Member
Level 5 just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Ni No Kuni II for either system, nor will they purchase any of Level 5's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Level 5 has alienated an entire market with this move.
Level 5, publicly apologize and cancel Ni No Kuni II for the Xbone or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Ni No Kuni II for either system, nor will they purchase any of Level 5's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Level 5 has alienated an entire market with this move.
Level 5, publicly apologize and cancel Ni No Kuni II for the Xbone or you can kiss your business goodbye.
...or Level 5 was burned by MS all the way back on OG Xbox and hasnt made a single game for their platforms as a result.
Same thing that is likely to happen with Platinum now
Moon Presence
Member
Always laugh
MosquitoSmasher
Member
You ARE joking with this though, am I right? And Jesus man, calm down. It's very likely not even true, sadly not. He's definitely joking here.
Come on. This is dumb.
But why, Sony? I mean, this is essentially money hatting? Where is the outrage? Ah, yes, RPG don't sell on Xbox so why even bother. But then again, why is there a deal with Sony?
Family Fry
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No matter how many times I see this it never gets tired, a classic.
Would be nice to see it on Xbox, although I own a PS4/Switch. Xbox as a platform for Japanese developers/publisher is just not going to happen no matter how many people Uncle Phil goes to visit. Xbox One is a disaster for that region, least 360 sold some and had amazing Cave/shmup support.
Kenzodielocke
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Never gets old!
InsaneTiger
Member
Yes.
We don't know the terms of the agreement so it would be foolish to be 'outraged'.
MosquitoSmasher
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Hardvlade
Member
😂 classic
On topic, Id love for it to make it to Xbox. Even though Id have to go back and finish the first game, got my PS3 copy still around somewhere.
we don't know most of the xbox agreements as well but that never stopped gaf from being outraged before
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Dont need to moneyhat when these games don't sell on Xbox.
Salty Rice
Member
I saw once Mario listed for PS4.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Mass Effect
Member
I mean it's possible that maybe when Spencer went to Japan, getting NNK2 could have been part of the discussions with Namco. IF this is true, it's possible that Microsoft agreed to foot the bill for a port and/or provided other incentives to Namco (much lower license fees for their games?).
But again, that's assuming this is true and not just a mistake.
"pretty clear"
*has no evidence*
Then why the agreement?
LukasTaves
Member
On their own perhaps not. But a developer usually let go of the right to chose the platforms after signing with a publisher.
And, at least from the information given back then it was Level 5 that was in the wrong, so there may be a burned bridge, but we don't know how it went with Platinum or how it was handled. To say either way.
Also, there's a quote in this very thread with a guy that allegedly spoke to a producer.
Except for all the games that launch and do sell, but they don't count for whatever reason.
We just had a release where gaf was sure it was going to bomb on Xbox and turned out to outsold pretty much every other indie niche title released on PS4, so excuse me if I don't believe when people say unreleased games wouldn't sell anyway.
There are tons of evidence if you are not ignoring it.
- Shenmue 3, Shu himself said it their only involvement was a marketing deal so they could have the E3 of dreams PR.
- Nioh launching on Steam 6 months after ps4.
- Nier talking about releasing on Xbox and then nopping out of it.
- There were talks from very reliable sources that Sony was close to nabbing FFXV as an exclusive. Phil also specifically called out that game as one of his gets,so there's strong evidence that for some games Ms was willing to go into a warchest to make they come to Xbox.
- Allegedly a producer of the very game in question outright saying they have a deal with Sony. Which if true us already enough evidence to back others because I doubt Sony would moneyhat just a single game and be done with it.
All the while what's really lacking is evidence that Japanese games wouldn't sell on Xbox. Because people that say it won't simply ignore all the games that released and were successful (I'd dare say the ratio of successful/failed JP games on xbone is likely tremendously high)
MosquitoSmasher
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I decided to look it up on Google and found this
https://www.gamepur.com/news/21421-...e-debut-means-it-may-come-other-consoles.html
Shu at the time said it was a console debut, meaning it will come to other systems later. But i'm guessing the other system is simlply PC. To be honest i can see them making a version for Switch....but Xbox One? Very doubtful. Hope it gets cleared up soon. Would be fantastic if it does happen and i'd say we should thank Phil for this. He's well aware that these games won't do big numbers but he still bothers with them and tries to get them.
We'll see.
Which game is this LukasTaves?
https://www.gamepur.com/news/21421-...e-debut-means-it-may-come-other-consoles.html
Shu at the time said it was a console debut, meaning it will come to other systems later. But i'm guessing the other system is simlply PC. To be honest i can see them making a version for Switch....but Xbox One? Very doubtful. Hope it gets cleared up soon. Would be fantastic if it does happen and i'd say we should thank Phil for this. He's well aware that these games won't do big numbers but he still bothers with them and tries to get them.
We'll see.
Which game is this LukasTaves?
We know MS specifically paid for TR to be late to PS, as far as I know that's the only big outrage and it was deserved.
Infernostew
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Did the same with Dead Rising 4 but no one cared.
BlackBuzzard
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Oh i didn't know we started believing xbox fanboys on reddit now i didn't get that memo, my apologies.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Learn your shit before you infactually comment. DR4 wouldn't exist without Microsoft's involvement, and this was confirmed by Capcom themselves. Same thing with Case Zero and Case West. The franchise is practically dead.
Infernostew
Member
Dead Rising 3, I agree. 4 was always gonna happen.
Just like SFV and yet capcom looked for support anyway
Where is the outrage for Resident Evil 7 VR? Or Batman VR? Is this not deserved?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Or the guy was genuine and he really spoke to a Bamco dude. Come on man, it's not only about being a fanboy.